How to love your family, when God hates the nonelects?
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That is not what I believe it is what the OP believes, I was just mirroring his belief, so if you disagree with me are you in agreement with the OP?
That is not what I believe it is what the OP believes, I was just mirroring his belief, so if you disagree with me are you in agreement with the OP?
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@HeIsHere I am still in the process of reading the link you sent you I have to say so far I am not really impressed the scripture they use to prove their points for most part vaguely inplies what they are saying but it is shaky at best. Like this part on election one verse they use is Ephesians 1 3-6 how Paul speaks on how God chose them before the beginning of time but if you continue reading he goes on to express that according to his his and according to his purpose they were chosen to be the first to put their hope in Christ and to be for the praise of his glory.
See the issue I see here is they stopped at the one verse they used that says they are chosen elect but didn't continue reading as Paul explains what he means by that then goes even further saying to the gentiles how they are also included.
So.... yeah not impressed so far
See the issue I see here is they stopped at the one verse they used that says they are chosen elect but didn't continue reading as Paul explains what he means by that then goes even further saying to the gentiles how they are also included.
So.... yeah not impressed so far
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My friend I enjoyed your post and I appreciate you trying to help him understand. Sadly though that would defeat the purpose if he is chosen and above them then he isn't doing it.
From the first post of his thread he boasted and lifted himself above his family mentioning how he was chosen and they were not.
He had no regard for their salvation he didn't care about their souls and he created the thread with the sole intent to stir things up and speak in his arrogance there is no reasoning with him that is not why he is is in this thread.
From the first post of his thread he boasted and lifted himself above his family mentioning how he was chosen and they were not.
He had no regard for their salvation he didn't care about their souls and he created the thread with the sole intent to stir things up and speak in his arrogance there is no reasoning with him that is not why he is is in this thread.
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Sure. But blessing came to Peter when flesh and blood was not the source of His revelation, but God.
Your hatred of Calvinism has jaded you so severely that a simple statement of hope and encouragement to someone becomes to you a referendum on Salvation.
Anyone can tear down. Try to construct.
Your hatred of Calvinism has jaded you so severely that a simple statement of hope and encouragement to someone becomes to you a referendum on Salvation.
Anyone can tear down. Try to construct.
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I was just thinking about Peter. I was thinking about the relationship he had with Jesus. Among all the apostles Peter and Jesus had a bond that special I began wishing I could have at least been in there in spirit to watch the whole story go down going so far as to imagine I would be able to interact with Jesus as he would kind of stop time and explain things to me.
Then I starting thinking about how he said to Peter on this rock I will build my church. I vaguely remember and I may be wrong about this so please forgive me but I think it was either calvanism or the catholics or something that use that as a kind of source for making Peter a kind of high priest of their belief or something
Do you perhaps know what I am talking about? But I did wonder to myself what exactly did he mean by that.
Then I starting thinking about how he said to Peter on this rock I will build my church. I vaguely remember and I may be wrong about this so please forgive me but I think it was either calvanism or the catholics or something that use that as a kind of source for making Peter a kind of high priest of their belief or something
Do you perhaps know what I am talking about? But I did wonder to myself what exactly did he mean by that.
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The RCC calls Peter the first pope, and claim an unbroken line of succession back to him
even though the RCC did not come into existence until hundreds of years later. And yes,
they take that phase of Jesus about Peter's confession of faith, and say it means the church
is built on Peter, but in the Greek, two different words are used: one is Petra (feminine gender),
and the other is Petros (masculine gender). Both mean rock. Only one (the latter) applies to Peter.
Jesus is the Rock the church is built upon.
even though the RCC did not come into existence until hundreds of years later. And yes,
they take that phase of Jesus about Peter's confession of faith, and say it means the church
is built on Peter, but in the Greek, two different words are used: one is Petra (feminine gender),
and the other is Petros (masculine gender). Both mean rock. Only one (the latter) applies to Peter.
Jesus is the Rock the church is built upon.
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Jesus was not referring to personal illumination as how He would build His church, again that is stretching the meaning of His words.
“Since the whole human race is blind and stubborn, those faults remain fixed in our nature until they are corrected by the grace of the Spirit, and that comes only from election. Two people may hear the same teaching together; yet one is willing to learn, and the other persists in his obstinacy. They do not differ in nature, but God illumines one and not the other. We are, indeed, made God’s children by faith--faith is for us the door and beginning of salvation; but there is something deeper with God. He does not begin to choose us after we believe, but by the gift of faith he seals the adoption that was hidden in our hearts and makes it manifest and sure.” (Acts: Calvin, Crossway Classic Commentaries, p.229, emphasis mine)
This would be incorrect^^^^^
“Since the whole human race is blind and stubborn, those faults remain fixed in our nature until they are corrected by the grace of the Spirit, and that comes only from election. Two people may hear the same teaching together; yet one is willing to learn, and the other persists in his obstinacy. They do not differ in nature, but God illumines one and not the other. We are, indeed, made God’s children by faith--faith is for us the door and beginning of salvation; but there is something deeper with God. He does not begin to choose us after we believe, but by the gift of faith he seals the adoption that was hidden in our hearts and makes it manifest and sure.” (Acts: Calvin, Crossway Classic Commentaries, p.229, emphasis mine)
This would be incorrect^^^^^