How many People Think the Jews Could Be Wrong?

[Bob-Carabbio]

Some people find it easier to just chime in with the majority, rather that use discernment of what is TRUE, from what is FALSE.

AND what is of absolutely NO IMPORTANCE one way or another. There's no earthly use for another "Jewish Temple", nor for any Jewish sacrifice. they MISSED THEIR TIME OF VISITATION, and MURDERED THEIR SAVIOR.

 

[VCO]

AND what is of absolutely NO IMPORTANCE one way or another. There's no earthly use for another "Jewish Temple", nor for any Jewish sacrifice. they MISSED THEIR TIME OF VISITATION, and MURDERED THEIR SAVIOR.

I will repeat, because I do not think you were here a few pages ago. The Third Temple, and the Fourth Temple is IN GOD's Plans for this Earth. The Third Temple is to give Satan the opportunity, so that WHEN he goes into the Lake of Fire, he will be WITHOUT AN EXCUSE. It is also How GOD separates the True Worshippers in Judaism, from the False Worshippers. False worshippers in Judaism, false worshippers accept the MARK OF THE BEAST, and True worshippers are beheaded by the Antichrist, when they refuse to bow down the antichrist. All of the Tribulation Saints will be beheaded, accept the 144,000, who are Preserved in their MORTAL BODIES, to repopulate ISRAEL with JEWS in the Millennium, also known as 70th Week of Daniel, also know as Jacob's Trouble. Just so you know we are Raptured around Revelation 4:4, how do I know? We go to the Wedding of the Lamb as a GROUP, at the end of the CHURCH AGE. And the 70th Week of Daniel, cannot start until we are gone. Let me show you what I mean:

Revelation 4:4 (NCV)
4 Around the throne there were twenty-four other thrones with twenty-four elders sitting on them. They were dressed in white and had golden crowns on their heads.

JESUS DID NOT SIT DOWN ON HIS THRONE IN HEAVEN, TILL HIS WORK ON EARTH WAS DONE.
We go as a GROUP, for the Wedding of the Lamb, and Proof they have their resurrected BODY is they are SITTING, and you do not take a Seat until your work on EARTH is DONE. What's More, I seriously doubt if a disembodied Human Spirit has anything behind him to actually SIT ON. So YES I believe that is Proof of a Pre-Tribulation Rapture, with a resurrected Glorified Body.

Revelation 19:9 (NIV)
9 Then the angel said to me, "Write: 'Blessed are those who are invited to the wedding supper of the Lamb!'" And he added, "These are the true words of God."

Ezekiel's Fourth TEMPLE, is FOR THE MORTALS OF EARTH. I do not know if Many Christians KNOW THIS, but the only religion I see in the Millennium is JUDAISM minus the blood Sacrifices. Want PROOF? He it is:

Zechariah 14:16-19 (NASB77)
16 Then it will come about that any who are left of all the nations that went against Jerusalem will go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to celebrate the Feast of Booths.
17 And it will be that whichever of the families of the earth does not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, there will be no rain on them.
18 And if the family of Egypt does not go up or enter, then no rain will fall on them; it will be the plague with which the LORD smites the nations who do not go up to celebrate the Feast of Booths.
19 This will be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all the nations who do not go up to celebrate the Feast of Booths.

Isaiah 14:24 (ESV)
24 The LORD of hosts has sworn: “As I have planned, so shall it be, and as I have purposed, so shall it stand,

 

[VCO]

AND what is of absolutely NO IMPORTANCE one way or another. There's no earthly use for another "Jewish Temple", nor for any Jewish sacrifice. they MISSED THEIR TIME OF VISITATION, and MURDERED THEIR SAVIOR.

Jeremiah 3:22-23 (NCV)
22 “Come back to me, you unfaithful children, and I will forgive you for being unfaithful.“ “Yes, we will come to you, because you are the LORD our God.
23 It was foolish to worship idols on the hills and on the mountains. Surely the salvation of Israel comes from the LORD our God.


