Angels can procreate

Lucy-Pevensie · May 13, 2023

Actually we don't know if we will eat & drink in heaven. We can reasonably deduce that we will eat & drink after our resurrection.
Jesus was quite clear we won't be marrying. There is no reason to assume we will be having orgies for 1000 years while Jesus reigns.

I'm asking you to imagine a state of being where you don't need nor even think about sex. You are a new creature (physically)
You don't have hormones driving you crazy. I'm not going to say I know for sure, we are given very little information about
our future immortal state. We do know it will be good though. If you won't even consider an existence without those carnal
desires you can't look forward. You can only look to being locked into the same dilemma you have now for eternity.

Think outside the box (so to speak)

HeIsHere · May 13, 2023

Pilgrimshope said:

the whole issue is that we don’t first read the things we’re explaining

“which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭3:38‬ ‭KJV‬‬

When God created all creation he made one final creation to rule over what he had made he made this particular creature in a distinct way different from any other creature the lord had made

“And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:26-28‬ ‭KJV‬‬

this is the origin and meaning of the terminology “ the sons of God “ they are the single and only creature created in his image and likeness.

God having to sons isnt the same as when a man has a son through pro creation , Gods children are those he created in his image and likeness and gave freedom and dominion on earth and rule over all the other creatures of earth just as God the father rules all of heaven , man his son is meant to rule all the earth in his nature of goodness and truth and peace for life and not death as man has done

angels were never made in Gods image , God never created an earthly physical Body for them because of this

“being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance ( children inherit ) obtained a more excellent name than they.

For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, This day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, And he shall be to me a Son?

And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, And his ministers a flame of fire.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭1:4-7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Hebrews one alone seperates men from angels in that very thing angels aren’t the children of God but his spiritual heavenly servants who worship Jesus the son of God

christians are born into the body of Christ as the sons of God through true worship of the true God found in the gospel

Hebrews two then Further cements the seperation of the two creatures distinction again being who the children are

“Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; ( why he became flesh )that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; ( Jesus the son didn’t become like an angel but the seed of a particular man ) but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭2:14, 16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It’s also why angels aren’t the ones being redeemed and offered salvation from sin .

The sons of God were the line of Seth

rhe daughters of men they married were the children of cain who had already been cast out of Gods people and began his own city.

God wants his people to marry and find his people it’s why he forbade intermarriage between israel and other nations who worshipped other gods It’s still not a good idea for instance for a Christian man to seek out and find a witch to marry it’s always going to lead the good astray and corrupt

This isn't intriguing, new and exciting, it doesn't sell books and movies, but it is the truth, plain and simple.

Thank you and Amen!

Mem · May 13, 2023

When the angels were in Sodom and Gomorrah collecting Lot

Magenta said:

Interesting, thank you. I love closer looks at scripture and realize this view is the generally accepted one, or at least the historically adopted one. After being equipped with the knowledge that the original word translated as "strange" is hetero, I searched "flesh" in scripture to determine if any distinctions and came to 1 Cor 15:39 contain mention of it, "Not all flesh (sarx) is the same: Men have one kind of flesh, animals have another, birds another, and fish another," and notice only natural examples are provided there. Then in the next verse, as it appears to me, a transition is made into the subject and comparison of bodies (soma), and these include the sun and the stars as possessing their own "kind" of body, and wonder why no other body has ever taken on the form of the moon, not even just for kix....
Anyway, I wonder if "strange flesh" might insinuate things such as people joke about happening in the foothills or the back alleys of Tiauna, as that would be the natural progression once man(kind) become 'bored' with what would otherwise become ordinary flesh to them.

The_Watchers_2017 · May 13, 2023

Clayman said:

There's only 22 Letters in the Hebrew Alphabet, the same number as Books of the Tanakh. The Alphabet is converted Egyptian Heiroglyphs into Hebrew Characters.

Any given word can be defined several ways.

Sons of God and Divine Beings are exactly Both the Same thing.

Psalms 82 shows where God calls them Both, Divine Beings who are Sons of God but will DIE LIKE HUMAN MEN.

The_Watchers_2017 · May 13, 2023

Evmur said:

It is because you push Jesus said this about HEAVEN and you are mad because the Holy Spirit said what they did on Earth.

