By What Age Should Someone Own/Have Bought a House?

[JohnDB]

at the time Jesus called it his Fathers house

It was then destroyed in 70AD. It sucked up too much in taxes.

Yes, Jesus called it "his father's house because it was a shadow of his Father's House....its what it represented or rather what it was trying to represent....ergo it was abusing God's name/reputation and it was destroyed.

It was destroyed because the Jews revolted and were trying to break away from Roman Rule. They used the Temple complex as a fortress to hold off the Roman horde....the Roman's held a siege for roughly 3½ years of Jerusalem and the Temple....

 

[presidente]

Nope....a thousand times "nope".
The Temple in Jerusalem is nothing but a shadow of Jesus's/God's real house which is in Heaven.

The temple representing the body doesn't do away with language that refers to it as God's house in scripture. The Jewish authorities might have disagreed with Stephen as to whether God actually lived in the house, but it was a place dedicated to His name.

 

[Lanolin]

Before that God was happy living in a tent. They called it the tabernacle.

Jews still celebrate this aspect of their journey through the wilderness with the Feast of Tabernacles.

They also mark the doorposts of their homes with a mesuzah that has scripture in it. (Rather than lambs blood, as they did for the Passover)

Paul was a tentmaker, and he lived in a rented house.

 

[Lanolin]

David wasnt allowed to build Gods house cos he had too much blood on his hands. His son Solomon ended up building it. He made it way too fancy though. His palace was even bigger than the part reserved for God.

 

[Lanolin]

God did live in His house for a while until idols were bought into it. Or rather, His House became an object of idolatry. He left it though and called it Ichabod.

Imagine the glory when He did live in it though, King Charles coronation was nothing in comparison to the majesty the temple had when God lived there.

 

[Lanolin]

Jesus was around aged 30 when he started his minsitry and went to Jerusalem to check on His house. The lease was gonna end.
I was 32 when I started and and cousin whos just deposited on a house is also 32 now I think. How long it takes to pay off depends on...what kind of mortage you have, the house, and your job of course..need to have at least one steady income though Lord knows most people are simply working to pay off debts not cos they love their jobs.

This is why people buy homes in families not just one person. So multiple incomes contribute. Also one person needs to at least stay or live in the house to look after it. Othwrwise you will have to get tenants in and manage that property. An empty house is no use to anyone except ghosts and squatters

 

[stilllearning]

Yes, Jesus called it "his father's house because it was a shadow of his Father's House....its what it represented or rather what it was trying to represent....ergo it was abusing God's name/reputation and it was destroyed.

It was destroyed because the Jews revolted and were trying to break away from Roman Rule. They used the Temple complex as a fortress to hold off the Roman horde....the Roman's held a siege for roughly 3½ years of Jerusalem and the Temple....

That was the time of the revolt bro. In 66 AD, Governor Florus plundered the temple for tax revenue. Kicking off the revolt. In 67 AD Nero sent Vespasian, who took his son Titus with him to Galilee. They began the campaign to put down the revolt there. Of course capturing Josephus. They had made their way down to Jerusalem. However, Nero died during that time 68 AD. So Vespasian, left there and went to Alexandria. Which kicked off the year of the 4 Emperors. Which saw Vespasian as the emperor in 69 AD.

His son Titus of course went back to Judea to put down the revolt that had been going on during this time. He sieged Jerusalem in April of 70 AD and sacked it in September of 70 AD. So the siege was only 5 months long, but the length of the whole revolt would be the longer time frame you gave for the actual siege.

 

[JohnDB]

That was the time of the revolt bro. In 66 AD, Governor Florus plundered the temple for tax revenue. Kicking off the revolt. In 67 AD Nero sent Vespasian, who took his son Titus with him to Galilee. They began the campaign to put down the revolt there. Of course capturing Josephus. They had made their way down to Jerusalem. However, Nero died during that time 68 AD. So Vespasian, left there and went to Alexandria. Which kicked off the year of the 4 Emperors. Which saw Vespasian as the emperor in 69 AD.

His son Titus of course went back to Judea to put down the revolt that had been going on during this time. He sieged Jerusalem in April of 70 AD and sacked it in September of 70 AD. So the siege was only 5 months long, but the length of the whole revolt would be the longer time frame you gave for the actual siege.

