Sinful Roots In The Heart

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Cameron143

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This is a plagerized idea. Please site the source
The sources are numerous but because the expression is solely my own no sourcing is necessary. There are published rules on plagiarism. The general rule is when in doubt, give a citation.
 
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Locoponydirtman

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She copied it verbatim.
I copied the Athenasian creed verbatim in another thread. I dont know who wrote it. Anthenatius called it the old creed.
 

Cameron143

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I copied the Athenasian creed verbatim in another thread. I dont know who wrote it. Anthenatius called it the old creed.
You did. And you gave all that information. You didn't present the information as your own.
 

HeIsHere

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Every idea, theology and concept that is shared here is handed to us by teachers. I thinkbyou all should site every source every time you post.

This post is the idea of Lovoponydirtman.
To argue that we all plagiarize by our discussions since we have all learned from others is just lowering the bar in an attempt to make direct act of plagiarism seem less wrong.

Perhaps in a perfect world we would all go through our memory banks, notes, books and give recognition to those from whom we have learned but that does not mean we lower the bar on a message that is copied word for word, lengthy and not sourced.

Why are Christians trying to blur the lines here between right and wrong very concerning.
 

Nehemiah6

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That's what things are coming to. Always have to be looking over our shoulder now. Big bother watching.
Today there is really no excuse for plagiarism. All you have to do is post the link to the original article. Then the whole world knows that you are simply quoting someone else.
 

Moses_Young

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There are serious consequences:

Legal Repercussions
The legal repercussions of plagiarism can be quite serious. Copyright laws are absolute. One cannot use another person’s material without citation and reference. An author has the right to sue a plagiarist. Some plagiarism may also be deemed a criminal offense, possibly leading to a prison sentence. Those who write for a living, such as journalists or authors, are particularly susceptible to plagiarism issues. Those who write frequently must be ever-vigilant not to err. Writers are well-aware of copyright laws and ways to avoid plagiarism. As a professional writer, to plagiarize is a serious ethical and perhaps legal issue.

https://www.ithenticate.com/resources/6-consequences-of-plagiarism
If people are using the Word of God and Christianity to try and make a buck, they need to get another line of work. So-called "plagiarism" is a lie made up by the world to keep people enslaved. I don't believe it has any place in Christian circles. No one is making money here by claiming the source articles are their own, and those who feel strongly enough about it posted the sources. So no harm done.

Plagiarism is the opposite of stealing, it is sharing. If people don't want their work to be shared, they shouldn't publish it. If they want to charge for it, they should butt out of Christianity and try a worldly business. We cannot serve both God and Mammon.
 

Moses_Young

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When I go to the store and buy a card I do not steal it, I pay for it and then share it.
If you took the card without paying for it, that would be stealing. If you make your own card, that is not. The key point is that the OP didn't take the words down from anyone's website. The words still exist at the source, so nothing was stolen.

We would all do well to remember there is nothing in the bible about "plagiarism" - this is a worldly rule. However, there is scripture against bearing false witness.
 
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Niki7

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Really.....
I wonder is it more wrong to plagerize someone elses material or to be rude to someone for no reason?
So she should have sited her source, she wasnt rude to folks.
Since you are the king of rude I guess you know the answer

NO ONE said she was rude. Can you read? I know you wish I would go away and that is just too bad. You don't have to
make illogical comments on my posts that have nothing to do with you because of your personal prejudice

Take a chill pill
 

HeIsHere

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If you took the card without paying for it, that would be stealing. If you make your own card, that is not. The key point is that the OP didn't take the words down from anyone's website. The words still exist at the source, so nothing was stolen.

We would all do well to remember there is nothing in the bible about "plagiarism" - this is a worldly rule. However, there is scripture against bearing false witness.
If the card was a digital card but in order to access and share that digital card a person needed to pay $5.00 but the person was very tech savvy and found away to download/pirate the card and then shared it free of charge, the card still exists at the source but the card was also stolen.

In this case while there was no fee, ethics and integrity would demand that one would give credit where credit is due and source the material.

There is such a thing as intellectual property for a reason.
 

Moses_Young

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If the card was a digital card but in order to access and share that digital card a person needed to pay $5.00 but the person was very tech savvy and found away to download/pirate the card and then shared it free of charge, the card still exists at the source but the card was also stolen.

In this case while there was no fee, ethics and integrity would demand that one would give credit where credit is due and source the material.

There is such a thing as intellectual property for a reason.
Stealing is depriving someone else of his property. Downloading it, copying it, duplicating it or otherwise "pirating" it is not stealing, irrespective of what the world states. The original owner is not deprived of his property, so it's not stealing.

(Think about it realistically. If we applied this to everything, there'd only be a few guys driving around in cars because no one else would be allowed to "steal" their ancestor's invention of the wheel. There'd be a handful using computers, phones, paper etc. "Plagiarism" is just a term invented by those who see themselves as rulers to keep everyone else poor and enslaved).
 
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Locoponydirtman

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Since you are the king of rude I guess you know the answer

NO ONE said she was rude. Can you read? I know you wish I would go away and that is just too bad. You don't have to
make illogical comments on my posts that have nothing to do with you because of your personal prejudice

Take a chill pill
Can you read? I said you were rude.
Follow the thread; you spoke to me first.
If you engage me, i may well engage you. So if you dont want to hear from me dont reply to me.
 
