Did you know...Gentiles/of the Nations are the House of Israel?

[Grace911]

Psa_119:176 I have gone astray like a lost sheep; seek thy servant; for I do not forget thy commandments.

Jer_50:6 My people hath been lost sheep: their shepherds have caused them to go astray, they have turned them away on the mountains: they have gone from mountain to hill, they have forgotten their resting place.

Mat_10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Mat_15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

 

[JaumeJ]

It is written all Tribes of Israel will be reunited. It is also written that thee names of the twelve tribes will figure in the New Jerusalem.

 

[Grace911]

It is written all Tribes of Israel will be reunited. It is also written that thee names of the twelve tribes will figure in the New Jerusalem.

Rev 21:12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:

It looks like we will be assigned one of the twelve gates we may enter and exit.

 

[Beckie]

Some many worship a peoples an antichrist people. Jesus is Israel Gods firstborn

Exo_4:22 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:

 

[JaumeJ]

Some many worship a peoples an antichrist people. Jesus is Israel Gods firstborn

Exo_4:22 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:

This is glorious, and it wold comfort me for all to truly understand what this is saying, thank you and God bless you.

 

[Omegatime]

Some many worship a peoples an antichrist people. Jesus is Israel Gods firstborn

Exo_4:22 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:

This is glorious, and it wold comfort me for all to truly understand what this is saying, thank you and God bless you.

Was it not Jacob the Lord changed his name to Israel and from the 12 sons came the 12 tribes of Israel?

 

[Beckie]

Was it not Jacob the Lord changed his name to Israel and from the 12 sons came the 12 tribes of Israel?

Exo_4:22 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:
Do you believe the Israel God spoke of in the above verse is Jacob/Israel?

 

[Omegatime]

Exo_4:22 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:
Do you believe the Israel God spoke of in the above verse is Jacob/Israel?

YES, Israel ( Jacob) was the firstborn of the promise to Abraham

 

[Beckie]

YES, Israel ( Jacob) was the firstborn of the promise to Abraham

So to you Jacob/Israel is God first born not Jesus? I have never met any who is openly willing to say Jesus is second until now.. so sad
Exo_4:22 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:

Your honesty was pleasant

 

[AcceptedintheBeloved]

The answer is found in Luke 2:32: A light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel. So the sheep which were not of "this fold" ("thy people Israel") are in fact the Gentiles. There are a few of things to note regarding believing Gentiles:

1. Even though Christ was sent to the lost sheep of Israel, His first converts were in fact Gentiles -- Samaritans.

2. It was a Roman centurion -- a Gentile -- who exhibited more faith in Christ than anyone in Israel, and Jesus commended him for it.

3. It was the Gentile wise men -- the magoi or Magi -- who were the very first worshippers of Christ and brought Him costly gifts from a very great distance.

4. Today the Church primarily consists of Gentiles, not Jews. The gift of "tongues" (languages) in Acts 2 was a sign for unbelieving Jews to be saved. But only a small fraction were saved.

5. God does not make a mishmash of Jews and Gentiles. God still sees Israel as the twelve tribes, and He will redeem and restore Israel on earth. Gentiles DO NOT belong to "the house of Israel".

6. But God has reserved the New Jerusalem for the Church, which will primarily consist of Gentiles.

I will not endure this error.

 

[Nehemiah6]

I will not endure this error.

When someone calls truth "error" look out. You cannot dispute a single thing that was posted in that post.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Psa_119:176 I have gone astray like a lost sheep; seek thy servant; for I do not forget thy commandments.

Jer_50:6 My people hath been lost sheep: their shepherds have caused them to go astray, they have turned them away on the mountains: they have gone from mountain to hill, they have forgotten their resting place.

Mat_10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Mat_15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

before jesus died

“Mat_10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”

Then he said this to those that believed in him of Israel

“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

after he rose up

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭

there’s two stages Jesus came and was born among israel to fulfill the promises made of him in the ot he preached throughout Israel for about 2-3 years depending on how one measures the time , then he was explaining to all his disciples “ I’m teaching you the gospel offering you eternal life , and I’m going to send you out to all people preaching the same message to them offering them salvstion and eternal life and offering them adoption as children of God the Father through faith in Jesus Christ

since Abraham the fospel was promised for Israel first, most of them rejected Jesus a remnant received him and believed thier messiah Jesus sent the believers out to preach the same gospel to all other nations after he rose so there’s before Jesus died when he was exclusive to Israel because of the Old Testament requirements , when they rejected him and killed him he sent the gospel of the kingdom out to all other people and now anyone that believes Jew or gentile is of the same body and household of God


“Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham. ….that the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:7-9, 14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

abrahams promise is where the gospel really starts to take shape and it leads all the way to Jesus and believers being Abraham’s children and thus the elect children of God through the only son

The result is Gods eternal family being born over the vast expanses of time and generations

“Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

… For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:16, 26-27, 29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

When they killed Jesus after he preached the gospel to them this happened

“But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance. And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him. ( isreal rejected and condemned and cast Jesus outside the city gate to be crucified as a blasphemer)

When the Lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen? They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.

Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, The same is become the head of the corner: This is the Lord's doing, And it is marvellous in our eyes? Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭21:38-43‬ ‭

then he sent the few believers of Israel oit to spread the message of the gospel to them who will believe it.

what began in israel exclusively is now preached in all the world is by he point infact the Bible is written by Israelites almost exclusively the Old Testament is literally thier heritage and history as a people in those times they were the exclusive people , things changed though because they rejected god now anyone is able to enter into the family

 

[Grace911]

6. But God has reserved the New Jerusalem for the Church, which will primarily consist of Gentiles.

The New Jerusalem
Rev 21:9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.
Rev 21:10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
Rev 21:11 Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;
Rev 21:12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:
Rev 21:13 On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates.

If Gentiles are not Israelites, then please explain the New Jerusalem having 12 gates for the 12 tribes of Israel. I do not see anywhere in scriptures that the gentiles are the church and that the New Jerusalem is reserved for Gentiles.

I have heard of some dispensationalism where the church age replaces the Israelite age. But it is not consistent with the whole word of the Bible (66 books).

 

[Grace911]

before jesus died

“Mat_10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”

Then he said this to those that believed in him of Israel

“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

after he rose up

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭

there’s two stages Jesus came and was born among israel to fulfill the promises made of him in the ot he preached throughout Israel for about 2-3 years depending on how one measures the time , then he was explaining to all his disciples “ I’m teaching you the gospel offering you eternal life , and I’m going to send you out to all people preaching the same message to them offering them salvstion and eternal life and offering them adoption as children of God the Father through faith in Jesus Christ

since Abraham the fospel was promised for Israel first, most of them rejected Jesus a remnant received him and believed thier messiah Jesus sent the believers out to preach the same gospel to all other nations after he rose so there’s before Jesus died when he was exclusive to Israel because of the Old Testament requirements , when they rejected him and killed him he sent the gospel of the kingdom out to all other people and now anyone that believes Jew or gentile is of the same body and household of God


“Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham. ….that the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:7-9, 14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

abrahams promise is where the gospel really starts to take shape and it leads all the way to Jesus and believers being Abraham’s children and thus the elect children of God through the only son

The result is Gods eternal family being born over the vast expanses of time and generations

“Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

… For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:16, 26-27, 29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

When they killed Jesus after he preached the gospel to them this happened

“But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance. And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him. ( isreal rejected and condemned and cast Jesus outside the city gate to be crucified as a blasphemer)

When the Lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen? They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.

Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, The same is become the head of the corner: This is the Lord's doing, And it is marvellous in our eyes? Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭21:38-43‬ ‭

then he sent the few believers of Israel oit to spread the message of the gospel to them who will believe it.

what began in israel exclusively is now preached in all the world is by he point infact the Bible is written by Israelites almost exclusively the Old Testament is literally thier heritage and history as a people in those times they were the exclusive people , things changed though because they rejected god now anyone is able to enter into the family

The entire OT and NT is about Covenant Marriage. Period. The whole world is a product of the house of Israel being taken into captivity by the Assyrians. in 721/722 BC. The house of Israel had 390 years to return to YHWH, their husband. But they refused to repent of their whoredoms, worshipping idols and man-made traditions and was sentenced 7 times more for their sins. 390 x 7 = 2730 years. 721/722 BC PLUS 2730 years = 2008/2009 AD. During this period of punishment, the house of Israel lost their identity and forgot the LORD/YHWH. They married and intermarried where ever they wandered to. So today, it is not impossible, but with some diligent genealogy research, code of arms understanding, and even DNA migration patterns, and an understanding of languages and how their names became other names, transliterated I believe is the word I am looking for. So when we see John 3:16-21 and Jesus/Yeshua says:
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Joh 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Joh 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Joh 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
Joh 3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
Joh 3:21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

Again, the entire Bible is about that Covenant Marriage/relationship and the Kingdom of God/Heaven is to bring every lost from the Covenant Marriage person back into Covenant. You may believe that Gentiles/of the Nations is who you are, but unless you come into the Commonwealth of Israel, you are lost and will be considered to be like the tares (standing proud and never bowing down).

