Ukraine the bad guy?

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JohnDB

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https://euromaidanpress.com/2023/05...kraines-impending-counteroffensive-on-russia/

He alleged that “a large number of oligarchs are investing in Ukrainian military bonds, as they are aware that Russia has lost the war.” Marchuk also highlighted “serious disagreements” amongst the pro-Russian figures in the occupied territories and claimed that even in Crimea, Kremlin proteges are preparing to flee or cooperate with the Ukrainian military. He also linked Russia’s decision to label GUR head Kyrylo Budanov a terrorist to its alarm about residents of Crimea collaborating with the Ukrainian security services.

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This unity persisted despite Russia’s efforts to corrode Ukraine from within. Marchuk noted that “Russia invested a lot of money in destabilizing Ukraine and bribing officials” in the two decades leading up to its February 2022 invasion.
 

JohnDB

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This is straight from Russian propagandists websites. No where near true. Crimea voted to stay joined with Ukraine when they voted on it in a fair free election even with heavy voting fraud perpetrated by Russians.
I'm not saying its a perfect analysis. I'm saying there are tons of Russians in Ukraine. How do YOU think they are being treated by the government? Like "orcs"?
 

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I'm not saying its a perfect analysis. I'm saying there are tons of Russians in Ukraine. How do YOU think they are being treated by the government? Like "orcs"?
Orcs cannot abide the sun, Uruk-hai can (though they hate it, terrible sun burn) so I don't think it is right to compare orcs to Russians, perhaps Uruk-hai.

You could compare orcs to vampires from Romania and Ukraine, the ones who live underground during the day, the pedophiles who drink blood and are involved in human trafficking.
 

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Russian soldiers have no motivation. Why should they have? It’s like us invading Mexico or Canada. How much motivation would we have then?
 

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The bigger picture here is when the soldier is is drugged up (not of sound mind) full blown possession of an evil spirit a demon who loves bloodshed can happen,

It's no longer the soldier who is fighting but the demon.
The soldier is no longer indespensable.

The true war is satan and his army of what he calls angels are having there pleasure and games.

Whilst the un suspecting soldier doesn't know the real reason the leaders of the world drugged them up.
 

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The bigger picture here is when the soldier is is drugged up (not of sound mind) full blown possession of an evil spirit a demon who loves bloodshed can happen,

It's no longer the soldier who is fighting but the demon.
The soldier is no longer indespensable.

The true war is satan and his army of what he calls angels are having there pleasure and games.

Whilst the un suspecting soldier doesn't know the real reason the leaders of the world drugged them up.
War is a conveyor belt to hell for the most part. Sick.

And most people love the drama. Sick.
 

Fundaamental

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War is a conveyor belt to hell for the most part. Sick.

And most people love the drama. Sick.
most people don't know the bigger picture.
But yeah it appeals to a person's honour for the wrong reasons 😟
 

JohnDB

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Russia has lost significant ground last night and had to pull back from North and South around Bakhmut. The 72nd brigade continues to be in tatters and uncoordinated. Wagner stole their ammo but blames them for their losses. The 72 lost their supply lines and the Ukranians got them to expend all their ammo so the soldiers retreated out of their bunker strongholds and returned a LOT of ground to the Ukranians who got a LOT of equipment for it.
I'm not sure exactly how the North pincer Russians lost their ground. But for whatever reason they retreated as well.

The battle for Andiivka is still at a stalemate.
 

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Russia has lost significant ground last night and had to pull back from North and South around Bakhmut. The 72nd brigade continues to be in tatters and uncoordinated. Wagner stole their ammo but blames them for their losses. The 72 lost their supply lines and the Ukranians got them to expend all their ammo so the soldiers retreated out of their bunker strongholds and returned a LOT of ground to the Ukranians who got a LOT of equipment for it.
I'm not sure exactly how the North pincer Russians lost their ground. But for whatever reason they retreated as well.

The battle for Andiivka is still at a stalemate.
The thing is......"losses" amount to a few square city blocks here and there. And contesting a couple of critical roads.
And the chatter about ammo? Who knows if this is a trap. Because public declarations of weakness make no sense whatsoever.