Yeah, I bet you do hate what the Holy Spirt did because it proves You wrong.

The_Watchers_2017 · May 13, 2023

There's only 22 Letters in the Hebrew Alphabet, the same number as Books of the Tanakh. The Alphabet is converted Egyptian Heiroglyphs into Hebrew Characters.

Any given word can be defined several ways.

Sons of God and Divine Beings are exactly Both the Same thing.

Psalms 82 shows where God calls them Both, Divine Beings who are Sons of God but will DIE LIKE HUMAN MEN.
6 I said, “You are gods,
sons of the Most High, all of you;
7 nevertheless, like men you shall die

אֲֽנִי־אָ֭מַרְתִּי אֱלֹהִ֣ים אַתֶּ֑ם וּבְנֵ֖י עֶלְי֣וֹן כֻּלְּכֶֽם׃

I said, You are divine beings,
sons of the Most High, all of you;

אָ֭כֵן כְּאָדָ֣ם תְּמוּת֑וּן וּכְאַחַ֖ד הַשָּׂרִ֣ים תִּפֹּֽלוּ׃
but you shall die as men do

The_Watchers_2017 · May 13, 2023

Mem said:

When the angels were in Sodom and Gomorrah collecting Lot

Interesting, thank you. I love closer looks at scripture and realize this view is the generally accepted one, or at least the historically adopted one. After being equipped with the knowledge that the original word translated as "strange" is hetero, I searched "flesh" in scripture to determine if any distinctions and came to 1 Cor 15:39 contain mention of it, "Not all flesh (sarx) is the same: Men have one kind of flesh, animals have another, birds another, and fish another," and notice only natural examples are provided there. Then in the next verse, as it appears to me, a transition is made into the subject and comparison of bodies (soma), and these include the sun and the stars as possessing their own "kind" of body, and wonder why no other body has ever taken on the form of the moon, not even just for kix....
Anyway, I wonder if "strange flesh" might insinuate things such as people joke about happening in the foothills or the back alleys of Tiauna, as that would be the natural progression once man(kind) become 'bored' with what would otherwise become ordinary flesh to them.

The Word of God tells us these men were trying to have homosexual intercourse with these Angels.

Like the Holy Spirit shows us, on EARTH, Sex with things can happen that cannot in Heaven.

Bruce_Leiter · May 13, 2023

JohnB said:

This is the only passage in which your interpretation might be entertained. However, if you trace the geneologies in the previous chapters, the "sons of God" are the believers in the line of Seth from Adam, and the "daughters of humans" are the unbelievers in the line from Cain, all of whom intermarried except for Noah's family and were corrupted.

The_Watchers_2017 · May 13, 2023

Clayman said:

We have example after example where the Bible tells us that Paul was excellent in the Torah, follower of the Torah, Jesus fulfilled the Torah. Nowhere, at least in any true reputable Bible version of the New Testament one uses [3rd Century is most accurate], they will always see Followers of/Fulfilled the TORAH, never the Pentateuch.

24 Take them, and purify yourself along with them and pay their expenses, so that they may shave their heads. That way, all will realize there is nothing to the things they have been told about you, but that you yourself walk in an orderly manner, keeping the Torah.

28 shouting, “Men of Israel, help! This is the man who is teaching all men everywhere against our people and the Torah and this place. Besides, he has even brought Greeks into the Temple and defiled this holy place!”

Nothing Greek, not even the Septuagint and Pentateuch is even ALLOWED into the Temple of God.

It's 100% TORAH/TANAKH!!

The Ancient Jews of Paul's day shows us clearly everyone was Versed around the Torah, not the Greek Version of anything was valued by them!