Didn't you read how the soldiers pulled back to Lasich?
They started the seige ramps then....the Romans didn't stop or wander away. One of the initial volleys of fire arrows caught the store rooms for firewood on fire which then caught all of the grain storeroom on fire...so all of their provisions burned up. They spent 3½ years under seige with nothing to eat except each other.

The Jews had a record year of grain and then an overwhelming amount of firewood was brought in for the zylafori festival. The store room doors couldn't close....

The real start of the rebellion was EXACTLY as Jesus said. Effigies of Caesar were put up all over Jerusalem during the night (because the Jews forbade this....because God said not to) and the Romans also put up a Roman Eagle over the gated entrance to the Temple signifying that worshipping God was because of Roman Rule and subject to it.
(Menalaus and his band cut it down and were executed for it)

A few Jews did leave the Temple when too hungry....but first they swallowed a few gold coins. When the Roman soldiers fed them the jews needed to use the bathroom and the soldiers seen the Jews diddling in their feces for the gold coins....so afterwards they hacked every jew surrendering.

Josephus details all of this....and was considered a traitor to the Jews for telling all of this.
The siege lasted essentially 3½ years. Some of the details you relate are accurate as well about the robbing of the Temple....and how the Jews began pelting the soldiers with copper pennies.

 

[stilllearning]

Didn't you read how the soldiers pulled back to Lasich?
They started the seige ramps then....the Romans didn't stop or wander away. One of the initial volleys of fire arrows caught the store rooms for firewood on fire which then caught all of the grain storeroom on fire...so all of their provisions burned up. They spent 3½ years under seige with nothing to eat except each other.

The Jews had a record year of grain and then an overwhelming amount of firewood was brought in for the zylafori festival. The store room doors couldn't close....

The real start of the rebellion was EXACTLY as Jesus said. Effigies of Caesar were put up all over Jerusalem during the night (because the Jews forbade this....because God said not to) and the Romans also put up a Roman Eagle over the gated entrance to the Temple signifying that worshipping God was because of Roman Rule and subject to it.
(Menalaus and his band cut it down and were executed for it)

A few Jews did leave the Temple when too hungry....but first they swallowed a few gold coins. When the Roman soldiers fed them the jews needed to use the bathroom and the soldiers seen the Jews diddling in their feces for the gold coins....so afterwards they hacked every jew surrendering.

Josephus details all of this....and was considered a traitor to the Jews for telling all of this.
The siege lasted essentially 3½ years. Some of the details you relate are accurate as well about the robbing of the Temple....and how the Jews began pelting the soldiers with copper pennies.

I thought maybe in age that I was not remembering correctly. So I did a search and the chronology is what I briefly laid out. Here are some links. This one is to the account of Josephus
https://www.josephus.org/FlJosephus2/warChronology7Fall.html

Then here are just some other random ones that again lay out the same chronology.
https://www.britannica.com/event/Siege-of-Jerusalem-70
https://warfarehistorynetwork.com/article/the-fall-of-jerusalem-in-70-ce-a-story-of-roman-revenge/
https://earlychurchhistory.org/military/jerusalem-70-ad-the-roman-army-arrives/

Reading what you are saying do you have a link by chance as to me you read like you have some of the details of the 1st revolt and the second revolt combined. Don't quote me because just going off of memory, but Simon Bar Kochba I believe held Jerusalem for the time period or amount of years you are giving. So just seems as I read you that you have details of the second revolt present in the first revolt.

Anyhow do you have a link as I have never honestly read it as you have laid it out and would be interested to as I would have historical knowledge I did not have before.

 

[JohnDB]

I thought maybe in age that I was not remembering correctly. So I did a search and the chronology is what I briefly laid out. Here are some links. This one is to the account of Josephus
https://www.josephus.org/FlJosephus2/warChronology7Fall.html

Then here are just some other random ones that again lay out the same chronology.
https://www.britannica.com/event/Siege-of-Jerusalem-70
https://warfarehistorynetwork.com/article/the-fall-of-jerusalem-in-70-ce-a-story-of-roman-revenge/
https://earlychurchhistory.org/military/jerusalem-70-ad-the-roman-army-arrives/

Reading what you are saying do you have a link by chance as to me you read like you have some of the details of the 1st revolt and the second revolt combined. Don't quote me because just going off of memory, but Simon Bar Kochba I believe held Jerusalem for the time period or amount of years you are giving. So just seems as I read you that you have details of the second revolt present in the first revolt.