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Locoponydirtman

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Stealing is depriving someone else of his property. Downloading it, copying it, duplicating it or otherwise "pirating" it is not stealing, irrespective of what the world states. The original owner is not deprived of his property, so it's not stealing.

(Think about it realistically. If we applied this to everything, there'd only be a few guys driving around in cars because no one else would be allowed to "steal" their ancestor's invention of the wheel. There'd be a handful using computers, phones, paper etc. "Plagiarism" is just a term invented by those who see themselves as rulers to keep everyone else poor and enslaved).
Correct, intellectual property is an industrialist term used to protect monopolistic profits.
 

proutled

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Anger occurs when our desires (whether unrighteous desires or righteous desires) have not been met. The loss of those desires causes a grievous displeasure that can be manifested in various ways. Although anger can be righteous (Eph. 4:26), we most often have and thus display unrighteous anger. Unrighteous anger is usually accompanied by pride and selfishness. Contrary to anger are meekness, self-control, peace, and patience.
ANGER in the heart says things such as: "I have a bad attitude." "I am not getting what I want." "I am bummed, grumpy, irritated, disappointed, or frustrated."

Anxiety is worry. It is a care or concern for something to the extent that it disturbs or troubles our soul. It is taking thought to something so much that it encumbers our mind. Anxiety causes fear, sorrow, fretting, and dread because we believe that God will not care for our situation appropriately.
ANXIETY in the heart says such things as: "I can't stop thinking about this." "I'm stressed out!" "God is not taking care of this the right way."

Bitterness is a form of anger toward God and others that brings despair of soul. It is a hatred of others and a lack of forgiveness of their wrongs, whether those wrongs are real or perceived. Our bitterness grieves that situations have not been made “right” according to our own expectations. Bitterness causes us to miss out on God’s grace in daily life, and it spreads trouble to others (Heb. 12:15). Contrary to bitterness are joy, love, and meekness.
BITTERNESS in the heart says such things as: "I want others to suffer for their wrongs against me." "I hate them." "God has done wrong to me." "I can't get over this...."

Despair is a state of complete hopelessness that fails to have a biblical, eternal perspective. Despair is a fixation upon earthly, temporal situations that causes a downcast spirit and utter discouragement. It is the sin of unbelief in the fact that God always acts and assists in a way that is for our absolute good and total benefit. Contrary to despair is the faith and confidence in God’s sovereign goodness that leads to joyful hope and patient endurance.
DESPAIR in the heart says things such as: "God cannot help me." "My life is hopeless." "I cannot go on." "God is doing wrong to me.

Blessings.
These can be strong emotions. however, we as children of GOD, we control them, we control our feeling, they don't control us, we control our minds, body's and emotions, 2 peter 1=5 fruitful growth in faith, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, virtue to knowledge, knowledge to self-control to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness, to godliness brotherly kindness and to brotherly kindness love, for if these things are yours and abound, you will nether be barren nor un-fruitful in the knowledge of our lord Jesus Christ. GOD loves you.
 

HeIsHere

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Stealing is depriving someone else of his property. Downloading it, copying it, duplicating it or otherwise "pirating" it is not stealing, irrespective of what the world states. The original owner is not deprived of his property, so it's not stealing.

(Think about it realistically. If we applied this to everything, there'd only be a few guys driving around in cars because no one else would be allowed to "steal" their ancestor's invention of the wheel. There'd be a handful using computers, phones, paper etc. "Plagiarism" is just a term invented by those who see themselves as rulers to keep everyone else poor and enslaved).
I completely disagree.

You sound like a socialist with little knowledge of property rights.
 

HeIsHere

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Correct, intellectual property is an industrialist term used to protect monopolistic profits.
People's ideas/innovations should be protected from corporations and stealing that is whole idea of having the ability to patent a new innovation.

It is stealing, it is taking something that is not yours and pretending it is.
 

HeIsHere

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Stealing is depriving someone else of his property. Downloading it, copying it, duplicating it or otherwise "pirating" it is not stealing, irrespective of what the world states. The original owner is not deprived of his property, so it's not stealing.

(Think about it realistically. If we applied this to everything, there'd only be a few guys driving around in cars because no one else would be allowed to "steal" their ancestor's invention of the wheel. There'd be a handful using computers, phones, paper etc. "Plagiarism" is just a term invented by those who see themselves as rulers to keep everyone else poor and enslaved).

This is a most ridiculous statement.
Do you know anything about how innovation works, patent laws and the ability to use other's innovations?

Every word has a semantic range like the word "stealing" and taking something that is not yours without permission and not giving the recompense due is stealing.

People's time, contributions, investment and effort deserves to be protected.
 
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Locoponydirtman

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People's ideas/innovations should be protected from corporations and stealing that is whole idea of having the ability to patent a new innovation.

It is stealing, it is taking something that is not yours and pretending it is.
I dont think anyone is saying its not proper to give credit where it is due. I think we all agree that the op should site sources. All i am saying is that ots not a crime worthy of all this banter.