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I know Christians who are gay and are ok with God. They feel that it is not a sin (and I know they aren't justifying their sin by saying this--they've actually experienced God's comfort in who they are with this...meaning that they are gay).

its an abomination to god remember that .... there such thing as the spirit of error look in the NKJV bible 1 John 4:1-6
 
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nive said:
I know Christians who are gay and are ok with God. They feel that it is not a sin (and I know they aren't justifying their sin by saying this--they've actually experienced God's comfort in who they are with this...meaning that they are gay).

its an abomination to god remember that .... there such thing as the spirit of error look in the NKJV bible 1 John 4:1-6
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I see that you acknowledge such a thing as a spirit of error.

And there is a way that seems good, but it leads to death. yet, where there is sin there is forgiveness of sin, and a way out of temptation. The Lord has made this clear. Very clear to me, and to anyone who has truly repented. But to ignore the truth for lust, is terrible, and many people will realize the error.

May Jesus bless you.
 
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As much as I would love to condemn a gay person I kind of have to loo at it this way.

Sexual immorality....ok, that is a sin. Adultery, fornication, lust and well...I guess homosexuality is sinful too....BUT...A sin is a sin.

How many people on here have ever been lustful?
How many have commited adultery? fornication?

Why is it that gay people are always thrown in the pit here? I am not saying everyone that posted here is guilty, but to me one sexual sin is just as bad as the other.

IF you are guilty of ANY of these sins and you have not asked for forgiveness then you should not be judging a gay person. Shoiuldnt judge anyway...but hypocrisy is a bad thing too.
 
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Elizabeth619 said:
As much as I would love to condemn a gay person I kind of have to loo at it this way.

Sexual immorality....ok, that is a sin. Adultery, fornication, lust and well...I guess homosexuality is sinful too....BUT...A sin is a sin.

How many people on here have ever been lustful?
How many have commited adultery? fornication?

Why is it that gay people are always thrown in the pit here? I am not saying everyone that posted here is guilty, but to me one sexual sin is just as bad as the other.

IF you are guilty of ANY of these sins and you have not asked for forgiveness then you should not be judging a gay person. Shoiuldnt judge anyway...but hypocrisy is a bad thing too.
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The Bible teaches that there are levels of sin (Proverbs 6:16-19) just as there are levels of hell and punishment (Matthew 23:14, Matthew 10:15) as well as different rewards in heaven for saints (1 Corinthians 3:8, Revelation 22:12). The Bible clearly says that homosexuality is unnatural (Romans 1:18-32 especially verse 27). It doesn't say specifically that it is unnatural about lust between a man and a woman. Also in the Old Testament it was God's law to execute those who had sex with the same sex. Not so with fornication. Also fornication is a much lighter offense than Adultery or Incest, in which both participants are punished with death. Also being gay is a lifestyle and even a subculture to many who embrace it with their own gay language. I know because my good friend is a Christian ex-gay. Being a lifestyle says to the world that "I'm affiliated with this, this is how I am" But Jesus taught us to flee such a childish and evil attitude. Christians who are having problems just with lust don't make it their business to tell people that they're having problems with lust with arrogance in their voice like gay Christians often do. I hesitate to say gay Christian because I believe the majority of gay people aren't.

The Bible teaches that we should not judge those outside the church, but should judge those inside the church. Please read this if you don't believe me. It's sad that this isn't more well known. Everyone hears that Jesus taught not to judge. Don't throw the first stone, but what about what the Spirit of Truth through Paul said in 1 Corinthians 5:12-13? The whole chapter should be read and understood. I suggest it. It would be a very good read next time you read the Bible. Develop your own opinion on it first then use the internet to look up what it means if you have trouble. And don't just take the first opinion, find different views on it, then decide. Or just message me. :)
 
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AndyPG

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I'd say attraction is one thing, acting on it is another.
 
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AndyPG said:
I'd say attraction is one thing, acting on it is another.
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1 Samuel 16:7 "Man looks at the outward appearance, but God looks on the heart."
 
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Brandon? really? lust and incest are lighter sins?????

Wow.

So someone who had sex with their brother is not a COMPLETE sinner, but a gay person is????

As far as what you are SUGGESTING, you may need to take your own advice. A sin is a sin. I dont know if you have looked over scriptures, ignoring them or what, but judge not lest ye be judged.

When you become perfect and free of sin then I guess you can tell others on how to believe.
A Christian should help guide and direct those who are lost.


If I was a lesbian(and I am NOT), I really would not want a rapist or an adulterer telling me I am a sinner.
 
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I'd prefer to word it more in terms of how disordered it is, since 'sinfulness' can be complex and influenced by many factors (eg. how culpable they, whether they know it's wrong etc.)

Now, I'm no expert, but it certainly seems that homosexuality is more disordered than incest, though it's probably relatively close in contrast to, say, straight forward male-female fornication which isn't nearly as disordered, the other obvious ethical issues notwithstanding.
 
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Maddog said:
I'd prefer to word it more in terms of how disordered it is, since 'sinfulness' can be complex and influenced by many factors (eg. how culpable they, whether they know it's wrong etc.)

Now, I'm no expert, but it certainly seems that homosexuality is more disordered than incest, though it's probably relatively close in contrast to, say, straight forward male-female fornication which isn't nearly as disordered, the other obvious ethical issues notwithstanding.
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Are you speaking from a worldy standpoint or a biblical standpoint?

Will fornication send you to Hell?
Will adultery send you to Hell?
Will rape send you to Hell?
Will homosexuality send you to Hell?

This is all sexual immorality. One is not less sinful than the other according to the bible. All are sins, and all can be forgiven.
 
