water baptism in Jesus' Name.

[heartwashed]

The Children of Israel were saved out of Egypt before they crossed the Red Sea. Not understanding the WHOLE of Scripture ,ya know, grabbing a verse here and there to make your point is what cults are made of. You quoted 1 peter 3 :21 highlighting the part you accept as support for your view while ignoring the part that says it was figurative . The whole of Scripture works together. There are many who place their salvation in water when Salvation is of the blood .

Mat_26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Rom_5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

Framing a Bible question, to force there is not a direct positive scripture verse , shows only ones lack of over all understanding of Scripture. A strong example is can you show me a verse that says Jesus loves me or Jesus loves you.
Follow your brother of follow Jesus and help your brother.

In 1 Peter 3:21, yes baptism is a symbol. It says in the verse that it is the symbol that doth also now save us.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

You said that baptism is not spoken of in chapter 3. I told you that I had showed it to you. You said that I did not; however I did.

It is in John 3:22-26.

John 3: 22 - 26 is a different context.

Please try to stick to what is being spoken of here..
22 - 26 has nothing to do with being born again or Jesus conversation with nicodemus

 

[heartwashed]

Amen!

Hallelujah!

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

That is because baptism is not a work.

Obviously, Acts 2:38-39 tells us that if we repent and receive baptism in Jesus' Name, we will receive remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Ghost (salvation).

Only those who want to deter people from salvation would fight against this teaching.

How then does the love of the Lord dwell within them?

Wrong

In acts 2. peter tells everyone to repent, and they will recieve the gift of the holy spirit

he then tells those who repented to be baptised because they recieved remission of sin.

again, learn to study the greek..

 

[heartwashed]

Are you Oneness Pentecostal? This is not a teaching platform although some people try to make it one. This forum is for discussion.

Thank you for your thoughts?

One cannot discuss the word without teaching of the word being brought to bear on the discussion.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

The difference is, there is no promise in scripture that says that circumcision will save a man.

While there is such a promise in scripture concerning baptism in Jesus' Name (Acts 2:38-39).

That is why it is important to "get this one done".

So, since salvation is promised to those who receive baptism in Jesus' Name, it is certainly not going to produce the opposite result.

We3ll you misrepresenting Acts 2: 32 to say something it does nto say does not help you

but hey, if you want to replace the work of God with some pastor immersing you in water. feel free

 

[heartwashed]

Awww. Your favorite topic. What do you have against the blood of Christ? You Oneness Pentecostals just really do not seem to like to review scritpures such as these:

“For the life of a creature is in the blood, and I have given it to you to make atonement for yourselves on the altar; it is the blood that makes atonement for one’s life.” (Leviticus 17:11)

“Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him. “ (Romans 5:9)

“In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace” (Ephesians 1:7)
“But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.” (Ephesians 2:13)

“Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him. “ (Romans 5:9)

“Knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, like silver or gold, from your aimless conduct received by tradition from your fathers, but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot.” (1 Peter 1:18-19)

“But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.” (I John 1:7)

“…and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth. To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood and has made us kings[ and priests to His God and Father, to Him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.” (Revelation 1:5)


From the old to the new testament, the answer to salvation is found only in blood.

It has been said that the blood is in the water.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Acts 2:38-39 gives an absolute promise of salvation to those who are baptized in Jesus' Name.

You appear to be teaching that God does not keep His promises.

Peter did not contradict peter.

you do not make a doctrine out of one verse my friend.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

I think that I don't even need to comment since you are being dishonest in omitting one of the verses that I was speaking of.

the verses you gave had nothing to do with being born again

I asked you where jesus told NICODEMUS where he had to be baptised in john 3 to be born again..

so who is being honest?

 

[Niki7]

One cannot discuss the word without teaching of the word being brought to bear on the discussion.

Are you Oneness Pentecostal? Yes or no....if you do not answer I will take it for a yes

One cannot say they are discussing when one is actually teaching though....

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

post #280 shows how we receive grace in baptism (therefore it is not a work, Ephesians 2:8-9).

Since baptism in Jesus' Name brings salvation (remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Ghost), it cannot be a work.

Otherwise the scriptures contradict themselves.

But I know that you are attempting to deny the plain meaning of Acts 2:38-39 by saying that baptism is a work.

I am not denyong acts 2. I interpret it correctly

Once again, it does nto say what you think it says

you can repeat the same mistake till your blue in the face. it does not make you right..

Study the greek. study how the words were used..

It does nto say what you think it says. period

 

[heartwashed]

Actually it is the other way...a new heart produces new desires. Being placed into the body of Christ is the baptism that produces life. Physical circumcision and baptism are outward signs of inward and spiritual reality.