It does not matter if you are not descending from Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, because God/LORD/YHWH made a way for all strangers and aliens to become part of the Covenant relationship. There is ONE LAW for the homeborn and the same ONE LAW for the strangers and aliens.

This is the gospel. That whole world, all the Israelites, all the gentiles of the nations join the Commonwealth of Israel. Jesus/Yeshua said He want stop searching for that one lost lamb and when He does the whole creation will rejoice in this.

 

[Nehemiah6]

If Gentiles are not Israelites, then please explain the New Jerusalem having 12 gates for the 12 tribes of Israel. I do not see anywhere in scriptures that the gentiles are the church and that the New Jerusalem is reserved for Gentiles.

I did not say that only the Gentiles are the Church. I said that the Church consists PRIMARILY of Gentiles, since the majority of Jews rejected their Messiah. And God does not make a mishmash of the twelve tribes and the Gentiles. The New Jerusalem is indeed reserved for the Church (redeemed Jews and Gentiles in one Body as the Bride of Christ).

Now getting back to Revelation 21:12 what we see is simply that the names of the twelve tribes are written on those gates. But there is nothing written about the redeemed and restored twelve tribes having access to the New Jerusalem. Indeed they are given redeemed and restored Jerusalem on earth, and there are numerous prophecies which speak of that. Indeed there is an new temple in Jerusalem given to Israel by God as seen in Ezekiel.

So on one hand we have the Church in the heavenly city New Jerusalem, and we have believing Israel (the twelve tribes) having access to the temple in Jerusalem on earth. Obviously we do not have the full picture, just the broad strokes.

For God will save Zion [Jerusalem], and will build the cities of Judah: that they may dwell there, and have it in possession. The seed also of his servants shall inherit it: and they that love his name shall dwell therein. (Ps 69:35,36)

PSALM 102: JERUSALEM TO BE THE FUTURE CENTER OF WORSHIP ON EARTH
13Thou shalt arise, and have mercy upon Zion: for the time to favour her, yea, the set time, is come.
14 For thy servants take pleasure in her stones, and favour the dust thereof.
15 So the heathen shall fear the name of the LORD, and all the kings of the earth thy glory.
16 When the LORD shall build up Zion, he shall appear in his glory.
17 He will regard the prayer of the destitute, and not despise their prayer.
18 This shall be written for the generation to come: and the people which shall be created shall praise the LORD.
19 For he hath looked down from the height of his sanctuary; from heaven did the LORD behold the earth;
20 To hear the groaning of the prisoner; to loose those that are appointed to death;
21 To declare the name of the LORD in Zion, and his praise in Jerusalem;
22 When the people are gathered together, and the kingdoms, to serve the LORD.

The key to this prophecy is in verse 16. Christ will appear in His glory when He redeems and restores Jerusalem. Today Jerusalem is "Sodom and Egypt". But that will change in the future.

 

[Grace911]

Deu_30:3 That then the LORD thy God will turn thy captivity, and have compassion upon thee, and will return and gather thee from all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath scattered thee.

Eze_11:17 Therefore say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I will even gather you from the people, and assemble you out of the countries where ye have been scattered, and I will give you the land of Israel.

Eze_28:25 Thus saith the Lord GOD; When I shall have gathered the house of Israel from the people among whom they are scattered, and shall be sanctified in them in the sight of the heathen, then shall they dwell in their land that I have given to my servant Jacob.

Joh_11:52 And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.

The Torah is not just for the house of Judah or for the Jews only but for all nations/gentiles/house of Israel.\ and house of Judah.

 

[Nehemiah6]

The Torah is not just for the house of Judah or for the Jews only but for all nations/gentiles/house of Israel.\ and house of Judah.

HOUSE OF JUDAH + HOUSE OF ISRAEL = THE TWELVE TRIBES OF ISRAEL. PERIOD.

