water baptism in Jesus' Name.

[heartwashed]

In regards to John 3:22, by this time Jesus' conversation with Nicodemus is over with and He has moved on. John 3:22 - After these things Jesus and His disciples came into the land of Judea, and there He was spending time with them and baptizing. Verse 22 is out of context with verse 5. What is still in context with verse 5 is verses 14-18.

John 3:18 - He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who (is not water baptized? - NO) does not believe is condemned already, because he has not (been water baptized? - NO) because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

It is the same chapter and therefore in the immediate context.

 

[heartwashed]

esus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.

please show me the word BAPTISM

do you even know what the word means? It appears not

Baptism is not even a native english word

If it does in fact mean "baptism", then you, in saying that it does not, are attempting to discourage people from doing what would in fact save them; and you will be held accountable by God for that.

 

[heartwashed]

Peter is saying "repent unto the remission of your sins," the same as in Acts 3:19.

False teaching. Peter is saying, "Repent and be baptized unto the remission of sins."

 

[heartwashed]

So the only logical conclusion when properly harmonizing scripture with scripture

No, you are not harmonizing scripture...you are denying Acts 2:38 in favour of your pet verses.

 

[heartwashed]

I received the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit and knew without a doubt that I had become born again several years ago on a Saturday night when I repented and received Christ through faith, prior to receiving water baptism on Sunday morning.

Acts 10:43 - Of Him all the prophets bear witness that through His name everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins.”
44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who were listening to the message. 45 All the circumcised believers who came with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also. 46 For they were hearing them speaking with tongues and exalting God. Then Peter answered, 47 “Surely no one can refuse the water for these to be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we did, can he?”

Acts 26:18 - to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me.

You need to consider the totality of scripture and not stay hung up on a handful of pet verses.

I have already addressed Acts 10:43-47 more than once; and do not need to do so again.

 

[heartwashed]

I'll give you this much. No matter how wrong your are, no matter how much you are actually giving misinformation about Calvary Chapel, you just stick with it anyway. Must be talking points

Just ask your Bible study teacher. He will tell you the same thing I did, unless you pressure him otherwise and he caves to your pressure.

 

[heartwashed]

Wrong.

Still wrong.

Continues to be wrong.

Will continue to be wrong.

Sticking with his wrong principles. Not admirable

You are in abject denial of what that scripture teaches.

Wouldn't want to be you on the day of judgment.

 

[WayneKCobb]

Note the reference to baptism in the name of Jesus pertains to water. Being indwelt with the Holy Ghost is always recorded as a separate experience:

"When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied." Acts 19:5-6

"...Peter and John:
Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
(For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost." Acts 8:15-17


"...on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord." Acts 10:46-48


Paul's water baptism: "...why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord." Acts 22:16

There were eight different types of baptism given in the New Testament:
1. John's baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins.
2. Jesus' baptism to fulfill all righteousness
3. Jesus baptism of suffering
4. The Baptism of the Holy Spirit
5. Baptism into Moses
6. Noah's baptism
7. Baptism of fire
8. Baptism for the forgiveness of sins to receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

In 61 to 63 AD, about 30 years after the day of Pentecost, the Scriptures say they was one Baptism.
In about 9 to 10 years after Pentecost, Cornelius and his household were Baptized in Holy Spirit and then in water.
So, 20 years after Cornelius and his household were baptized, Ephesians 4:4 says there was one baptism.

What baptism was this: We see in two places that water baptism was the one that remained.

Matthew 28:19-20 "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age."

There were three things that were to be done until the end of the age; one, make disciples, two, baptize them, and three continue to teach the disciples. Also, we see water being used in Ephesians, 30 after the start of the church:

Ephesians 5:24-27 But as the church is subject to Christ, so also the wives ought to be to their husbands in everything. 25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself up for her, 26 so that He might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the declaration, 27 that He might present to Himself the church in all her glory, having no spot or wrinkle or any such thing; but that she would be holy and blameless.

So, we see, the only baptism for today is water baptism in Jesus name.

Thanks for listening,
Wayne

 

[heartwashed]

And that, ladies and gents, is why he can still attend there.



So you are doing the work of the devil, trying to squiggle in to the congregation with unbiblical personal beliefs. I pray you are discovered.

Don't compare yourself to Paul. He would say some very strong words of condemnation for someone who sneaks into a church and starts spreading seeds of distrust and lies against the true gospel of Christ.

Hey...God bless you.

If you want to believe that I am doing the work of the devil, I can't stop you from believing that.

However, I know that I am doing the work of the Lord.

Jesus said that they will cast you out of their "synagogues" because they know neither the Father nor Him; if you are faithful to His word.

I am in good company with Paul, in that you accuse me of being a heretic (Acts 24:14 (kjv)).

 

[heartwashed]

You are a deceiver and nothing more. I would not care if you just come here like so many others and try to implant false doctrine among true believers, but you have now revealed you are secretly working in a Calvary Chapel to persuade those believers into your false gospel.