Anyhow do you have a link as I have never honestly read it as you have laid it out and would be interested to as I would have historical knowledge I did not have before.

It's been awhile since I studied all of this. It was a plethora of resources and they were physical books not electronic copies off the internet. The 3½ years stood out to me as well as the speed of which the start of the seige began.
Josephus has an ANE style of writing....and stories aren't told in exactly a linear fashion. Especially with qual & wayaquotal(excuse my spelling) clauses a chapter or two long.

I remember the things that stood out to me...that's about it...

I just moved back in February too....so all of my library is packed up in boxes still....but I know that they are in the box with home depot on the side. E pluribus unim.

I'm not really looking to debate this topic either. There's a lot of end times theology tied up with everything that I really don't want to discuss either. (I make it a habit not to)

But one day when I get everything unpacked and have a lot of extra time I will dig it out and go over it all again. But it's going to be a while....we bought a 130 queen Ann victorian so I'm gonna be busy for a minute yet.

 

[Lanolin]

zylafori festival? What was that? Never heard of it. ..

 

[JohnDB]

zylafori festival? What was that? Never heard of it. ..

Wood gathering festival. It was popular because of the bait and switch scam going on with sacrificial offerings.

God wants the labor of your hands and not necessarily money. So people would raise a blue ribbon type of lamb, calf or whatever to sacrifice. But then the priests would "find" a flaw, a blemish, it would dehydrated....whatever. So you would have to sell it and buy another. The lamb would be sold for Roman money but then when it came time for buying one it would have to be done with Temple money....so first you would have to exchange the money. Everyone taking a small bit along the way....and the gift of the labor of your hands was long since gone.

Once a year the wood was brought in to the temple for the altar by the people. So long as it was dry and not rotten it was good. Everyone loved it because it was a labor of love from their hands to God's hand....and no freaking money changers in the middle of it all. (It's really cool to put something you worked hard to make, produced, crafted into God's hands and He loves it)

The wood gathering festival was called the zylaforee xylafory festival....something like that....transliteration is not my strong suite.

 

[Lanolin]

Wood gathering festival. It was popular because of the bait and switch scam going on with sacrificial offerings.

God wants the labor of your hands and not necessarily money. So people would raise a blue ribbon type of lamb, calf or whatever to sacrifice. But then the priests would "find" a flaw, a blemish, it would dehydrated....whatever. So you would have to sell it and buy another. The lamb would be sold for Roman money but then when it came time for buying one it would have to be done with Temple money....so first you would have to exchange the money. Everyone taking a small bit along the way....and the gift of the labor of your hands was long since gone.

Once a year the wood was brought in to the temple for the altar by the people. So long as it was dry and not rotten it was good. Everyone loved it because it was a labor of love from their hands to God's hand....and no freaking money changers in the middle of it all. (It's really cool to put something you worked hard to make, produced, crafted into God's hands and He loves it)

The wood gathering festival was called the zylaforee xylafory festival....something like that....transliteration is not my strong suite.

oh ok interesting...
yea the money lenders really spoiled the temple...for everyone
They were like the banks of their day or loan sharks...terrible. No wonder Jesus got angry and kicked them out.

His house was meant to be a house of prayer....

Do y'all have houses that you pray in...and how many of you hold group prayer meetings regularly? Though Jesus says pray in your closet and shut the door...I have prayed in my office at work, though I usually pray while walking or in the car by myself...at home its more like I talk and listen to God in the garden

 

[Lanolin]

Unfortunately a lot of houses/buildings are leaky in nz. They just dont hold up to the rain...

 

[salamatuisa672]

The whole idea of owning a house is pretty personal and depends on your circumstances. Some people aim for it in their 20s, while others take their time. It's all about financial readiness and life goals. Plus, don't forget the adventure of student life!

 

[Lanolin]

what about buying and owning church (building) lol