Do you think transgenders go to heaven?

[Jimbone]

Do you think transgenders go to heaven? I hear mixed opinions on the topic. Are people with those feelings supposed to stay the way they are and remain celibate for their lives?

If they're born again they will, really that's between them and Jesus.

 

[HeIsHere]

It seems to me you are happy with a version of God that befits your views of hate towards others and not a version that has love for everyone. I know why you say that the UMC's God is nit the right God: They have transgender pastors.

Let me remind you that excluding people was also common practice among the "Christian" KKK.

About scientific studies let me ask you something: if a blood test said you had a disease, would you deny it only because its a scientific test?

Why does it always come down to the use of the word "hate."

I read nothing hateful in anything anyone has stated.

 

[HeIsHere]

I have nothing but love for transgender people.

The reason why we are labeled as haters by these people of the world is because they feel hatred towards us...and they project their hatred onto us, psychologically.

This movement requires/demands compliance and support nothing less.

 

[heartwashed]

I agree about this.

As I said I go to Him every night and pray for forgiveness. Something many here seem to not read.

A confession that it is perpetually a sin means that you are perpetually forgiven (1 John 1:9).

The moment that you deny that it is a sin, that is when you lose the forgiveness that is offered to you by God.

 

[HeIsHere]

About scientific studies let me ask you something: if a blood test said you had a disease, would you deny it only because its a scientific test?

Just an fyi, those scientific studies have little to no validity or credibility and certanly cannot be likened to a blood test.

 

[HeIsHere]

A confession that it is perpetually a sin means that you are perpetually forgiven (1 John 1:9).

The moment that you deny that it is a sin, that is when you lose the forgiveness that is offered to you by God.

Every single sin has been paid for and forgiven, repentance is once, belief is once, the rest is discipleship and growing in the Lord and Saviour.

I see no scripture for your last statement, that believer loses forgiveness.

 

[Jeanette]

No, God did not make them born that way. That is because of the fallen world we live in.


That has nothing to do with sexuality. God made man and woman for a man. There is no other way around it.



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I agree mostly but with these two.

In the first one, God made us in His image. But what is His image? Man, woman, White, Black? I think God's image is of universality , because we were all made like Him but also different. Maybe, maybe, things happen in the womb which makes us be born a certain way and that has been proven over and over by scientists too. But its not our fault that those things happened to us yet people always like to point their fingers at those who are born differently.

That includes transgender people. There are several studies that I brought here that suggest transgender brains are affected during pregnancy. When I brought these up, some supposed scientist said that he disagrees with the majority of scientists and that the studies are a lie fixed by the left government....yeah. Because he knows more than all the other scientists and also was there when the left was fixing this.....

The second one I was more referring to the fact the Bible writers, some of them, had their own agendas. The Bible is inspired by God but there are instances, like Leviticus saying that Israelite people can own slaves but to be sure to treat Israelites as their same....where men wrote their own word and not God's. God doesn't approve of slavery. He loves all his children just the same and to Him, I believe, we are all one.

Thanks for your words, however. You were not disrespectful and I appreciate that. I hope we can keep the conversation at a respectful, understanding tone.

 

[HeIsHere]

It didn’t take you long to figure him out. Now shake the dust off your feet and ignore him.

Huh?

 

[heartwashed]

Every single sin has been paid for and forgiven, repentance is once, belief is once, the rest is discipleship and growing in the Lord and Saviour.

I see no scripture for your last statement, that believer loses forgiveness.

It is simply 1 John 1:9. The moment you deny that something is a sin, you are no longer agreeing with the Lord that it is a sin.

 

[HeIsHere]

Maybe, maybe, things happen in the womb which makes us be born a certain way and that has been proven over and over by scientists too.

This has never been proven when it comes to the topic of this thread.

 

[HeIsHere]

It is simply 1 John 1:9. The moment you deny that something is a sin, you are no longer agreeing with the Lord that it is a sin.

In the original post you stated you "lose" forgiveness, Christian are the one's who have accepted Christ's forgiveness/gift of righteousness as a one time event.