Psalm 103:9-10 (HCSB)
9 He will not always accuse ⌊us⌋ or be angry forever.
10 He has not dealt with us as our sins deserve or repaid us according to our offenses.

Isaiah 57:16 (NJB)
16 ‘For I do not want to be forever accusing nor always to be angry, or the spirit would fail under my onslaught, the souls that I myself have made.

 

[Bob-Carabbio]

I will repeat, because I do not think you were here a few pages ago. The Third Temple, and the Fourth Temple is IN GOD's Plans for this Earth. The Third Temple is to give Satan the opportunity, so that WHEN he goes into the Lake of Fire, he will be WITHOUT AN EXCUSE.

I agree that they Jewish folks WILL BUILD another "temple" out of their total RELIGIOUS IGNORANCE. Satan has been totally "Without excuse" since the Garden, so no need for that. Just one of the stupid things the Jews will do as the end approaches.

OF course since "Eschatology" is nothing but a Religious term for "Rank speculation", your ideas about what'll happen from here on out, are not taken seriously.

 

[Bruce_Leiter]

Yes. There are several passages which speak of a third temple (without necessarily calling it that). Paul was writing 2 Thessalonians 2:3,4 around 51-52 AD and here is what he wrote: 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

We know that the 2nd temple was destroyed in 70 AD, but what was prophesied above did not happen between 50 and 70 AD. So Paul was speaking about a future teimple, just as Jesus spoke about a future temple in which the Abomination of Desolation would stand in the Holy Place.

No one can claim that the third temple will NOT be built where the previous temple was (and that was built were Solomon's temple was). Conjectures on this are dangerous. The thing that Christians must understand is that there must be third temple in order to fulfil this and other prophecies.

Paul and Peter describe the church as God's temple with Jesus as the chief cornerstone.

 

[VCO]

Paul and Peter describe the church as God's temple with Jesus as the chief cornerstone.

Where is the Church after Rev. 4:4 ? ? ? In Heaven.

The Mortals on Earth will have to get used to Judaism.

 

[VCO]

I agree that they Jewish folks WILL BUILD another "temple" out of their total RELIGIOUS IGNORANCE. Satan has been totally "Without excuse" since the Garden, so no need for that. Just one of the stupid things the Jews will do as the end approaches.

OF course since "Eschatology" is nothing but a Religious term for "Rank speculation", your ideas about what'll happen from here on out, are not taken seriously.

It is more to do with making SURE Satan cannot accuse GOD for not being fair with him. He will seal his DOOM, to FOREVER, in the LAKE OF FIRE.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Paul and Peter describe the church as God's temple with Jesus as the chief cornerstone.

There is a huge difference between a spiritual and metaphorical temple and an actual temple of stones and mortar. Don't get the two confused.

 

[VCO]

I agree that they Jewish folks WILL BUILD another "temple" out of their total RELIGIOUS IGNORANCE. Satan has been totally "Without excuse" since the Garden, so no need for that. Just one of the stupid things the Jews will do as the end approaches.

OF course since "Eschatology" is nothing but a Religious term for "Rank speculation", your ideas about what'll happen from here on out, are not taken seriously.

I know, almost NOBODY takes them seriously, but I AM SERIOUS TO THE END.

 

[VCO]

There is a huge difference between a spiritual and metaphorical temple and an actual temple of stones and mortar. Don't get the two confused.

Oh, no, IT WILL BE A LITERAL TEMPLE.

Here is what the Jews think of when thinking about Ezekiels TEMPLE:



Here is what I think of:

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[Nehemiah6]

Here is what the Jews think of when thinking about Ezekiel's TEMPLE

Except that it will NOT be Ezekiel's temple. That comes much later.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

AND what is of absolutely NO IMPORTANCE one way or another. There's no earthly use for another "Jewish Temple", nor for any Jewish sacrifice. they MISSED THEIR TIME OF VISITATION, and MURDERED THEIR SAVIOR.

Not according to Romans 11. Our sins killed Christ. We all had a hand in putting Jesus on that cross.

 

[Magenta]

Not according to Romans 11. Our sins killed Christ. We all had a hand in putting Jesus on that cross.