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Maddog

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Elizabeth619 said:
Are you speaking from a worldy standpoint or a biblical standpoint?

Will fornication send you to Hell?
Will adultery send you to Hell?
Will rape send you to Hell?
Will homosexuality send you to Hell?

This is all sexual immorality. One is not less sinful than the other according to the bible. All are sins, and all can be forgiven.
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I don't go along with the idea that any sin is just as bad as the next, and I don't really know where this idea comes from (all sin separates us from God, and can ultimately put us in hell, but it doesn't follow that therefore all sins are of the same gravity). I'm with Brandon; some sins are worse than others, but as I said, it can be complicated. That's why I said it's easier to talk in terms of how disordered something is, because at least that can be grounded in some sense of objectivity. For example, while a case of adultery may be more sinful than masturbation, in terms of the purpose of sex, masturbation remains the more disordered.
 
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Maddog said:
I don't go along with the idea that any sin is just as bad as the next, and I don't really know where this idea comes from (all sin separates us from God, and can ultimately put us in hell, but it doesn't follow that therefore all sins are of the same gravity). I'm with Brandon; some sins are worse than others, but as I said, it can be complicated. That's why I said it's easier to talk in terms of how disordered something is, because at least that can be grounded in some sense of objectivity. For example, while a case of adultery may be more sinful than masturbation, in terms of the purpose of sex, masturbation remains the more disordered.
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Can you give me scripture that states different levels of sin?
 
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! Corinthians 6:19
9 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
 
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Maddog

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Elizabeth619 said:
Can you give me scripture that states different levels of sin?
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No, this is Natural Law thinking (but can you give any that says all sins are just as bad as each other? And are you really convinced that stealing a handful of penny sweets is just as grievous a sin as murder?). Though to stick witn sexual sin, St Paul does reference nature in Romans, as Brandon pointed out, when he specifically referred to homosexuality as 'unnatural'. From there, it's all a matter of following the logic. Ask why homosexuality is unnatural, and then apply the reasoning to other sexual practices.

But I'm a bit out of my depth. St Thomas Aquinas is your man for this kind of stuff.
 
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Let me make this a lil bigger for you


1 Corinthians 6:19
9 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

 
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And what does that prove? That sin leads to hell? We're on the same page as far as that's concerned, but it doesn't prove that all sin is equally as bad.
 
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Maddog said:
And what does that prove? That sin leads to hell? We're on the same page as far as that's concerned, but it doesn't prove that all sin is equally as bad.
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If all those things prevent you from enterting the kingdom of heaven then.......HOW is one better than the other?
 
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Elizabeth619 said:
If all those things prevent you from enterting the kingdom of heaven then.......HOW is one better than the other?
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To sin is to 'miss the mark', but some are wider than others. There are many factors such as how much damage is caused to others, how much it deviates from nature and God's will, how sincere one's intentions, how aware one is of the sinfulness of one's actions etc.

Maybe you think it's all academic, but trust me, genocide is worse than stealing a tin of baked beans from a supermarket.
 
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needmesomejesus

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Yes, it is fully possible to be gay and Christian just as its possible to be a liar and a Christian, or a thief and a Christian. I think its hard to have a close relationship with God though.
 
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Brandon777

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Christ sets gay people free!

Elizabeth619 said:
Can you give me scripture that states different levels of sin?
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I did. Please take the time to look them up. I don't put them there so that I look good you know. They are there for your benefit. So that you may grow in the knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ being edified. Plus they're really interesting, believe me.

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! Corinthians 6:19
9 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
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Yes this passage tells us that all these sins lead a person to God's wrath, but nowhere does it discount the idea of different levels of punishment. It is entirely possible for two people to go to hell and one be in a place of more intense heat and pressure than another place in hell. In Revelation it says there is a special chamber prepared for Satan to be bound for 1000 years (Revelation 20:1-3). That reference is in addition to the ones I already gave.

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To sin is to 'miss the mark', but some are wider than others. There are many factors such as how much damage is caused to others, how much it deviates from nature and God's will, how sincere one's intentions, how aware one is of the sinfulness of one's actions etc.

Maybe you think it's all academic, but trust me, genocide is worse than stealing a tin of baked beans from a supermarket.
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I agree.
 
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Brandon777

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Elizabeth619 said:
Brandon? really? lust and incest are lighter sins?????

Wow.

So someone who had sex with their brother is not a COMPLETE sinner, but a gay person is????

As far as what you are SUGGESTING, you may need to take your own advice. A sin is a sin. I dont know if you have looked over scriptures, ignoring them or what, but judge not lest ye be judged.

When you become perfect and free of sin then I guess you can tell others on how to believe.
A Christian should help guide and direct those who are lost.


If I was a lesbian(and I am NOT), I really would not want a rapist or an adulterer telling me I am a sinner.
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I should have quoted where I got that from. It's from the Old Testament Hebraic law. That would be our Holy Bible under the Old Covenant of Abraham, so it's still worth consideration considering it came directly from the mouth of God through the Old Testament prophet Mosses. This is the link I found it at JewishEncyclopedia.com - FORNICATION Second paragraph. I hope you know this means you're contending with God's opinion, not mine...

Also, I was wondering how you react to all of the Scriptures I gave you, or the rest of my viewpoint that I gave? Very little of what I said was addressed.
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Are you speaking from a worldy standpoint or a biblical standpoint?

Will fornication send you to Hell?
Will adultery send you to Hell?
Will rape send you to Hell?
Will homosexuality send you to Hell?

This is all sexual immorality. One is not less sinful than the other according to the bible. All are sins, and all can be forgiven.
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Yes all can be forgiven, and yes they are all sexual sins, but no that doesn't mean that they don't have differences in severity.
 
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