God wills your steps, knowing you are always saved

[brightfame52]

What you have spoken here is blaspheme my friend you might want to reconsider your thoughts on how successful he was what you have spoken is literally exactly what the tongue of satan would say

Not to mention regardless of where you stand on your beliefs to doubt his perfection as both God and man I mean even God the father who is all knowing knows this story from the beginning to the he end he wrote it after all you think he would allow any failure on his part knowing this?

Never once in scripture has God ever spoken ill of his son he has only praised him and honored him

Do you deny that the Father sent Christ into the world to save them He would have saved ? Jesus said He came to do His Fathers Will Jn 6:38-40

38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Lk 19:10

10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.

So it is Jesus sole responsibility to prosper here 1 Tim 2:4

4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

Now will Jesus fulfill the will of the Father that all whom He wants saved, be saved ? Yes or No

 

[Blain]

lol yeah the lord moves in mysterious ways.

I can imagine the gravity is we would just float away if the father wasn't willing are steps befor hand,

I find my pea brains is lead by a shepherd and I would get lost if I didñt have his word and his walky talky in my heart.
Despite how much intelligence I am capable of showing, God willed that into existence. When he gave mankind a mind.

I am in the same boat. Like you I can show intelligence but I actually have brain damage twice in the same spot on the front part I don't remember what it is called and something about that has always made me struggle with a lot of complicated things so the shepherd like you said guides me more easily because of that.

I am in a lot of ways simple minded and child like in nature and heart for whatever reason that is just who I am and I have seen how it is because of this that I tend to have an easier time with him than others. I don't tend to over complicate things for most part I come to him easily I tend to learn easily things about him I find him fascinating I wish he would open the door to where I could really get to know him like he would be a study project just from what I know of him now which compared to the real deal or even 10 percent more isn't a lot but it is enough to make me curious about him he makes you interested to know more of him not just calling you to know him more it's more like he is naturally drawing me to know him deeply by making me curious the interest that makes me want to search deeper know and understand more the fascination that evolves from mere interest

This is just something that I think requires a more simple mind set. I mean his yoke is easy and we become so adament of studying and being correct in doctrine and truth that I honestly think we forget he said to come to him as children

This isn't to say not to study the word but sometimes where he is wanting to lead us requires us to not overcomplicated things take things as a child not being niave but think about if a small child sat before him and he was teaching them of course in this case I imagine he would speak the same truth but in a way the child could understand.

Then you have a full grown adult in the same situation which one do you think would be more likely to recieve what he says and teaches without question? Which one would be more easily influenced?

 

[Blain]

Do you deny that the Father sent Christ into the world to save them He would have saved ? Jesus said He came to do His Fathers Will Jn 6:38-40

38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Lk 19:10

10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.

So it is Jesus sole responsibility to prosper here 1 Tim 2:4

4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

Now will Jesus fulfill the will of the Father that all whom He wants saved, be saved ? Yes or No

I read all you posted here where in all the verses you used here did say anything about saving those he wants to be saved it says he desires all to be saved think about that word desire it is not a concrete word it is a deeper form of wanting which means there is no guarantee because your desiring your wanting you not enforcing or choosing before hand

If he desires all to be saved that means that not all he wants to be saved will be saved. But for the lost that are saved those are the lost ones he came for, don't forget this is also a war that satan started and it became a war for souls but notice when one receives salvation they always have to come to him it requires surrender to be born again these are actions done that are done so by the decision to do so rarely ever does he make a miraclulous appearance to a person and their saved they always have to decide to come him.

He draws them yes hw wants to give salvation but he isn't going to force it you have to come to him. this means some will reject it even though it is offered freely

So no I do not agree on who he wants saved be saved at least not in any regard that pre chose those to be saved in regard as there was no choice it was always going top happen perhaps for some yes there are many imprtant figures in scripture where this was so but for most of every believer in scripture they had to choose to follow Christ the mere fact there was a choice says it all

 

[brightfame52]

I read all you posted here where in all the verses you used here did say anything about saving those he wants to be saved it says he desires all to be saved think about that word desire it is not a concrete word it is a deeper form of wanting which means there is no guarantee because your desiring your wanting you not enforcing or choosing before hand

If he desires all to be saved that means that not all he wants to be saved will be saved. But for the lost that are saved those are the lost ones he came for, don't forget this is also a war that satan started and it became a war for souls but notice when one receives salvation they always have to come to him it requires surrender to be born again these are actions done that are done so by the decision to do so rarely ever does he make a miraclulous appearance to a person and their saved they always have to decide to come him.

