Angels can procreate

[Cameron143]

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I like the first one alot. Now, your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to make it accessible to the chatters.
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[The_Watchers_2017]

Will you hearken to Jesus? is He an authority? He when questioned about marriage in heaven He said "women will be as the angels in heaven they neither give nor are they given in marriage"

No sex in heaven

If someone will say that angels fell by taking upon themselves flesh and blood I would ask where they got the creative power from?

Another thing, MORE ERRORS IN YOUR THEOLOGY:

The Reason No Sex in Heaven is because everyone, Angels and Us will be A-Sexual. But A-Sexual + A-Sexual in Sex = still equal HOMOSEXUALITY.

But where did the SINS exist at when COMMITTED in Genesis 6?

on EARTH!

And on Earth, God has PERMITTED SEX to keep Populating the World. These Fallen Angels used the very Key Factor to God's Plan to Populate the Earth by doing it themselves. The human Woman's WOMB!

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Jesus, tells us No Marriage in Heaven.
Makes sense, we're ALL the SAME GENDER. No Homosexuality!

But the Holy Spirit, tells us that however on EARTH, this is what these Fallen Angels did :
they given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after a different sort of flesh.

 

[Bruce_Leiter]

Thank you again for the links, Lady Magenta. I've been spending the past several minutes going through John's posts. So far, this is the one that I identified with the most:



John, I can relate to this very well.

My husband left me when I was in my 20's. He gave me no reason why. We were fighting a lot, yes. And one day, I came home from work to a half-empty house that he had moved out from without telling me. He had divorce papers sent to me in the mail, with the heading being, "You Are Being Sued For Divorce." The good church people told me I must now remain single for the rest of my life. I was 25, and the thought of spending the every minute from now on to my dying day as a single person was more than I could bear. People then chastised me even more when I became depressed and had suicidal thoughts. I was told I wasn't really a Christian to begin with.

Several months later after I had moved out of the area (I can't remember how much time went by, but it at least 6, 8 months? Maybe closer to a year -- it was so long ago, I can't remember) and a friend called me at about 2 in the morning with the answer that had eluded me for so long.

He had a girlfriend, but they had kept it a secret until long after I left. In fact, I found out he had been storing things for her in our house, and the only reason he came back one day (while insisting I not be there,) was to collect his girlfriend's things (apparently hidden somewhere in the shed, which I rarely went into.) Despite all the outer judgment from "Christians," I had a Biblical reason for divorce and didn't even know it -- and I would have never known it -- if my friend wouldn't have taken the time to make that phone call.

I was terrified of two things:

1. First, I was scared I would never find anyone I felt bonded with as I did with him. We had certain things in common that were very unique, like ethnic backgrounds, so we had both been bullied in the same ways throughout our lives. He could relate to me in ways no one else could because my family is a different ethnicity than I am. For the first time, I felt like I belonged -- and with someone who was often seen as a misfit, just like me. We had also been raised in countries/cultures other than where we were born, giving us a special bond through our unusual circumstances.

2. Second, I was petrified that I would be single for the rest of my life.

So far, both of those things have happened and still ring true today. I'm not looking for a clone of my ex -- just someone I could feel as connected with, for whatever reasons, even if they were entirely different. But it's never happened. I am adopted and couldn't handle being rejected by first my birth parents and then my own husband. He never spoke to me again after our court date.

Years later I found out from someone that he had remarried and they had at least 2 children. He had also gone on to do things he had talked about while he was still with me. I went numb inside. I couldn't handle it. I didn't understand why God's hand seemed to be with him, but He had left me behind. I began to listen to people's judgments and wonder if they were right, and that's why God was punishing me.

Sometimes I still don't understand, and I go back and forth between feelings of sadness, anger, confusion, and disappointment.

I'm not trying to make this about me at all, but rather, I say all this to say, I understand, and I'm sorry you've been so hurt, John. I truly am. And I'm sorry for all you've been through because of it.

I am a far way from being 25, and I am also a far way from being 70, but I've gone through enough years of being single to be able to at least empathize with you. It's very possible that someday I might be your age, still single, and feeling the same way you do.

I wish I could give you some magic words of encouragement, or something to say to make it better, but I know only God can do that, and I know it feels like your wounds are being salted when no answer appears, or when others get what you long to have.

I know in my own life, God seems to have often said, "I'm not giving you this, but I'm giving you that instead." There have been many times I haven't been very happy with the "substitutions" -- work, church, co-workers, family -- always someone to try to help, always someone to try to look after, even when you may feel that there isn't anyone looking after you.

I truly am sorry for your loneliness. I know it very well. And though I don't have have as much life experience, I can sympathize with having to do everything alone. I'll be flying across the country at some point in the future, and it's always alone, which I hate just as much as you.

