The first mention of baptism in scripture is John baptizing people in the Jordan river...in water.
To obey proper hermeneutics, the word, ever afterward, speaks of baptism in water unless the scripture specifically says otherwise.
water baptism in Jesus' Name.
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To obey proper hermeneutics, the word, ever afterward, speaks of baptism in water unless the scripture specifically says otherwise.
Romans 6:1-4 and Ezekiel 36:25-27 speaks of salvation through baptism. (the result of baptism is "a new spirit" and "a new heart" and "walking in newness of life"). Ephesians 2:8-9 assumes that you will understand that and will not try to use it to be pitted against other scripture. (such as the ones I just mentioned).
Also, Colossians 2:12 qualifies Ephesians 2:8-9..."faith in the operation of God".
Just "get this one done".
If you think that Oneness churches are a cult, leave them after they baptize you.
If you think that Oneness churches are a cult, leave them after they baptize you.
I'm not. I've met plenty of people who believe in faith plus works gospel. Not one of them ever said baptism isn't a work. It is actually because you know that salvation is through faith that you don't call an obvious action on our part a work.
That sounds like a made up rule... John the Baptist speaks of the One Who will come after Him, Who baptizes with the Holy Spirit and
with fire. If you were consistent with how you apply your man-made tradition/rule, you would have to you apply it the same and ever
after every time baptism is mentioned without also specifying water, believe it means the Holy Spirit and/or fire. But you do not.
Yes, so how do you reconcile Acts 2:38 to Ephesians 2:8-9 if baptism is a work?
The answer is, you don't.
You pit them against each other.
Act 19:1, And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
Act 19:2, He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
Act 19:3, And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
Act 19:4, Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
Act 19:5, When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Act 19:6, And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
Act 19:7, And all the men were about twelve.
It seems to me like it is kind of redundant.
If, in verse 5, they were baptized in the Holy Spirit rather than in water, are they baptized in the Holy Ghost again, immediately afterward, in verse 6?
Do we need a 2nd baptism of the Holy Spirit seconds after the first?
I didn't say that I was.
I said I am in good company with Him.
People always seem to assume a Messiah complex any time you mention that you are in the same boat as a prophet, a saint, or the Son of God in some way, shape, or form.
It is simply not the case.
I've told you a number of times. The previous verses are evidence of their faith. When they heard this...heard what? The gospel. Faith comes by hearing.
They heard and believed and so acted.. what shall we do? Repent and be baptized.
They believed, then responded. No different than Abraham. He believed God so he acted. No different than Noah. God told him of the impending judgment and he believed God and acted. And the same is true of anyone who gets saved. The word of God is made known, the individual believes God, and responds in repentance and obedience.
That could be read as happening more or less concurrently, with the Holy Spirit coming on them to prophesy and speak in tongues.
1Pe 2:21, For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:
And I have told you a number of times, that if someone isn't saved, and then receives baptism in Jesus' Name, they will receive "remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Ghost" (salvation).
Please elaborate.
I think it is preposterous to think that they would be baptized in the Holy Spirit and that they would then be baptized again in the Holy Spirit, seconds later.
He doesn't leak out that fast.
It is more logical to understand that their baptism was in water.
I know what you have said. I just showed you the way to reconcile Ephesians 2 and Acts 2. You just refuse to accept it.
At any rate, I wish you the best. Grace and peace.
I know. And you are wrong. But, as I said, nothing I show you will change your mind. So blessings.
Ok. I hope that you will receive baptism in Jesus' Name if you have not done so.
Just in case.