He draws them yes hw wants to give salvation but he isn't going to force it you have to come to him. this means some will reject it even though it is offered freely

So no I do not agree on who he wants saved be saved at least not in any regard that pre chose those to be saved in regard as there was no choice it was always going top happen perhaps for some yes there are many imprtant figures in scripture where this was so but for most of every believer in scripture they had to choose to follow Christ the mere fact there was a choice says it all

Whose responsible to save who God desires to be saved ?

 

[Fundaamental]

I am in the same boat. Like you I can show intelligence but I actually have brain damage twice in the same spot on the front part I don't remember what it is called and something about that has always made me struggle with a lot of complicated things so the shepherd like you said guides me more easily because of that.

I am in a lot of ways simple minded and child like in nature and heart for whatever reason that is just who I am and I have seen how it is because of this that I tend to have an easier time with him than others. I don't tend to over complicate things for most part I come to him easily I tend to learn easily things about him I find him fascinating I wish he would open the door to where I could really get to know him like he would be a study project just from what I know of him now which compared to the real deal or even 10 percent more isn't a lot but it is enough to make me curious about him he makes you interested to know more of him not just calling you to know him more it's more like he is naturally drawing me to know him deeply by making me curious the interest that makes me want to search deeper know and understand more the fascination that evolves from mere interest

This is just something that I think requires a more simple mind set. I mean his yoke is easy and we become so adament of studying and being correct in doctrine and truth that I honestly think we forget he said to come to him as children

This isn't to say not to study the word but sometimes where he is wanting to lead us requires us to not overcomplicated things take things as a child not being niave but think about if a small child sat before him and he was teaching them of course in this case I imagine he would speak the same truth but in a way the child could understand.

Then you have a full grown adult in the same situation which one do you think would be more likely to recieve what he says and teaches without question? Which one would be more easily influenced?

Great post friend 😊
We do in fact need the shepherd at all times to lead us, whether a mind is sound or not,
Even if a person is saved or of sound mind they can still go astray right.
If you go deep into it the knowledge that is out there really is not are own, you know nothing untill you learn something.
I think of the Eskimo living in an igloo in the north pole never been to school never had a bible, never had no TV, no contact with the outside world, or nobody ever coming to visit them, like this was only a 150 years ago,
People just living a simple life, not corrupted by social media but honouring marriage better than most husband and wifes.

Surviving the harshest environments known to man and just grateful for there next meal.

Who saves them people ?.

 

[Bruce_Leiter]

This is my interpretation of once saved always saved.

For we do not know the hour or The day the lord will return.
But we have been left with his fruits of the holy spirit, The attributes of Lord Jesus Christ and the father and the holy spirit are all embedded in the fruits of the believer
The fruits of love always call out to there place of source through the believer to there place of origin from heaven,

The Fruits long for the return of the lord and the fruits are a seed of light from the holy spirit with the attributes of Our lord Jesus and the knowledge of his Father.

As believers The fruits lead us to hope but always keep us patient and calm knowing that they will return to the place of origin, for the fruits have the strength of the father mixed in and the wisdom and knowledge of knowing how to keep there new found light in there new found vessel the heart and mind if every believer, in reassurance.

The believer feals the presence of something wonderful and some times longs for that day more than ever, sometimes becoming mixed up in emotions of overwhelming love,

Which draws them to a place longing to see the lord and Father,
It's then the. Fruits speaks again to the believer only this time it's different because the believer is feeling mixed up in there emotions, it's then when once again God the father wills there steps.
The holy spirit hears there calling of distress and Jesus receives there message knowing his Sheep he once again relays a message to the holy spirit that then relays the message to the believer who knows his voice who hears his voice,

Until the next time the lord wills your steps which is everyday for me 😊

You seem to base your whole interpretation on the fruit of the Spirit in Galatians 5, but it's true that Paul commands us to increase those fruits in contrast to the qualities that he also mentions in the passage of the old nature.
However, you seem to think that it's only the emotions that are involved in the Christian life.
Instead, I think Scripture calls us to give our whole lives including our thinking, deciding, and, yes, our feelings to God to use for his honor.