Pilgrimshope · May 13, 2023

HeIsHere said:

yes I believe it’s relatively in line with what’s true in the Bible . I think one of the main things we should do is look at what the Bible establishes early on like this

“which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭3:38‬ ‭KJV‬‬

this tells us adam the first man was the son of God. Created in his image and likeness and given dominion upon earth so we can already see what it actually means that Adam was called Gods son

“This is the book of the generation of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭5:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It’s the creatures God makes in his own image and gave dominion notice this part God has a realm that is his he rules but man has a realm also that’s been given to him by God to rule

“The heaven, even the heavens, are the LORD's

your father in heaven )

But the earth hath he given to the children of men.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭115:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

What domain do angels rule ? They don’t have a realm to rule because they aren’t the hiers of God they are spiritual servants of God. And also angels are ministers to mankind who inherit salvation because they are the hiers the children

“But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, Until I make thine enemies thy footstool? Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭1:13-14‬ ‭

There’s nothing in scriptire to say angels inherit from God as the children mankind do

“The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: and if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭8:16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

We can’t deny that mankind is the chosen children of God , one could argue angels are too but as far as I know the Bible particularly makes the distinction calling only man the children at any point and angels seem to have a whole dofferent role in things not as the sons of God but as the spiritual servants of God to minister to mankind who inherit salvstion through Christ the only begotten who seems to me at least to be the one and only way to be born a child of God

But it’s just what I myself believe the scripture concludes I’ve been wrong before and probably will be a few more times before I’m home

JohnB · May 13, 2023

Bruce_Leiter said:

This is the only passage in which your interpretation might be entertained. However, if you trace the geneologies in the previous chapters, the "sons of God" are the believers in the line of Seth from Adam, and the "daughters of humans" are the unbelievers in the line from Cain, all of whom intermarried except for Noah's family and were corrupted.

So were the daughters of Cain really ugly?

JohnB · May 13, 2023

Lucy-Pevensie said:

Actually we don't know if we will eat & drink in heaven. We can reasonably deduce that we will eat & drink after our resurrection.
Jesus was quite clear we won't be marrying. There is no reason to assume we will be having orgies for 1000 years while Jesus reigns.

I'm asking you to imagine a state of being where you don't need nor even think about sex. You are a new creature (physically)
You don't have hormones driving you crazy. I'm not going to say I know for sure, we are given very little information about
our future immortal state. We do know it will be good though. If you won't even consider an existence without those carnal
desires you can't look forward. You can only look to being locked into the same dilemma you have now for eternity.

Think outside the box (so to speak)

Jesus said there is no marriage in heaven. You don't need to be married to have sex.

Cameron143 · May 13, 2023

JohnB said:

Isn't sex outside marriage sin? Is there sin in heaven?

HeIsHere · May 13, 2023

JohnB said:

Please find a mature Christian who can teach you to properly understand God/the faith/Jesus, maybe then you will have grace and peace.

Pilgrimshope · May 13, 2023

iamsoandso said:

aid say it’s a physical pattern of good believing god fearing people like abel driven by the spiritual life within

And non believing wicked and rebellious people driven by lusts of the flesh

I believe that the gospel is how Gods people are found in the world physical flesh and blood was what the ot is based on but the New Testament is a new beginning for Gods people they aren’t from any specific bloodline but only from adams bloodline

you know how the New Testament says you have to be born again to enter the kingdom ?

Gods sons now from any nationality or race of man are born because of this alone

“He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. He came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:10-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

And a bit more detail is here

“For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. ( you’ve put on the son ) And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:26-27, 29‬ ‭

remember earlier regarding Abraham’s seed

“For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭2:16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I’d say that chrortoans should look for believers in Jesus this would be the nt equivalent of being born of Seth’s line in the ot remember that through Seth’s line is when they began to call on the name of the lord

“And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭4:26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

And remember what makes Gods sons now ?

“as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name”

the same thing made them the sons of God then they called upon the name of the lord in thier worship like those after the flood couldn’t do until Jesus was revealed

belief in Jesus is what matters regarding who is Gods people so we want in my own opinion to seek out believers and those willing to believe the gospel that’s written in the Bible just my two cents though wouldnt be change for a dollar or anything

Magenta · May 13, 2023

JohnB said:

Pilgrimshope said:

^ There is your answer, John...

HeIsHere · May 13, 2023

Magenta said:

Are you surprised?

seoulsearch · May 13, 2023

JohnB said:

Cameron143 said:

I've already tried asking him this about 3 different times.

He just goes back to his default answers and never addresses these questions.

He seems to think that as long as you have the parts, it will be ok to use them, and apparently even with angels.

Magenta · May 13, 2023

HeIsHere said:

Eh? About what? .

Magenta · May 13, 2023

seoulsearch said:

It's a sacred cow... .

Angels can procreate

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