When God clothed Adam and Eve in animal skins, that didn't save them. They merely signified to them the shedding of blood that did.
When God placed the bow in the sky, the rainbow isn't what keeps God from not destroying the earth with water. It merely serves as a reminder of God's promise to Noah.
When God gave the sign of circumcision to Abraham, the physical act of cutting the foreskin didn't save anyone. It did point to the shedding of blood and the circumcision of the heart that attend true salvation.

Romans 1:20 teaches that the invisible things of God are understood by the things that are seen. We don't start with the invisible and work back to the visible. We start with the visible and understand the invisible.

Eze 36:25, Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
Eze 36:26, A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
Eze 36:27, And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

 

[Niki7]

Hallelujah!

Well she/he is one of you so there yah go.

Birds of a feather

 

[heartwashed]

So the Holy Spirit infills non-believers? We are not living in OT times. The Holy Spirit infills BELIEVERS only. He does not infill those who reject Christ or perhaps have not yet heard the gospel.

Your little word games do nothing for your 'testimony'

The Holy Spirit is with unbelievers and in certain instances, He can come upon them.

That is different from being in them.

 

[WayneKCobb]

can you explain to me why faith is anything but what it is defined as?

They received the Holy Ghost because God wanted to prove that Gentiles could be saved.

According to Mark 1:4, Acts 2:38, remission of sins came to them at the moment that they were baptized and not before.

That is pure undiluted 100% baloney with sawdust filler added for good measure.

I guess I have to post the following verses again

“For the life of a creature is in the blood, and I have given it to you to make atonement for yourselves on the altar; it is the blood that makes atonement for one’s life.” (Leviticus 17:11)

“Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him. “ (Romans 5:9)

“In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace” (Ephesians 1:7)
“But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.” (Ephesians 2:13)

“Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him. “ (Romans 5:9)

“Knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, like silver or gold, from your aimless conduct received by tradition from your fathers, but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot.” (1 Peter 1:18-19)

“But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.” (I John 1:7)

“…and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth. To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood and has made us kings[ and priests to His God and Father, to Him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.” (Revelation 1:5)


Now tell me where water baptism is even mentioned let alone being attributed with any kind of forgiveness of sins.

I know your doctrine is unsound and does not save. There is no question whatsoever about that.

Hi Niki7,

According to Acts 2:21, it says, "AND IT SHALL BE THAT EVERYONE WHO CALLS ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED."

According to this scripture, the only thing a person has to do to be saved is call on the name of the Lord. Believing, repentance and baptism are not mentioned in this verse.

God bless you,
Wayne

 

[Niki7]

Eze 36:25, Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
Eze 36:26, A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
Eze 36:27, And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

And?

Does God actually remove our hearts and install new hearts?

Of course not. We are regenerated in our hearts through faith and we have the Holy Spirit indwelling us and through Christ the law has been fulfilled.

We are not Israelites offering sacrifices in the dessert. You should try to get your testaments straight

 

[Cameron143]

Baptism had in fact been instituted and whether or not one was baptized had an effect on the person's faith (Luke 7:29-30).

They had to have fruits that befit baptism. Sorrow and repentance were those fruits. God was already at work in them.

 

[heartwashed]

Love how you twist what people say which of course ties in with your biblical understanding

I DID NOT SAY baptism had not been heard of or instituted. I DID say that baptism in the NT was a new ordination as pertains to believers. In fact, mr let-me-step-all- over- the- truth, you exactly quoted where I said it

It's actually funny. I suspect yr sense of humor may also be lacking

When you and your friends gonna cop to being Oneness Pentecostals?

I started a whole thread on being baptized in Jesus' Name.

Nevertheless I started a whole other thread affirming the Trinity.

 

[Niki7]

The Holy Spirit is with unbelievers and in certain instances, He can come upon them.

That is different from being in them.

It's really not looking good for you at this point. The Holy Spirit indwells believers as God promised.

You have no real clue do you. Are you all really just a bunch of trolls pretending to believe in Christ?

No actual believer in Christianity (even with differences in doctrine) would say what you just said

Getting really out there you are

 

[heartwashed]

Here is my post in its entirety to show what I really said.

It would not have mattered if he had been baptized, because Jesus had not yet died and risen from the dead. Baptism as an ordinance for believers had therefore not yet been instituted.

The nonsensical argument to continue to insist that the thief might/maybe/perhaps/supposedly/possibly/conceivably/mayhap
/peradventure/ and so on and so forth, have been baptized ignores the difference between the baptism of John and that which a believer undergoes.

This actually shows a lack of understanding and or desperation to cling to a nonbiblical view of baptism as a vehicle for salvation.

This is grade school stuff. But somehow, it goes right over your head.

In order to refute the argument that the thief on the cross was never baptized, all I need to do is produce reasonable doubt. If there is even the possibility that he was baptized, then your argument falls apart.

For it to work, it must be absolutely true that the thief was never baptized.