 

[Fundaamental]

You seem to base your whole interpretation on the fruit of the Spirit in Galatians 5, but it's true that Paul commands us to increase those fruits in contrast to the qualities that he also mentions in the passage of the old nature.
However, you seem to think that it's only the emotions that are involved in the Christian life.
Instead, I think Scripture calls us to give our whole lives including our thinking, deciding, and, yes, our feelings to God to use for his honor.

a person emotions and feelings can not be controlled with out the fruits of the spirit.

It as simple as that my friend, if a person could control there emotions and feelings there would be no need for the fruits of the spirit.

Freedom of choice and free will befor you where blessed with the fruits of the spirit was taking a person to hell

After you where blessed with the fruits of the spirit, you gained a better free will and better way to choose with a new free will and choice.

The reason mankind's mind was blessed with the fruits of the spirit was because it could be decieved, fragile unable to make the right choice all the time, easily decieved by the war waged on mankind by Lucifer, a free will that if Jesus hadn't of came when he did and left his word the free will that mankind had would now be totally so far from its original free will that the chances of any man believing would be zero.

The fruits of the spirit is what alerts you to spiritual warfare and temptation and knowing the unseen or an evil spirit is present in the back ground, which keeps you from being decieved, without theese fruits you are alone a zombie open to attack, possession the occults idolatry. Selling your soul to satin.

I would call that being loved and kept out of harm's way and God willing your steps because you need it.

 

[oyster67]

I have studied Hebrews,
The faith that they had was willed by God and through previous ancestors, who where also directed by God through direct communication, who then went to sow the seed of drawing near to God through rightouse standards.

Which drew them near which willed there steps.

You don't have a clue about what faith is, do you.

 

[brightfame52]

You don't have a clue about what faith is, do you.

Do you ? What is Faith in the context of Salvation ? Eph 2:8-9

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

 

[Fundaamental]

You don't have a clue about what faith is, do you.

I told you in a previous post faithfulness is a fruit of the holy spirit.
Old testament faith = faith of trying to obey rightouse standards in an outer relationship. Willed by the father.
New testament faith= faith willed by the holy spirit = the laws of the father and the fruits of the holy spirit written inside our hearts willed by the father enabling the believer to know him in an inner personal relationship. Willed by the father and son.

I did express this already 😊

 

[Fundaamental]

Future prophecy for those who are blessed 😊




Again The father willing steps 😊

 

[oyster67]

I did express this already 😊

Yes, you did, and it's completely arbitrary and erroneous.

God is ever faithful. That is a given. The faithfulness that we speak of is what God desires from us. It is set apart from works and is the evidence of our trust toward Him in the absence of signs, wonders, and fulfillments of all prophecies and promises. It has been the same thing throughout all the ages.

 

[Fundaamental]

Yes, you did, and it's completely arbitrary and erroneous.

God is ever faithful. That is a given. The faithfulness that we speak of is what God desires from us. It is set apart from works and is the evidence of our trust toward Him in the absence of signs, wonders, and fulfillments of all prophecies and promises. It has been the same thing throughout all the ages.

The father willing your faith is expressed through love.
Love is a fruit of the holy spirit.
Again the father willing steps.

This is the only thing that counts as faith 😊

 

[Blain]

Whose responsible to save who God desires to be saved ?

