Did Jesus take the punishment for our sins?
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FAQ: How is it not a miscarriage of justice to allow folks to circumvent their
responsibility simply by believing Jesus died for their sins and rose again?
REPLY: God-- in some mysterious way that has thus far eluded my sense of
fair play --accounts Christ's followers as joint principals with him in his
crucifixion.
● Rom 6:3 . . Don't you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ
Jesus were baptized into his death?
● Rom 6:8 . . We died with Christ,
● Gal 2:20 . . I am crucified with Christ
And that's the way God much prefers sinners to face the wrath of God. The
default alternative is the great white throne event depicted at Rev 20:11-15
where those who fail to be accounted crucified with Christ will face the wrath
of God via a mode of death akin to a foundry worker falling into a kettle of
molten iron.
FAQ: How would someone go about becoming a joint principal in Jesus'
crucifixion?
REPLY: Find a quiet moment. Cover your face with your hands for a sense of
privacy and simply speak with God saying, in so many words:
"God, I'm a sinner with a lot to answer for. I would like to be accounted
crucified with your son if I may. Thank You."
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FAQ: How is it not a miscarriage of justice to allow folks to circumvent their
responsibility simply by believing Jesus died for their sins and rose again?
REPLY: God-- in some mysterious way that has thus far eluded my sense of
fair play --accounts Christ's followers as joint principals with him in his
crucifixion.
● Rom 6:3 . . Don't you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ
Jesus were baptized into his death?
● Rom 6:8 . . We died with Christ,
● Gal 2:20 . . I am crucified with Christ
And that's the way God much prefers sinners to face the wrath of God. The
default alternative is the great white throne event depicted at Rev 20:11-15
where those who fail to be accounted crucified with Christ will face the wrath
of God via a mode of death akin to a foundry worker falling into a kettle of
molten iron.
FAQ: How would someone go about becoming a joint principal in Jesus'
crucifixion?
REPLY: Find a quiet moment. Cover your face with your hands for a sense of
privacy and simply speak with God saying, in so many words:
"God, I'm a sinner with a lot to answer for. I would like to be accounted
crucified with your son if I may. Thank You."
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Yes, it is the clear teaching of the Bible that Jesus took the punishment for our sins.
That is what "propitiation" means (Romans 3:25, 1 John 2:2, 1 John 4:10).
Also, read Isaiah 53.
I had a discussion with an atheist who pointed the following (how would you address this);
1) 53:5 But he was wounded - not killed
2) 9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death - was in a grave by himself not with others
3) 10 - .....he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, ....... - did not see his seed
If you commit a crime but I volunteer to do the time for you, I am not being punished, but I am suffering. A penalty (punishment) for the crime is implemented and justice is served.
Come on snacker seariously,
Jesus died for our sins means Jesus gave his life for our sins, so we could have a chance.
The reason Jesus died for our sins was so a new incorruptible seed could be born via Jesus beating sin in the flesh, to which that seed could be passed via being blessed with the fruits of the holy spirit.
This was victory not punishment.
The father gave his son for this reason, not because he knew he would be punished or that he knew he would suffer.
Jesus was not sent to suffer for our sins or be punished for them, his father sent him for victory.
And the victory is for those who repent in Jesus name.
Yes he suffered yes he bore the sin's of the world upon his mighty shoulders, but that's because he could and can, as he is the mighty as the father to
Jesus will just banish sins into the sea of tranquility 
You should read Isaiah 53. The end does tell of unparalleled exaltation. But the rest speaks of unrivaled humiliation. That humiliation took the form of lowliness in position, suffering in life, and suffering in death. There is no exaltation without the severe humiliation. He was a man of sorrows.Come on snacker seariously,
Jesus died for our sins means Jesus gave his life for our sins, so we could have a chance.
The reason Jesus died for our sins was so a new incorruptible seed could be born via Jesus beating sin in the flesh, to which that seed could be passed via being blessed with the fruits of the holy spirit.
This was victory not punishment.
The father gave his son for this reason, not because he knew he would be punished or that he knew he would suffer.
Jesus was not sent to suffer for our sins or be punished for them, his father sent him for victory.
And the victory is for those who repent in Jesus name.
Yes he suffered yes he bore the sin's of the world upon his mighty shoulders, but that's because he could and can, as he is the mighty as the father to
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Mayes the idea is Jesus carried all our iniquity he became like us one of us n order to save us
Because man inows siffering and sorrow Jesus partook
“Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.”
Hebrews 2:14, 16-18 KJV
in the Old Testament it is determined that as god looks throughout all the world he find no man worthy to intercede on mans behalf
his answer to this vexing conundrum was that he would become a man worthy and intercede for us in order that he and try ally become a man he had to lay down his glory in order to accomplish salvstion for us and then he returned to his original glory before he became a man
The humility and suffering was the humanity of Christ revealing itself
“Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: but made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: and being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. ( that’s what we are called to do humble ourselves and become obedient )
Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.”
Philippians 2:5-11 KJV
God looked from heaven and saw us without any hope of salvstion no intercessor to save us and so he put on his ferments and helmet his cloak and became one of us showing man’s need to humble himself before God so God and lift us up
alike Jesus we’re called to humble ourselves and promised God will lift us up if we do
“Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded. Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.”
James 4:7-8, 10 KJV
Mayes the idea is Jesus carried all our iniquity he became like us one of us n order to save us
Because man inows siffering and sorrow Jesus partook
“Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.”
Hebrews 2:14, 16-18 KJV
in the Old Testament it is determined that as god looks throughout all the world he find no man worthy to intercede on mans behalf
his answer to this vexing conundrum was that he would become a man worthy and intercede for us in order that he and try ally become a man he had to lay down his glory in order to accomplish salvstion for us and then he returned to his original glory before he became a man
The humility and suffering was the humanity of Christ revealing itself
“Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: but made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: and being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. ( that’s what we are called to do humble ourselves and become obedient )
Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.”
Philippians 2:5-11 KJV
God looked from heaven and saw us without any hope of salvstion no intercessor to save us and so he put on his ferments and helmet his cloak and became one of us showing man’s need to humble himself before God so God and lift us up
alike Jesus we’re called to humble ourselves and promised God will lift us up if we do
“Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded. Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.”
James 4:7-8, 10 KJV
Think outside the American box. Not only is it possible, it’s done all the time in certain countries. Rich people pay poor people to do time for them; and it’s legal.
SemanticsCome on snacker seariously,
Jesus died for our sins means Jesus gave his life for our sins, so we could have a chance.
The reason Jesus died for our sins was so a new incorruptible seed could be born via Jesus beating sin in the flesh, to which that seed could be passed via being blessed with the fruits of the holy spirit.
This was victory not punishment.
The father gave his son for this reason, not because he knew he would be punished or that he knew he would suffer.
Jesus was not sent to suffer for our sins or be punished for them, his father sent him for victory.
And the victory is for those who repent in Jesus name.
Yes he suffered yes he bore the sin's of the world upon his mighty shoulders, but that's because he could and can, as he is the mighty as the father to
Everyone who dies in choosing heresy goes to hell; Jesus Christ did not die on the cross for heresy.
The ones who are choosing to believe Christ justifies heresy are the ones who are being heretical.
There are more than 7,000,000,000 people on this earth; I am referring to those who are choosing to believe Christ justifies heresy.
Do you believe Christ justifies heresy; Are you one of them?