Again John, I am sorry.

And I will most definitely keep you in my prayers.

I have found a biblical pattern that's been very helpful to me but that's not in our culture. It's lamenting. Almost half of the psalms have some or lamenting in them. Job 3, 7, and especially 10 are Job's laments, and he had a lot to lament about. Of course, Jeremiah wrote Lamentations; chapter three is the best example of his lamenting the exile of God's people. I could tell you my many losses in the first 43 years of my life, but they're in my God-Biography entitled "What God Has Done" (Amazon). To make it short, God taught me to persist in my laments in prayer to him 8 1/2 months until he gave me his peace. I am now single after 56 years of marriage to my late wife. God has given me his gift of singleness (1 Corinthians 7), but he might just send you future partners after you grieve out your single lives.

 

[Flannery]

I have heard repeatedly in church that angels cannot procreate. That is not true, according to the bible.

"when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown." Genesis 6:4. It had nothing to do with them being fallen angels. They were able to have children.

Are you saying that the spirits possessed people still human, not effecting their ability to have kids?

 

[iamsoandso]

the whole issue is that we don’t first read the things we’re explaining

“which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭3:38‬ ‭KJV‬‬

When God created all creation he made one final creation to rule over what he had made he made this particular creature in a distinct way different from any other creature the lord had made

“And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:26-28‬ ‭KJV‬‬

this is the origin and meaning of the terminology “ the sons of God “ they are the single and only creature created in his image and likeness.

God having to sons isnt the same as when a man has a son through pro creation , Gods children are those he created in his image and likeness and gave freedom and dominion on earth and rule over all the other creatures of earth just as God the father rules all of heaven , man his son is meant to rule all the earth in his nature of goodness and truth and peace for life and not death as man has done

angels were never made in Gods image , God never created an earthly physical Body for them because of this

“being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance ( children inherit ) obtained a more excellent name than they.

For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, This day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, And he shall be to me a Son?

And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, And his ministers a flame of fire.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭1:4-7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Hebrews one alone seperates men from angels in that very thing angels aren’t the children of God but his spiritual heavenly servants who worship Jesus the son of God

christians are born into the body of Christ as the sons of God through true worship of the true God found in the gospel

Hebrews two then Further cements the seperation of the two creatures distinction again being who the children are

“Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; ( why he became flesh )that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;


For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; ( Jesus the son didn’t become like an angel but the seed of a particular man ) but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭2:14, 16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It’s also why angels aren’t the ones being redeemed and offered salvation from sin .

The sons of God were the line of Seth

rhe daughters of men they married were the children of cain who had already been cast out of Gods people and began his own city.

God wants his people to marry and find his people it’s why he forbade intermarriage between israel and other nations who worshipped other gods It’s still not a good idea for instance for a Christian man to seek out and find a witch to marry it’s always going to lead the good astray and corrupt

I've always been curious about the Seth-Cain bloodline hypotheses of the sons of God because even after it being explained we're always left hanging out there with identifying exactly who is this evil race of people we are not suppose to marry and bare children with. Is there a identification process that you can see as to who is the race of people on the planet who are of Seth and who is of Cain?

 

[JohnB]

Are you saying that the spirits possessed people still human, not effecting their ability to have kids?

Just being possessed does not give you the ability to make giants.

 

[JohnB]

What exactly do you mean by "purity movement"... that was an idea from the late 1800's. I understand that it lingered well into the 1900's and probably still today... but what do you mean by it?

No physically touching, no holding hands, no hugs, no kissing, no one on one dating. Only group dating. That is part of the purity movement.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

I have never been married.

I haven't either and I spent years being lonely because of that, making mistakes & wondering what is wrong with me.
But I have never hoped to have or imagined having sex in heaven.

Freedom from the need of sex & reproduction. I'm looking forward to that. The new immortal bodies God gives us at the resurrection.
Ultimately a new heaven & earth with a new natural order. Wow!

 

[Flannery]

Just being possessed does not give you the ability to make giants.

Maybe they were giant more in reputation, because they used demonic familiar sprits to increase their influence spiritually. For example, Nimrod, who founded the city of Ur, was a mighty hunter before the Lord, possibly more because of his building a large city and thereby influencing Chaldees of all families, (Ur of the Chaldees as a location of origin superseding the clan patriarchs in the Chaldean group).

Esau is another one, he and Jacob seem to have been the same size (are twins the same size), but he had a lot of "hard drive" and wasn't he also a "mighty hunter before the Lord"?

Could just be in their attitudes. Goliath had a lot of attitudes, as I recall, he gave the people of Israel a lot of lip.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

I have back issues.

Oh! you're THAT guy!