Who is it that God desires to be saved? I am not denying God is for those he wants saved and that he is the source of salvation he desires all to be saved not just the elct or those he prechose before hand because if desires all to be saved but he goes on thoughout the bible saying things like how many are called but few are chosen choose today who serve accept the gift of salvation repent ect, It doesn;t take much to see that he clearly doesn't have bias he still calls for all to repent and come to him meaning they have to make the active decision which also means that again it is a choice he calls us we have to actually answer

 

[Blain]

Great post friend 😊
We do in fact need the shepherd at all times to lead us, whether a mind is sound or not,
Even if a person is saved or of sound mind they can still go astray right.
If you go deep into it the knowledge that is out there really is not are own, you know nothing untill you learn something.
I think of the Eskimo living in an igloo in the north pole never been to school never had a bible, never had no TV, no contact with the outside world, or nobody ever coming to visit them, like this was only a 150 years ago,
People just living a simple life, not corrupted by social media but honouring marriage better than most husband and wifes.

Surviving the harshest environments known to man and just grateful for there next meal.

Who saves them people ?.

Well believe it or not even people like that get preached to appartently we have covered every nation and continent of known residents of the earth I think the only place left is the north pole a missionary once tried to go there because there is appartently tribes of people there but it turns out your not allowed to fly there like they won't even tell you why your not even allowed to go there to find the north pole because it actually doesn't remain in one spot

There are rumors of inscidious things secretly being there that the public is with no question allowed to see or know of but that is really all it is rumors no actual evidence to support it but still that is odd

 

[brightfame52]

blain

Who is it that God desires to be saved?

Everyone He desires to be saved Duh !

So who is responsible to save everyone God wants, desires to be saved ?

 

[Blain]

blain



Everyone He desires to be saved Duh !

So who is responsible to save everyone God wants, desires to be saved ?

Ok let me be more direct you keep mentioning him saving those who desires to be saved I asked who is it he desires to be saved because as I am sure you can tell as you seem to be dancing around it when you say he saves those who he desires to be saved do you mean only those he wants and basically everyone else is not because depending on your responce I will know exactly what your trying to get at here

 

[brightfame52]

Ok let me be more direct you keep mentioning him saving those who desires to be saved I asked who is it he desires to be saved because as I am sure you can tell as you seem to be dancing around it when you say he saves those who he desires to be saved do you mean only those he wants and basically everyone else is not because depending on your responce I will know exactly what your trying to get at here

Be more direct and answer me this, Who is responsible to save them God desires to be saved.

These right here 1 Tim 2:4

4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

 

[Blain]

Be more direct and answer me this, Who is responsible to save them God desires to be saved.

These right here 1 Tim 2:4

4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

Be more direct and answer me this, Who is responsible to save them God desires to be saved.

These right here 1 Tim 2:4

4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

This verse is your basis? you know that the word will in all other translations is written as desires or wants you know a longing kind of word not a he will save but he wants to save wording and the word will is used sometimes as an underlined tone of wanting at times but really the fact that all other translations use this word in a specific manner explains it.

The word responsciple should be author because he always refers to himself as the author of salvation but he is as you put it responsible for it that though just means he is the source of it but don't forget that to drink living water we have to go to him and drink Jesus spoke of this water to the women at the well and he said to her if you were to drink the wwater I give that word were or however else the translations put it as they really may be different but at least use similar words for the most so the meaning is still there at least.
Gut in this instance he spoke to her as if should she choose to drink his water he hinted at the possibility of her able to drink it but if salvation is set in stone why play mind games with her? why taunt her with idea of this water because as far as know it doesn't specify if she was saved she marveled but that doesn't equal salvation and we never hear of her after that.

 

[brightfame52]

This verse is your basis? you know that the word will in all other translations is written as desires or wants you know a longing kind of word not a he will save but he wants to save wording and the word will is used sometimes as an underlined tone of wanting at times but really the fact that all other translations use this word in a specific manner explains it.

The word responsciple should be author because he always refers to himself as the author of salvation but he is as you put it responsible for it that though just means he is the source of it but don't forget that to drink living water we have to go to him and drink Jesus spoke of this water to the women at the well and he said to her if you were to drink the wwater I give that word were or however else the translations put it as they really may be different but at least use similar words for the most so the meaning is still there at least.
Gut in this instance he spoke to her as if should she choose to drink his water he hinted at the possibility of her able to drink it but if salvation is set in stone why play mind games with her? why taunt her with idea of this water because as far as know it doesn't specify if she was saved she marveled but that doesn't equal salvation and we never hear of her after that.

Stop playing dum, who is responsible for saving the people God wants to be saved.