I told you that I teach what I teach only on the internet. I don't subvert what Calvary Chapel teaches...while I hope that those who are saved by my teaching will provoke them to jealousy in order that they also might be saved.

Also, the following scripture is pertinent.

2Co 2:17, For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.

2Co 4:2, But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God.

2, Co 6:8, By honour and dishonour, by evil report and good report: as deceivers, and yet true;

 

[heartwashed]

"To Him all the prophets witness that, through His name, whoever believes in Him will receive remission of sins." Acts 10:43

Indeed.

The 2nd type of soil, in the parable of the sower, "believes for a while and then falls away."

They have remission of sins until they stop believing.

Then they are lost.

Baptism seals the deal so that you will endure to the end. You receive the Holy Ghost and are sealed unto the day of redemption in baptism (Romans 4:11).

 

[heartwashed]

Denies being Oneness but he is Oneness so the dude cannot keep on track with truth which is why he forgets what he said and then posts the opposite of what he said

Appears to also believe if you are not baptized in Jesus name only, you are not saved

Needs to go into orbit around the space station

I believe in three distinct Persons within the Godhead.

 

[heartwashed]

Let's see. A generation is 20 - 30 years. So it seems, if we want to disassemble the actual truth of scripture as you do, we are safe from that untoward generation as they are all dead.

No worries! We're good.

I can't say what should be said here, so I make light of this instead.

The generation he is speaking of is the entire human race.

 

[heartwashed]

Hi again, Mailmandan,

I know that you believe that one must be baptized after salvation. Can you give me the verses in the New Testament that give a reason or purpose for being baptized?

Thank you,
Wayne

He doesn't know of any; or he would have quoted them by now.

 

[heartwashed]

Agreed!

I am merely pointing out, the man who God claimed was after His Own heart, sure filled a lot of parchment with burn em God, send em to Hell, destroy their souls, make ashes out of them. David, sounds like he just called Sicily, and ordered a hit out on someone.

And also, when I say, "Get 'er, Holy Ghost", I am asking Him to convict her unto salvation; so the intention is benevolent.

 

[heartwashed]

Rodney Howard Brown, the so-called "Holy Ghost Bartender" used to say this. At his meetings, when he dispensed the "anointing," he'd say things like "Fill, fill, fill!" and "Git ‘em, Jesus, git ‘em, git ‘em, git ‘em!"

Yep. I got it from him; and I do it because it works.

 

[heartwashed]

who says they were added after?

The Bible?

 

[heartwashed]

By saying, "not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience -through the resurrection of Jesus Christ," Peter guards against saving power to the physical ceremony itself.

No, he doesn't. Because just previous to that he wrote, "baptism doth also now save us."

 

[WayneKCobb]

Their "belief" at this point was "mental assent" that Jesus was the Messiah and they were guilty of crucifying Him. That is not saving belief yet. Nothing is mentioned here about them trusting in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ for salvation, which explains why they still needed to repent and believe the gospel in that order.

In Acts 2:38, "for the remission of sins" does not refer back to both clauses, "you all repent" and "each one of you be baptized," but refers only to the first. Peter is saying "repent unto the remission of your sins," the same as in Acts 3:19. The clause "each one of you be baptized" is parenthetical. This is exactly what Acts 3:19 teaches except that Peter omits the parenthesis.

*Also compare the fact that these Gentiles in Acts 10:45 received the gift of the Holy Spirit (compare with Acts 2:38 - the gift of the Holy Spirit) and this was BEFORE water baptism. (Acts 10:47)

In Acts 10:43 we read ..whoever believes in Him receives remission of sins. Again, these Gentiles received the gift of the Holy Spirit - Acts 10:45 - when they believed on the Lord Jesus Christ - Acts 11:17 - (compare with Acts 16:31 - Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved) BEFORE water baptism - Acts 10:47. This is referred to as repentance unto life - Acts 11:18.

*So the only logical conclusion when properly harmonizing scripture with scripture is that faith in Jesus Christ "implied in genuine repentance" (rather than water baptism) brings the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit (Luke 24:47; Acts 2:38; 3:19; 5:31; 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 15:8,9; 16:31; 26:18). *Perfect Harmony*


Those who gladly received his word (upon repentance/faith) were "afterwards" baptized. So they were added to the Lord upon repentance/faith prior to receiving water baptism, just as we see in Acts 10:43;47.

Acts 4:4 - However, many of those who heard the word believed; and the number of the men came to be about five thousand. *What happened to baptism?

Acts 5:14 - And believers were increasingly added to the Lord, multitudes of both men and women. *What happened to baptism? *Hermeneutics.

For the same reason the Gentiles did in Acts 10:43-47.

The Gentiles received the baptism of the Holy Spirit and then they were baptized in water. It was not the indwelling of the Holy Spirit
Please read the context clear into Acts 11. After Cornelius, no one was baptized in the Holy Spirit.

God bless you,
Wayne

 

[heartwashed]

It does.

Remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Ghost are promised as the result of receiving the ordinance.

Abba, I pray that you convict @Ted01 for that "x" in Jesus' Name.