Christians and Medical Cannabis

[joecoten]

Is there not a 'not' missing in a place whereby if it were placed there would not cause confusion concerning what you have not done in over 18 years...?

But, the real question is - were you vaping at the time when you did not put the 'not' in the place whereby since it was not placed it did not help the sentence to make more sense?

Did I not say all of that not nonsense plainly enough?

(the truth of your real intent seems to have been preserved by the word 'in')

That was naughty of you to not not confuse me like that! Though my attempt at humor may be for naught!

 

[joecoten]

I said struggle...not really. The lowest amount of nicotine vape juice is 3 mg. I just bought bottles of 3 and 0 mg. and am mixing it half and half. I think it's more of a habit than anything. As I'm feeling better and am starting to get to church regularly, I think I will once again be nicotine-free before long!
Now I'm going to play my dread"naught" guitar for awhile!

 

[ThaddeusFields]

I know it's a bit off-topic by now since the discussion deviated from the original post, but I just couldn't help wondering... Is it really wise to put so much faith in modern pharmaceuticals without recognizing the other medicinal options that have been bestowed on us by the Lord? The way I see it, no drug (legal or otherwise) should be taken without consulting experts and God himself – and that includes cannabis. While it can help soothe chronic pain and other medical issues, as well as replacing things like anti-depressants, it's still vitally important to stay within the letter of the law and not overdo it – it's all about finding the right balance. If modern medicine hasn't offered up anything suitable for your symptoms, why not try out some of the best hemp CBD oils out there? Just be sure to use them responsibly and keep in mind that moderation is key. Hope this helps, newbie out!

 

[ThyKingdomComeSoon]

Why don't Christians use Cannabis for health issues? It is legal in some places, even for recreation. Like wine used for the stomach or for a wedding celebration in the Bible, cannabis is from God. Like all things that God gave us, everything he created has it's purpose for moderate use. Cannabis is not a chemical concoction invented in a lab by a corporate interest.

Have you ever heard of Medical Viagra? Is it a "Drug"? When did a "Drug" developed solely for the purpose of having more sex become "Medical"? Yet, Christians use it. What about all the anti-depressants and behavioral drugs that we pump into children; or what about weight loss drugs? Not to mention and all the known side affects.

We take drugs because we don't know how to live, or use the medicine that God gave us. I thank God for giving me Cannabis, otherwise, I might ignorantly submit to taking "drugs" like so many "Christians". That's not the only natural medicine I use, there's also a world of proven herbs and spices that the artificial world doesn't acknowledge. Often the corporate interests, influences authorities so that we're only allowed to use the product they produce from a plant. Which in turn alters the healing properties of the natural source so that it doesn't work as it should. None of what I'm saying is new knowledge.

God didn't create our bodies to process the chemicals that we put into them by means of drugs or food products. If we want to heal we must turn to God and what he has given us. Of course, we are obligated by God to obey the laws of the land as long as they don't obligate us to disobey God. If we live in a "Free" state then you only have to see what the Bible says at Gen 1:24, that God made all seed and plant and it is good.

All "Good" things in moderation. I'm not saying that all drugs that the doctor prescribes is bad, but we need to examine ourselves and care for our health within the letter of the law. And where the law says Cannabis is legal, God approves too. It's done wonders for my chronic pain and for others in my family who use it for various medical conditions. We have reduced our medical health care needs because we aren't having all the illness/side effects caused by some of the drugs we were provided by our doctors. Sometimes the cannabis simply allows someone to take less of a dangerous drug. What's wrong with that?

If a Christian chooses to use cannabis for medical conditions they should abide by the local law. If a Christian chooses to use cannabis for recreational purpose as they would alcohol, then they should likewise, abide by the local law (age and use requirements) and God's law of moderation.

If you disagree with the premiss of this post. Please use scriptural counsel and reference to prove your point. Keep in mind, that if you are a true Christian, you should appreciate that the only opinion that really matters, is God's opinion. If you have a problem with what he created, then your case is with him, not me. My intention is to open up an intelligent discussion based on God's principles about the things that he has provided for us.

Cannabis contains many different molecules, THC causes the high effect, CBD is known to have many medical benefits, this is documented. Cannabis contains also many different terpenes that modulate the effects of CBD and THC. It is a complex synergy that is not well understood

Available now are oils rich in the good molecule CBD and very poor in THC that causes the "high" it is best to consult about this for medical reasons, many doctors know about the benefits of CBD oils. As for smoking it, like tobacco it can cause cancer and if best to be avoided.