 

[Clayman]

Maybe they were giant more in reputation

I think similarly, maybe both, they were also men of renown(famous)

Gen 6:4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days— and afterward as well — when the sons of God had relations with the daughters of men. And they bore them children who became the mighty MEN of old, MEN of renown.

Look at todays sporting giants for instance there are MEN that meet both the criteria of being both giants in stature and renown. There are just not that many which have six fingers yet.

 

[JohnB]

Maybe they were giant more in reputation, because they used demonic familiar sprits to increase their influence spiritually. For example, Nimrod, who founded the city of Ur, was a mighty hunter before the Lord, possibly more because of his building a large city and thereby influencing Chaldees of all families, (Ur of the Chaldees as a location of origin superseding the clan patriarchs in the Chaldean group).

Esau is another one, he and Jacob seem to have been the same size (are twins the same size), but he had a lot of "hard drive" and wasn't he also a "mighty hunter before the Lord"?

Could just be in their attitudes. Goliath had a lot of attitudes, as I recall, he gave the people of Israel a lot of lip.

Giants.—Heb., Nephilim, mentioned again in Numbers 13:33, and apparently a race of great physical strength and stature.

 

[JohnB]

I haven't either and I spent years being lonely because of that, making mistakes & wondering what is wrong with me.
But I have never hoped to have or imagined having sex in heaven.

Freedom from the need of sex & reproduction. I'm looking forward to that. The new immortal bodies God gives us at the resurrection.
Ultimately a new heaven & earth with a new natural order. Wow!

We will eat and drink in heaven, so why not sex?

 

[Clayman]

I've always been curious about the Seth-Cain bloodline hypotheses of the sons of God because even after it being explained we're always left hanging out there with identifying exactly who is this evil race of people we are not suppose to marry and bare children with. Is there a identification process that you can see as to who is the race of people on the planet who are of Seth and who is of Cain?

I see the explanation as more spiritual than physical, of course they are both intertwined but its the believer marrying an unbeliever that causes the problem.

The same reason as given later to Israel, of course if any from the nations left and joined Israel then later on they could marry so its not really the physical.

Duet 7:3 Do not intermarry with them. Do not give your daughters to their sons or take their daughters for your sons, 4. for they will turn your children away from following me to serve other gods.

Its a motif of scripture And it still stands true even today, We should remain separate from unbelievers and what happens when we do remain separate, same thing God refers to us as Sons and Daughters.

2Cor 6:14 Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness? 15 What harmony is there between Christ and Belial? Or what does a believer have in common with an unbeliever? 16 What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God has said:

“I will live with them
and walk among them,
and I will be their God,
and they will be my people.” Therefore,

“Come out from them
and be separate,
says the Lord.
Touch no unclean thing,
and I will receive you.” And,

“I will be a Father to you,
and you will be my sons and daughters,
says the Lord Almighty.”

 

[JohnB]

Are you saying that the spirits possessed people still human, not effecting their ability to have kids?

Angels can take human form. They eat and drink, so why not sex?

 

[Clayman]

We will eat and drink in heaven, so why not sex?

Maybe the idea of hundreds of little JohnB's running around from his extra curricular activities puts everyone else off the notion.

 

[JohnB]

I see the explanation as more spiritual than physical, of course they are both intertwined but its the believer marrying an unbeliever that causes the problem.

The same reason as given later to Israel, of course if any from the nations left and joined Israel then later on they could marry so its not really the physical.

Duet 7:3 Do not intermarry with them. Do not give your daughters to their sons or take their daughters for your sons, 4. for they will turn your children away from following me to serve other gods.

Its a motif of scripture And it still stands true even today, We should remain separate from unbelievers and what happens when we do remain separate, same thing God refers to us as Sons and Daughters.

2Cor 6:14 Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness? 15 What harmony is there between Christ and Belial? Or what does a believer have in common with an unbeliever? 16 What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God has said:

“I will live with them
and walk among them,
and I will be their God,
and they will be my people.” Therefore,

“Come out from them
and be separate,
says the Lord.
Touch no unclean thing,
and I will receive you.” And,

“I will be a Father to you,
and you will be my sons and daughters,
says the Lord Almighty.”

Having sex with an unbeliever or someone from another faith or someone who worships idols does not mean you will have children who become giants. That is in the DNA.

 

[JohnB]

Maybe the idea of hundreds of little JohnB's running around from his extra curricular activities puts everyone else off the notion.

Maybe if Christians studied the bible, they wouldn't fall for things they are told with no proof.

 

[Clayman]

Having sex with an unbeliever or someone from another faith or someone who worships idols does not mean you will have children who become giants. That is in the DNA.

There already were giants (big men) on the earth beforehand so the copulation didn't create the giants anyway.

Gen 6:4 There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterwards, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them.