Not only that, but Jesus was purposed from before the foundation of the world! Jesus said,

"Now My soul is troubled, and what shall I say? 'Father, save Me from
this hour'? But for this purpose I came to this hour." John 12:27

 

[VCO]

Except that it will NOT be Ezekiel's temple. That comes much later.

My understanding is may be built by Christ Himself, after the Second Coming.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Not according to Romans 11. Our sins killed Christ. We all had a hand in putting Jesus on that cross.

True enough. But it is God -- through His servants -- who made the Jews (not the Romans) DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE for the murder of Christ. This is something which many Christians miss.

Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: (Acts 2:23)...Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye. Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers: (Acts 7:51,52)

We should keep in mind that Pontius Pilate tried to prevent the crucifixion of Christ several times, but because he was a coward, he gave in to the Jewish mob eventually. But God already knew this in advance, and it all worked out for plan of salvation.

 

[Nehemiah6]

My understanding is may be built by Christ Himself, after the Second Coming.

That is correct and there are many prophecies which present this. This Ezekiel temple will be God's ultimate temple on earth in a redeemed and restored Jerusalem. Many Christians will find it hard to understand why God would eventually have a pure temple on earth, when there is already a perfect temple in Heaven, with Christ as the Great High Priest, and the Church itself is the spiritual and metaphorical temple of God.

But then we have this: And I saw no temple therein [in the New Jerusalem]: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. (Rev 21:22). And then we have this: Then said the LORD unto me; This gate shall be shut, it shall not be opened, and no man shall enter in by it; because the LORD, the God of Israel, hath entered in by it, therefore it shall be shut. (Ezek 44:2) So God's ways are not our ways, and His thoughts are not our thoughts. There are many things which we simply cannot fathom.

 

[VCO]

Sorry about that, the picture disappeared. Okay, if Christ Builds that TEMPLE, I think White Marble, is his favorite Color. Something, like this: https://external-content.duckduckgo...bd74189cfee8aa8ca8365b91d6e290fa32&ipo=images

 

[VCO]

That is correct and there are many prophecies which present this. This Ezekiel temple will be God's ultimate temple on earth in a redeemed and restored Jerusalem. Many Christians will find it hard to understand why God would eventually have a pure temple on earth, when there is already a perfect temple in Heaven, with Christ as the Great High Priest, and the Church itself is the spiritual and metaphorical temple of God.

But then we have this: And I saw no temple therein [in the New Jerusalem]: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. (Rev 21:22). And then we have this: Then said the LORD unto me; This gate shall be shut, it shall not be opened, and no man shall enter in by it; because the LORD, the God of Israel, hath entered in by it, therefore it shall be shut. (Ezek 44:2) So God's ways are not our ways, and His thoughts are not our thoughts. There are many things which we simply cannot fathom.

The verse you stated (Rev. 21:22) is the beginning of the Enteral State, not the Millenium, which the Literal TEMPLE has a part in.

 

[Bob-Carabbio]

It is more to do with making SURE Satan cannot accuse GOD for not being fair with him. He will seal his DOOM, to FOREVER, in the LAKE OF FIRE.

That JUDGEMENT could have easily been made back in Genesis. EXCEPT THAT Adam, and Eve would have to be Damned on the spot also, as satan's minions, exactly like ALL HUMANS who are hopelessly mired in their SIN - like you and I were.

BUT HEY!! the Jews will build their worthless temple, welcome their "Messiah", and perish with him.

 

[Bob-Carabbio]

Not according to Romans 11. Our sins killed Christ. We all had a hand in putting Jesus on that cross.

But Jesus put the major BLAME on the Jewish leaders, who delivered Him to the Romans for the deed to be done. The Romans were nothing but ignorant HEATHENS that didn't have a CLUE. The JEWS had been given the WORD OF GOD, and ignored it in favor of their OWN "Religious system", that continues today.

Since I was a partaker in Jesus' SIN OFFERING, then I agree tha you and I "Had a hand" in the events at Calvary.