Blessings.

 

[KatrinaGarner]

It's a thought-provoking topic, for sure. I've personally been exploring the world of CBD and have found it to be incredibly helpful for managing pain in my joints. I opt for THC-free CBD products, so it doesn't make me feel high, but it does provide relief.

 

[NifferGenX]

I don’t get high from THC products. I suffered for 20 years with HORRIFIC migraines while living in a state that outlaws it. Now I live in a place where it’s legal, and the difference is LIFE CHANGING! I use thc drops. Literally 2-3 drops is all it takes. I thank God for creating such an amazing plant to help us!
I also use other natural products like devils claw, feverfew, etc

 

[Magenta]

I know it's a bit off-topic by now since the discussion deviated from the original post, but I just couldn't help wondering... Is it really wise to put so much faith in modern pharmaceuticals without recognizing the other medicinal options that have been bestowed on us by the Lord? The way I see it, no drug (legal or otherwise) should be taken without consulting experts and God himself – and that includes cannabis. While it can help soothe chronic pain and other medical issues, as well as replacing things like anti-depressants, it's still vitally important to stay within the letter of the law and not overdo it – it's all about finding the right balance. If modern medicine hasn't offered up anything suitable for your symptoms, why not try out some of the best hemp CBD oils out there? Just be sure to use them responsibly and keep in mind that moderation is key. Hope this helps, newbie out!

It's a thought-provoking topic, for sure. I've personally been exploring the world of CBD and have found it to be incredibly helpful for managing pain in my joints. I opt for THC-free CBD products, so it doesn't make me feel high, but it does provide relief.

I don’t get high from THC products. I suffered for 20 years with HORRIFIC migraines while living in a state that outlaws it. Now I live in a place where it’s legal, and the difference is LIFE CHANGING! I use thc drops. Literally 2-3 drops is all it takes. I thank God for creating such an amazing plant to help us!
I also use other natural products like devils claw, feverfew, etc

Welcome!

 

[JohnDB]

Incongruencies abound with people.

On one hand people are scared to death of a vaccine that greatly reduces their chances of dying from a pandemic....they are extremely vocal and angrily shouting at everyone about it.
BUT
At the same time they demand Marijuana so they can get stoned out of their minds or ingest CBD which real research scientists still are unsure of all the effects on humans...the few effects the do definitely know demonstrate harmful effects.

Not just one study but hundreds have been done on these two things....

But people can quote almost verbatim all the hackjob studies done by the janitor at a hospital in the middle of nowhere who claims that the "establishment " doesn't want you to know the truth.

Being married to a person who is deeply involved in medical research I can tell quite frankly the "establishment " has done honest research. The janitor? Not a single bit of his claims have been reproduced in clinical trials beyond a placebo effect. (In fact usually below a placebo effect ratio)

And I find it disturbing that the truth tellers are being vilified while the liars are being heralded as heroes.


Here's the truth....
If you ingest CBD the labs have a difficult time removing all the THC...so where you might not get stoned you will test positive on drug tests. Meaning if you somehow get injured at work you will not get a dime to pay the medical bills and be unemployed from getting fired with cause and not receive any unemployment benefits.
Or if you get pulled over for DUI you still will need proof that you were not stoned on THC....good luck! But it's a losing case.
Take some Tylenol....it's cheaper and less expensive than CBD and has fewer risks.

 

[Eli1]

And I find it disturbing that the truth tellers are being vilified while the liars are being heralded as heroes.

I find it funny because it’s always better to laugh then cry.
Some people here in this forum who Lack self awareness just insert themselves like idiots into a complicated topic like cancer and say things like “oh no, can she stop chemo and drink some tea?”.

Its Difficult to laugh at this when you factor in the emotional toll, the uncertainty and the grief that any disease can bring (especially cancer) but like I said it’s always better to laugh then cry.
Everyone has a journey to make and things to learn.

And this phenomenon of janitor “experts” and whacko conspiracy theorists is not just something in this forum by the way, but in almost every other area of life, because the internet has turned people into zombies.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

I find it funny because it’s always better to laugh then cry.
Some people here in this forum who Lack self awareness just insert themselves like idiots into a complicated topic like cancer and say things like “oh no, can she stop chemo and drink some tea?”.

Its Difficult to laugh at this when you factor in the emotional toll, the uncertainty and the grief that any disease can bring (especially cancer) but like I said it’s always better to laugh then cry.
Everyone has a journey to make and things to learn.

