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Gojira
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I am not entirely sure where I stand on the Ukraine issue. I do, however, take note of the last time we allowed a tyrant to invade a sovereign country without resistance or repercussions. Millions died globally. 12 million in Germany alone.
That being said, I also am not entirely uncertain that a nuclear exchange would not be exactly what the globalists want. Wreak the chaos and devastation, radioactively poison everything, and bang! Instant global crisis requiring a really, really big global 'reset'.
There is resistance and there have been repercussions.
Regardless of who is telling the truth or what the truth is you have to believe that Russia has used up a whole lot of weapons and men in this war, the cost has been quite high so far, and they certainly do not control all of Ukraine, not even half of Ukraine, so how are they going to go from Ukraine to Poland?
You are comparing this to Germany rolling into Austria unopposed? Or Germany taking Poland in a matter of weeks? It is not comparable. No one is appeasing Putin. The war has gone on for over 14 months.
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Gojira
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That is my point. This time, we are not allowing the tyrant to invade unopposed, nor should we. And, this is hardly without precedent.
We've waged the proxy war before during the Cold War. No nukes were exchanged. And, fear of that cannot allow a bully to be a bully. Although a much less confrontational solution would be for Biden to simply restart natural gas production and even reboot the Alaskan pipeline. We could cut off Russia's funding rather quickly. But, that's not going to happen. The moronic 55% or so of the American people have spoken, putting hardcore globalist Leftists into power (assuming no election shenanigans, since the saintly Dems would never do that).
Will a nuclear exchange happen? I doubt it, but it would not stun me. I do believe there's a global conspiracy, led by one being who tried this thousands of years ago in Babylon. And, he does not care how many image-bearers he has to destroy (or how many eggs he has to break), to get his boy onto the scene.
No one is arguing to allow a bully to be a bully. There was never any debate over whether or not to sent $100 billion to Ukraine because no one ever asked.
Some have pointed out the hypocrisy in the Democrats saying $4 billion is too much to build the wall on our Southern border yet don't even blink when Ukraine is sent $100 billion.
The argument is over whether or not the US should be taking the lead or NATO should be taking the lead, and whether or not the US should escalate this proxy war with counterstrikes on Russia. For example, if this is essential to support Ukraine to the point the US is willing to spend over $100 billion it seems to me that the EU should be willing to spend more than that to help Ukraine.
The Crimea was always Russian the people there voted overwhelmingly to rejoin the Russian federation, there were no shots fired, no riots, no-one has been arrested or disappeared. Yet the west applied stringent sanctions on Russia.
Sanctions are an act of war, it is the ancient art of siege warfare modernised.
The Donbas and other eastern parts of Ukraine also voted to rejoin Russia in 2012 but because the vote was not overwhelming [57%] with another 15% wishing to be independent of both Moscow and Kiev Putin decided not to allow them to join the Russian Federation.
The Minkst accord was set up and agreed and signed by the EU, Kiev and Russia guaranteeing the right of Eastern Ukraine to autonomy from Ukraine. The very next day Kiev sent the army down to begin shelling those poor Russian [ethnic] villagers men women and children. That went on for 8 years totally unreported by the western media. Thousands were killed.
Putin repeatedly warned he would protect those Russian people, he has been warning for more than 30 years that he will not have America on his doorstep. In 2022 Ukraine declared they would join the EU and NATO.
War was inevitable.
I am not a lover of Vladymir Putin but he has done everything straight down the line so far. The west are the aggressors.
This may well turn into the Gog Magog war of Ezekiel.
When Georgia declared they would join the EU and NATO Russia sent in the tanks and Clinton told the Georgian president to negotiate. that's what Trump would have done.
The Biden family have billions of dollars wrapped up in Ukraine.
Not only so, Biden is a freemason and Ukraine is the center of Moloch and Baal worship with their child trafficking.
This is Russian propaganda. I know it sneaks in everywhere and blurs the truth.
Russia began paying Russian loyalists to move to Ukraine, especially Crimea to spread propaganda and cause dissent with the Ukrainian government for the past 20 years. They also did this successfully in the Donbas region.
Russian Oligarchs also began a campaign of "Mafia style deals" (ones you can't refuse) with every bit of leadership in the towns.
The "elections" in Crimea and Donbas have not been free or fair for a long time. It's along the lines of Jews voting in Palestinian elections....wrong on several levels.
Where cities in Crimea like Sevastopol are almost exclusively Russian....not that many were truly loyalists. Sevastopol might be the Russian Navy home port....the rest of Crimea has been neglected and had no infrastructure created by the Russian government. So in the last fair free election they voted to stay a part of Ukraine. (This was towards the middle Bush's Presidency)
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Gojira
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Hmm... I do not know enough to confirm or contradict what you said here, but something doesn't 'feel' right about it. I certainly may be wrong, and if I am, I apologize. But, I have little more to go on than that gut.
Either way, right or wrong, I believe Leftists all over the globe would like nothing more than such a conflict to escalate into something insane, so that the world's populations surrender whatever freedoms they have in exchange for 'security'.
Nope, JohnDB's words are pure and trustworthy, everyone else who dares to speak anything different is simply working for Putin.
***BREAKING*** MASSIVE EXPLOSION - THE BEAR GOT HIT - ALERT SENT OUT
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the most anticipated war in human history! We have two colossal titans in the ring tonight, ready to go head-to-head in a battle to decide who gets to go to Armageddon. Let's get ready to rumble!
Round 1: Russia and Ukraine step into the center of the ring, eyeing each other intently. The bell rings, and the fight is underway! They cautiously circle each other, measuring their distance, looking for an opening. Russia throws a quick jab, testing Ukraine's defense, but it's blocked effortlessly. The crowd roars with anticipation.
Round 2: "Ukraine" takes the initiative this round, launching a blistering combination of oil pipelines being destroyed while shaming the world into giving them more money. Russia manages to evade most of the punches setting up BRICS and coming back strong from the sanctions, showing incredible agility. But wait, Ukraine lands a thunderous right hook to the Kremlin! The crowd is on its feet, electrified by the thought that this could start a nuclear war.
Round 3: The intensity in the ring is palpable. Russia retaliates with a series of lightning-fast jabs, blowing up Ukraine's armory full of depleted Uranium, resulting in the biggest dirty bomb in all of human history followed up by taking out a Patriot Missile site and then with a massive flurry of missile on Ukraine. "Ukraine" counters with a powerful attack on Russia's soil
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the most anticipated war in human history! We have two colossal titans in the ring tonight, ready to go head-to-head in a battle to decide who gets to go to Armageddon. Let's get ready to rumble!
Round 1: Russia and Ukraine step into the center of the ring, eyeing each other intently. The bell rings, and the fight is underway! They cautiously circle each other, measuring their distance, looking for an opening. Russia throws a quick jab, testing Ukraine's defense, but it's blocked effortlessly. The crowd roars with anticipation.
Round 2: "Ukraine" takes the initiative this round, launching a blistering combination of oil pipelines being destroyed while shaming the world into giving them more money. Russia manages to evade most of the punches setting up BRICS and coming back strong from the sanctions, showing incredible agility. But wait, Ukraine lands a thunderous right hook to the Kremlin! The crowd is on its feet, electrified by the thought that this could start a nuclear war.
Round 3: The intensity in the ring is palpable. Russia retaliates with a series of lightning-fast jabs, blowing up Ukraine's armory full of depleted Uranium, resulting in the biggest dirty bomb in all of human history followed up by taking out a Patriot Missile site and then with a massive flurry of missile on Ukraine. "Ukraine" counters with a powerful attack on Russia's soil