EZEKIEL 48: NO GENTILES INCLUDED!
Now these are the names of the tribes.
...a portion for Dan.
...a portion for Asher.
...a portion for Naphtali.
a portion for Manasseh.
...a portion for Ephraim.
...a portion for Reuben.
...a portion for Judah.
[An oblation for Levi]
As for the rest of the tribes...
...Benjamin shall have a portion.
...Simeon shall have a portion.
...Issachar a portion.
...Zebulun a portion.
...Gad a portion.

THE GATES OF THE CITY OF JERUSALEM ON EARTH: "THE LORD IS THERE"
...31And the gates of the city shall be after the names of the tribes of Israel: three gates northward; one gate of Reuben, one gate of Judah, one gate of Levi. 32And at the east side four thousand and five hundred: and three gates; and one gate of Joseph, one gate of Benjamin, one gate of Dan. 33And at the south side four thousand and five hundred measures: and three gates; one gate of Simeon, one gate of Issachar, one gate of Zebulun. 34At the west side four thousand and five hundred, with their three gates; one gate of Gad, one gate of Asher, one gate of Naphtali.
35It was round about eighteen thousand measures: and the name of the city from that day shall be, The LORD is there.

These are the actual gates for the twelve tribes. So making a mishmash of Gentiles with Israelites is pure fantasy.

 

[Grace911]

These are the actual gates for the twelve tribes. So making a mishmash of Gentiles with Israelites is pure fantasy.

Oh hodgepodge! When the Israelites left Egypt, there was a mishmash of strangers that also travelled with the Israelites. And what did the LORD?YHWH say about His Law?

Exodus 12:49 One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

Numbers 15:16 One law and one manner shall be for you, and for the stranger that sojourneth with you.

Numbers 15:29 Ye shall have one law for him that sinneth through ignorance, both for him that is born among the children of Israel, and for the stranger that sojourneth among them.

So where did these STRANGERS THAT SOJOURNETH with the Israelites stay? There was no encampment for THE STRANGERS. They blended into the Israelites camps and became a mishmash. This is how it will always be. You cannot separate the 21st day gentiles from the Israelites unless you join them to the heathens.

PUNISHMENT FOR DISOBEDIENCE
Leviticus 26:33 And I will scatter you among the heathen (Strong's H1471), and will draw out a sword after you: and your land shall be desolate, and your cities waste.
Leviticus 26:38 And ye shall perish among the heathen (Strong's H1471), and the land of your enemies shall eat you up.
Leviticus 26:45 But I will for their sakes remember the covenant of their ancestors, whom I brought forth out of the land of Egypt in the sight of the heathen (Strong's H1471), that I might be their God: I am the LORD.

H1471
גּי גּוי
gôy gôy
go’ee, go’-ee
Apparently from the same root as H1465 (in the sense of massing); a foreign nation; hence a Gentile; also (figuratively) a troop of animals, or a flight of locusts: - Gentile, heathen, nation, people.

Note: No Jews yet. 1st mention of Jews is 2 Kings 16:6

Leviticus 26:40 If they shall confess their iniquity, and the iniquity of their fathers, with their trespass which they trespassed against me, and that also they have walked contrary unto me;
Lev 26:41 And that I also have walked contrary unto them, and have brought them into the land of their enemies; if then their uncircumcised hearts be humbled, and they then accept of the punishment of their iniquity:
Lev 26:42 Then will I remember my covenant with Jacob, and also my covenant with Isaac, and also my covenant with Abraham will I remember; and I will remember the land.

Deu 4:27 And the LORD shall scatter you among the nations, and ye shall be left few in number among the heathen, whither the LORD shall lead you.
Deu 4:28 And there ye shall serve gods, the work of men's hands, wood and stone, which neither see, nor hear, nor eat, nor smell.
Deu 4:29 But if from thence thou shalt seek the LORD thy God, thou shalt find him, if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul.
Deu 4:30 When thou art in tribulation, and all these things are come upon thee, even in the latter days, if thou turn to the LORD thy God, and shalt be obedient unto his voice;
Deu 4:31 (For the LORD thy God is a merciful God he will not forsake thee, neither destroy thee, nor forget the covenant of thy fathers which he sware unto them.

The Father is watching the road daily to see if His prodigal son is coming home. The house of Israel is the prodigal son. When will you realize that eating the high on the hog is the same as wallowing in their mess?