And this phenomenon of janitor “experts” and whacko conspiracy theorists is not just something in this forum by the way, but in almost every other area of life, because the internet has turned people into zombies.

Who said that?
I used the search function and the ONLY person who I was able to find saying that is Eli1.

 

[Bob-Carabbio]

If I get a compound fracture and the doctor gives me morphine while I await surgery, I'm practicing witchcraft? Hm.

Yup - when they split my chest to re-plumb by heart, both times "phine" was really good, and when that wasn't enough Mor-phine did the job. I still remember the warm feeling it gave me, when they put it in the IV. Nowadays it takes Tramadol to stay the pain. Last time I refilled it, they gave me a supply of Narcan. They (the ones who protect us against ourselves) are getting paranoid about "opiates" these days.

 

[Magenta]

Yup - when they split my chest to re-plumb by heart, both times "phine" was really good, and when that wasn't enough Mor-phine did the job. I still remember the warm feeling it gave me, when they put it in the IV. Nowadays it takes Tramadol to stay the pain. Last time I refilled it, they gave me a supply of Narcan. They (the ones who protect us against ourselves) are getting paranoid about "opiates" these days.

According to some, if you so much as take an aspirin you are lacking in faith .

 

[Bob-Carabbio]

According to some, if you so much as take an aspirin you are lacking in faith .

And according to "Some" the Earth is FLAT, and there's "Global warming", and we've never been to the moon. SO much for what "Some" say.

But to be clear, I HAVE NO FAITH that God has any intention of HEALING ME of my physical issues (Diabetes - type 2, Coronary artery disease, degenerative back issues, and congestive heart failure).

I also know Biblically, and by actual experience that occasionally GOD HEALS MIRACULOUSLY.

And there no contradictions there. God's gifts are ministered by the Holy Spirit AS HE WILLS, and ACCORDING TO HIS SCHEDULE - NOT according to our opinion of what He should do.

Simple as that.

If you belonged to "Faith Fellowship" in Warsaw Indiana back in the '70s, you could NEVER take drugs (including over the counter pain medication), you could NEVER go to a doctor (including for pregnancy, and delivery - "midwives" approved by the church were permitted), and you had to CANCEL ALL YOUR INSURANCES (Home, automobile, life, etc.),ouyvf because those things were based on DOUBT that God would take care odf you. Hobart Freeman was the pastor there.

His "Body count" was well over 100, by the time the State took an interest, and Hobart himself died of a completely treatable infection that "God had healed him of".

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

I don’t get high from THC products. I suffered for 20 years with HORRIFIC migraines while living in a state that outlaws it. Now I live in a place where it’s legal, and the difference is LIFE CHANGING! I use thc drops. Literally 2-3 drops is all it takes. I thank God for creating such an amazing plant to help us!
I also use other natural products like devils claw, feverfew, etc

You ladies testimonies reminded me of this story of a child who constantly experienced seizures on the Rx drugs. Those who are married to the medical only model probably think this mother is a Bob Marley stoner for trying to help her child. Here's the Story.
Click the to listen to her video. It's short.
I don't use this, but was glad to hear that you as well as this child don't have any more neurological suffering.

 

[resto]

It's a thought-provoking topic, for sure. I've personally been exploring the world of CBD and have found it to be incredibly helpful for managing pain in my joints. I opt for THC-free CBD products, so it doesn't make me feel high, but it does provide relief.

Since I retired, I can now use Full Spectrum CBD. I was amazed by how well it clears up certain issues. Full spectrum CDB I use has .3% THC. It doesnt make me High at all. The THC helps the CBD absorb more efficiently. I use the Gummies. I dont move around in my sleep from joint discomfort anymore. I wake up in the same position I fell asleep in. Stiff but I stretch it out. Because of the Joint relief I fall asleep more naturally. My skin isnt as sensitive to irritants as it was. Im highly allergic to the Desert. The joint discomfort was the reason I tried CBD. So far it works for me. I havent noticed any side effects yet. i eat one 25 MG Gummy one hour before bed. When I leave the desert I wont need CBD anymore. I noticed that when I was working in the South Pacific Jungles, I didnt have joint problems. I should be back in SE Asian Jungle by Aug 1 this year. Ill post what happens when I stop taking CBD

 

[Karlon]

Why don't Christians use Cannabis for health issues? It is legal in some places, even for recreation. Like wine used for the stomach or for a wedding celebration in the Bible, cannabis is from God. Like all things that God gave us, everything he created has it's purpose for moderate use. Cannabis is not a chemical concoction invented in a lab by a corporate interest.

