Ukraine the bad guy?

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gb9

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Your concept of history is long on rhetoric and short on facts. Never mind, you are entitled to your opinions. By the way, Putin has not invaded a NATO country. He dares not. That's why nations are clamouring to join. Take a look at the countries that Putin has attacked since taking control of Russia. I'd like to see the Russian federation collapse and Putin's ambitions be permanently crushed.
so, the s.m.a.r.t. treaty that wasn signed on july 31, 1991 between bush sr. and gorbachev does not exist???
 
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so, the s.m.a.r.t. treaty that wasn signed on july 31, 1991 between bush sr. and gorbachev does not exist???
The only problem with this Russian talking point is you know, Ukraine isn't even part of NATO. Also the USA actually never agreed to not expand NATO in any official document that I know of. The claim with Bush is he was of that attitude and may or may not have told Gorbachev this, but nevertheless, nothing signed nor agreed to. Which frankly is even a moot point because the USA can't even unilaterally make the decision to restrict, kick out, or add anyone to NATO since NATO has their own rules and process for membership that takes all the countries in it to vote on it.
 

gb9

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The only problem with this Russian talking point is you know, Ukraine isn't even part of NATO. Also the USA actually never agreed to not expand NATO in any official document that I know of. The claim with Bush is he was of that attitude and may or may not have told Gorbachev this, but nevertheless, nothing signed nor agreed to. Which frankly is even a moot point because the USA can't even unilaterally make the decision to restrict, kick out, or add anyone to NATO since NATO has their own rules and process for membership that takes all the countries in it to vote on it.
it was a word of mouth agreement.

agreements are agreements, written or not.
 
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it was a word of mouth agreement.

agreements are agreements, written or not.
It's word of mouth agreement that Putin's Mouth of Sauron says occured only now 30 years after it supposedly was said and happened and both President Bush Sr. and Gorbachev are dead.
 
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum

Figure out the implications of this written and officialized agreement that Russia broke outright!
Kazakhstan refused recently to be Russia's proxy as a state that hosts their nuclear weapons. For what reason? Well the agreements that they still uphold, but that the liars of Russia do not, how their Word is worthless before the Lord of Hosts. The writing is on the wall for the excommunicated principality of Russia, Ephesians 6:12.

 
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An absolutely certifiably excellent youtube channel that does the best of coverage of the wicked Russian war against Ukraine. Also they do much good charity work as well on this issue partiular. Praise Jesus, the side of good will defeat wicked Russia.
 

gb9

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An absolutely certifiably excellent youtube channel that does the best of coverage of the wicked Russian war against Ukraine. Also they do much good charity work as well on this issue partiular. Praise Jesus, the side of good will defeat wicked Russia.

lol. ukraine is one of the most corrupt nations on the planet.

it is a international slush fund for corrupt politcians.
 
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lol. ukraine is one of the most corrupt nations on the planet.

it is a international slush fund for corrupt politcians.
Yea Ukraine has been rated as the 2nd most corrupt nation in Europe as Russia's fanboys like to remind me a lot. I just wryly smile and then ask them if they can guess who consistently ranks as #1 most corrupt nation in Europe, lol.
 

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Yea Ukraine has been rated as the 2nd most corrupt nation in Europe as Russia's fanboys like to remind me a lot. I just wryly smile and then ask them if they can guess who consistently ranks as #1 most corrupt nation in Europe, lol.
that proves my point-

2 corrupt nations in a slavic civil war.

and my country has sunk millions upon millions into it.

not o k by me....
 

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God’s purposes are being fulfilled,
He will get the glory.

Exodus 14:17-18 KJV
And I, behold, I will harden the hearts of the Egyptians, and they shall follow them: and I will get me honour upon Pharaoh, and upon all his host, upon his chariots, and upon his horsemen.
[18] And the Egyptians shall know that I am the Lord, when I have gotten me honour upon Pharaoh, upon his chariots, and upon his horsemen.
 
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that proves my point-

2 corrupt nations in a slavic civil war.

and my country has sunk millions upon millions into it.

not o k by me....
No it's not a civil war because Ukraine has been its own sovereign independent nation as everyone knows and wicked Russia invaded them for hubris and lies.


My country has invested billions into it and wisely chose the right side, the side of Ukraine who are still beloved by God. Let us oversee now our investment in destroying the excommunicated and wicked principality of Muscovy that our God hates and has determined to fall.

Slava Jesus! Slava America! Slava Ukraine! Heoyam Slava!

 
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More video from evil old cursed Putin himself being stood up to by the Central Asian nations that he delusionally thought he would subjugate after conquering Ukraine in his Satanic inspired fever dream of Novo Rossiya. Seems God, by the pwoer of the Truth has given them second thoughts about being slaves of Russia to share in Putin's own doom and have squabbles among themselves.

 

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Isaiah 35:3-4

3 Strengthen ye the weak hands, and confirm the feeble knees.

4 Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompence; he will come and save you.

Interesting no mention of Ukraine?
Perhaps this is for ancient Israel and only ancient Israel
 
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Interesting no mention of Ukraine?
Perhaps this is for ancient Israel and only ancient Israel
It's to all the weak who fight the strong. Oh house of Israel, God strengthens the good nations and utterly destroys the ones that are wicked. They are just like clay shapen by a potter to be smashed by a rod of iron while holding high over them the Morning Star! Russia is doomed! Ukraine will be saved from them, Praise Jesus!

Jeremiah 18:6-10

6 O house of Israel, cannot I do with you as this potter? saith the Lord. Behold, as the clay is in the potter's hand, so are ye in mine hand, O house of Israel.

7 At what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to pluck up, and to pull down, and to destroy it;

8 If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them.

9 And at what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to build and to plant it;

10 If it do evil in my sight, that it obey not my voice, then I will repent of the good, wherewith I said I would benefit them.
 
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Anyways. More full video of Based 4D Chess High IQ Republican Senator Lindsey Graham's trip to Ukraine.



"The Russian Military is about to have holy hell unleashed upon them" ---Senator Lindsey Graham
 

HeIsHere

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It's to all the weak who fight the strong. Oh house of Israel, God strengthens the good nations and utterly destroys the ones that are wicked. They are just like clay shapen by a potter to be smashed by a rod of iron while holding high over them the Morning Star! Russia is doomed! Ukraine will be saved from them, Praise Jesus!

Jeremiah 18:6-10

6 O house of Israel, cannot I do with you as this potter? saith the Lord. Behold, as the clay is in the potter's hand, so are ye in mine hand, O house of Israel.

7 At what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to pluck up, and to pull down, and to destroy it;

8 If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them.

9 And at what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to build and to plant it;

10 If it do evil in my sight, that it obey not my voice, then I will repent of the good, wherewith I said I would benefit them.

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