So a believer cannot "lose" forgiveness, that is not what John is stating btw.

 

[heartwashed]

I agree mostly but with these two.

In the first one, God made us in His image. But what is His image? Man, woman, White, Black? I think God's image is of universality , because we were all made like Him but also different. Maybe, maybe, things happen in the womb which makes us be born a certain way and that has been proven over and over by scientists too. But its not our fault that those things happened to us yet people always like to point their fingers at those who are born differently.

That includes transgender people. There are several studies that I brought here that suggest transgender brains are affected during pregnancy. When I brought these up, some supposed scientist said that he disagrees with the majority of scientists and that the studies are a lie fixed by the left government....yeah. Because he knows more than all the other scientists and also was there when the left was fixing this.....

The second one I was more referring to the fact the Bible writers, some of them, had their own agendas. The Bible is inspired by God but there are instances, like Leviticus saying that Israelite people can own slaves but to be sure to treat Israelites as their same....where men wrote their own word and not God's. God doesn't approve of slavery. He loves all his children just the same and to Him, I believe, we are all one.

Thanks for your words, however. You were not disrespectful and I appreciate that. I hope we can keep the conversation at a respectful, understanding tone.

When it says "God made them male and female" it is not saying that he made one person male and female at the same time.

It is saying that God created Adam and Eve, one male and one female.

Brains being affected is a result of the fall of man...sin.

The man born blind...neither he sinned nor did his parents sin that he was born blind...however he was born blind because of sin inherited from the fall.

The thing about slavery in the OT is God's word...

We can learn from those passages about what it means to be a slave of righteousness.

Of course slavery is abolished in this present age; because we went to war about it and the war was of God (1 Chronicles 5:22).

But before that was settled in such a manner, it was expedient to regulate what it was in the nature of fallen man to practice.

And as for whether God approves of slavery...

We have one Master in heaven...even Christ (Colossians 4:1).

 

[heartwashed]

In the original post you stated you "lose" forgiveness, Christian are the one's who have accepted Christ's forgiveness/gift of righteousness as a one time event.

So a believer cannot "lose" forgiveness, that is not what John is stating btw.

A true believer will not ever begin to deny that what he has repented of is sin.

If he does, then he was never a true believer in the first place (in Calvinism).

 

[HeIsHere]

A true believer will not ever begin to deny that what he has repented of is sin.

If he does, then he was never a true believer in the first place (in Calvinism).

I am not a Calvinist.
Believers mess up all the time.

 

[heartwashed]

I am married to a divorced woman; and according to Matthew 5:32 that means that "my sin is ever before me" (Psalms 51:3).

Does that mean that I am not forgiven?

Not a chance!

 

[heartwashed]

I am not a Calvinist.
Believers mess up all the time.

However, to be a true believer, you must not deny that sin is sin.

The moment you do that, you are no longer agreeing with God about your sin; and therefore you are not forgiven (1 John 1:9).

That is the meaning of "confess"...to agree with God.

 

[tourist]

Do you think transgenders go to heaven? I hear mixed opinions on the topic. Are people with those feelings supposed to stay the way they are and remain celibate for their lives?

If they have confessed their sins to Jesus, then yes, his shed blood on the cross is sufficient for their salvation.

 

[HeIsHere]

However, to be a true believer, you must not deny that sin is sin.

The moment you do that, you are no longer agreeing with God about your sin; and therefore you are not forgiven (1 John 1:9).

That is the meaning of "confess"...to agree with God.

One verse out of context is something I try to avoid.
Believe as you will.

 

[heartwashed]

One verse out of context is something I try to avoid.
Believe as you will.

I will say only this...

That if there is a sin in your life and you, personally, are denying that it is a sin,

you are not forgiven according to 1 John 1:9.

Those who are born again of the Holy Spirit are in agreement with God about sin...

concerning every sin that is written about in the Book.

 

[heartwashed]

Believers mess up all the time.

1Jo 3:9, Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

1Jo 5:18, We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

1Jo 3:6, Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

1Jo 2:17, And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth (sinneth not) for ever.