Have you ever heard of Medical Viagra? Is it a "Drug"? When did a "Drug" developed solely for the purpose of having more sex become "Medical"? Yet, Christians use it. What about all the anti-depressants and behavioral drugs that we pump into children; or what about weight loss drugs? Not to mention and all the known side affects.

We take drugs because we don't know how to live, or use the medicine that God gave us. I thank God for giving me Cannabis, otherwise, I might ignorantly submit to taking "drugs" like so many "Christians". That's not the only natural medicine I use, there's also a world of proven herbs and spices that the artificial world doesn't acknowledge. Often the corporate interests, influences authorities so that we're only allowed to use the product they produce from a plant. Which in turn alters the healing properties of the natural source so that it doesn't work as it should. None of what I'm saying is new knowledge.

God didn't create our bodies to process the chemicals that we put into them by means of drugs or food products. If we want to heal we must turn to God and what he has given us. Of course, we are obligated by God to obey the laws of the land as long as they don't obligate us to disobey God. If we live in a "Free" state then you only have to see what the Bible says at Gen 1:24, that God made all seed and plant and it is good.

All "Good" things in moderation. I'm not saying that all drugs that the doctor prescribes is bad, but we need to examine ourselves and care for our health within the letter of the law. And where the law says Cannabis is legal, God approves too. It's done wonders for my chronic pain and for others in my family who use it for various medical conditions. We have reduced our medical health care needs because we aren't having all the illness/side effects caused by some of the drugs we were provided by our doctors. Sometimes the cannabis simply allows someone to take less of a dangerous drug. What's wrong with that?

If a Christian chooses to use cannabis for medical conditions they should abide by the local law. If a Christian chooses to use cannabis for recreational purpose as they would alcohol, then they should likewise, abide by the local law (age and use requirements) and God's law of moderation.

If you disagree with the premiss of this post. Please use scriptural counsel and reference to prove your point. Keep in mind, that if you are a true Christian, you should appreciate that the only opinion that really matters, is God's opinion. If you have a problem with what he created, then your case is with him, not me. My intention is to open up an intelligent discussion based on God's principles about the things that he has provided for us.

when the use of cannabis becomes a pleasure as in being "high", i don't believe that's the proper intended use. as Proverbs 23;31,32 says, "look thou not upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his color in the cup, when it moveth itself aright, for at the last, it biteth like a serpent & stingeth like an adder"! if their are true healing qualities in cannabis, that's all it's for.

 

[Tall_Timbers]

If my doctor suggested I try cannabis for something that ails me, I'd probably be willing to try it. That won't happen any time soon as I get my care through the VA and marijuana is still illegal Federally. I already take a prescribed controlled substance for pain, as needed, and lots of other meds on a daily basis.

 

[JohnDB]

If my doctor suggested I try cannabis for something that ails me, I'd probably be willing to try it. That won't happen any time soon as I get my care through the VA and marijuana is still illegal Federally. I already take a prescribed controlled substance for pain, as needed, and lots of other meds on a daily basis.

Yeah well...
Some people want the Salvation and "good guy" moniker Jesus has to offer but refuse to surrender their lives to him.

They want Jesus and recreational drugs.
They want Jesus and sexual immorality.
They want Jesus and a sinful lifestyle.

Don't be fooled....the man of God must flee from sin.

 

[Magenta]

Since I retired, I can now use Full Spectrum CBD. I was amazed by how well it clears up certain issues.
Full spectrum CDB I use has .3% THC. It doesnt make me High at all. The THC helps the CBD absorb more
efficiently. I use the Gummies. I dont move around in my sleep from joint discomfort anymore. I wake up
in the same position I fell asleep in. Stiff but I stretch it out. Because of the Joint relief I fall asleep more
naturally. My skin isnt as sensitive to irritants as it was. Im highly allergic to the Desert. The joint
discomfort was the reason I tried CBD. So far it works for me. I havent noticed any side effects yet.
I eat one 25 MG Gummy one hour before bed. When I leave the desert I wont need CBD anymore.
I noticed that when I was working in the South Pacific Jungles, I didnt have joint problems. I should
be back in SE Asian Jungle by Aug 1 this year. Ill post what happens when I stop taking CBD

Any updates on this since arriving in Bangkok?

 

[WMarkB]

I haven’t read the replies, but I’ll say this: I’ve had this very question myself. I’ve had times in my life I’ve needed to take very strong narcotic pain killers (Rx from my Dr post surgery and/or injury - never got hooked). So I myself question why not use it for medicinal uses?