God wills your steps, knowing you are always saved
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fROM WHAT i CAN SEE THE VERSES HE USED DOES IT'S INTENDED PURPOSE AGAIN LOOK AT THE MESSAGE THE VERSES SAY DON'T TAKE IT AT FACE VALUE LOOK DEEPERTHEY ALL HAVE A CLEAR MESSAGE BUT YOUR GOING ABOUT IT THE WRONG WAY YOUR OVERTHINKING OVER COMPL;ICATING oH SORRY i JUST REALIZED i HAD THE CAPS ON
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You do not understand most what you read and interpret it in your own way even when it requires no interpretation. You seem do this to everyone trying to explain things to you. You have a strong bias towards a doctrine but is is not in agreement with the words of christ.
Jesus said;
Mat 13:14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
Mat 13:15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, andtheir ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with theireyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
Quand tu seras en face du Christ qui lui te jugera, que diras - tu? Que tu ne savais pas? Moi de mon cote je ne te juge certainement pas mais je vais prier pour toi afin que tes yeux s'ouvrent enfin.
translation in english : When you face Christ who will judge you, what will you say? That you did not know? I certainly do not judge you, but I will pray for you that your eyes will open one day.
Jesus said;
Mat 13:14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
Mat 13:15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, andtheir ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with theireyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
Quand tu seras en face du Christ qui lui te jugera, que diras - tu? Que tu ne savais pas? Moi de mon cote je ne te juge certainement pas mais je vais prier pour toi afin que tes yeux s'ouvrent enfin.
translation in english : When you face Christ who will judge you, what will you say? That you did not know? I certainly do not judge you, but I will pray for you that your eyes will open one day.
I dont see how Joshua 24 has anything to do with being given a choice to accept Jesus Christ because He gave them a chance. Its written to people who were already chosen by God nationally Deut 7:6-8
6 For thou art an holy people unto the Lord thy God: the Lord thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.
7 The Lord did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:
8 But because the Lord loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the Lord brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.
Joshua was actually talking to Gods People already, had nothing to do with giving them a choice to get saved, and they were Gods people not by their choice but by Gods choice.
Your forcing something out of desperation .
Now you want to move from Joshua 24 and talk about people of Faith, a different subject, and nowhere in Heb 11 can you show me that God gave them a choice to get saved.
6 For thou art an holy people unto the Lord thy God: the Lord thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.
7 The Lord did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:
8 But because the Lord loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the Lord brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.
Joshua was actually talking to Gods People already, had nothing to do with giving them a choice to get saved, and they were Gods people not by their choice but by Gods choice.
Your forcing something out of desperation .
Now you want to move from Joshua 24 and talk about people of Faith, a different subject, and nowhere in Heb 11 can you show me that God gave them a choice to get saved.
There is a choice. He draws us to him he never enforces his gift on us he is known to call wanting us to come to him the scriptures clearly say that God desires that all be saved elect or not.
This means he offers it he call us but in the end we have choose to answer it or not.
The elect in general is not even agreed upong on who they really are arguments of predestination coinciding with the elect being pre destined or precalled to be saved or they are the church the saved in general but the elect I think is not a good basis to rely on with understanding this subject.
This means he offers it he call us but in the end we have choose to answer it or not.
The elect in general is not even agreed upong on who they really are arguments of predestination coinciding with the elect being pre destined or precalled to be saved or they are the church the saved in general but the elect I think is not a good basis to rely on with understanding this subject.
Well then consider God's character he desires all to be saved he is patient loving offers so much promises and blessings and rewards for those who come to him he is fair just and righteous in all his ways and he never enforces salvation.
So what does that say? He clealry offers salvation but if he never forces it on us and he desires all to be saved then a clear choise is evident there are many in hell after all and pre choosing people to be grafted into his kingdom when no one chooses to exist or the kind of life they were brought into it just goes against his character.
If the scriptures do not align with who he is then yeah our understanding of scripture is going to block our persception
It isn't enough to know the word of God if we don't first know him because if the scriptures seem to go against his personality his nature his traits who he is in general then something isn't right and we need to reconsider why it seems that way and how to look at it with his eyes and his understanding but that also requires that you lay down everything you thought you knew
As of now and I am not saying this to rebuke or dismiss you in any way but as of now you are only looking in a one dimensional view just the base layer there is much more to seeing and understanding the word of God than the words themselves the bible is like an onion opr the earths crust it has many layers.
But these layers go past the words themselves it goes into a point where you have the knowledge you know the word now it is time to to see and hear the deeper things the messages that the scriptures speak that you can't see at face vakue the character of God going much deeper first into knowing him personally and I mean really knowing him you see his nature his traits his attributes all in the word of God you see what he is triyng to get us to see and it all is him he is the truth the way and the life
This may seem like general knowledge yet it seems it is not really taken to heart and I was not innocent in this either it isn't that I was wrong or anything it is just I only say the first layer I studied it with a willing and teachable heart yes and my understanding and postion on doctrines was well versed from all the growth in debates but even so that is just it it was all my understanding it was the doctrines I bel8eved to be true the eyes I saw through when the only way to go deeper in this is him his understanding what he says the scriptures say and more than anything my base of understanding was not on and in him.
There is indeed many layers but it is also simple but our understanding our knowledge our maturity and foundation on the word all relies first on our relationship with him.
We have to know and understand him first and foremost so that when the scriptures don't seem to say something or don't align with the opposing view we have a true source to look at him compare everything to him if it doesn't fit with who he is then it is wrong no if and or but
So what does that say? He clealry offers salvation but if he never forces it on us and he desires all to be saved then a clear choise is evident there are many in hell after all and pre choosing people to be grafted into his kingdom when no one chooses to exist or the kind of life they were brought into it just goes against his character.
If the scriptures do not align with who he is then yeah our understanding of scripture is going to block our persception
It isn't enough to know the word of God if we don't first know him because if the scriptures seem to go against his personality his nature his traits who he is in general then something isn't right and we need to reconsider why it seems that way and how to look at it with his eyes and his understanding but that also requires that you lay down everything you thought you knew
As of now and I am not saying this to rebuke or dismiss you in any way but as of now you are only looking in a one dimensional view just the base layer there is much more to seeing and understanding the word of God than the words themselves the bible is like an onion opr the earths crust it has many layers.
But these layers go past the words themselves it goes into a point where you have the knowledge you know the word now it is time to to see and hear the deeper things the messages that the scriptures speak that you can't see at face vakue the character of God going much deeper first into knowing him personally and I mean really knowing him you see his nature his traits his attributes all in the word of God you see what he is triyng to get us to see and it all is him he is the truth the way and the life
This may seem like general knowledge yet it seems it is not really taken to heart and I was not innocent in this either it isn't that I was wrong or anything it is just I only say the first layer I studied it with a willing and teachable heart yes and my understanding and postion on doctrines was well versed from all the growth in debates but even so that is just it it was all my understanding it was the doctrines I bel8eved to be true the eyes I saw through when the only way to go deeper in this is him his understanding what he says the scriptures say and more than anything my base of understanding was not on and in him.
There is indeed many layers but it is also simple but our understanding our knowledge our maturity and foundation on the word all relies first on our relationship with him.
We have to know and understand him first and foremost so that when the scriptures don't seem to say something or don't align with the opposing view we have a true source to look at him compare everything to him if it doesn't fit with who he is then it is wrong no if and or but
your welcome to take part if you want to,😊.
Your also welcome to leave.
But please stop making the wrong Judgement calls about your own feelings, or something telling you the most special gift of them all causes division,
No it should pull us together, you've probably not discussed this topic befor with somebody who takes everything that is said and waits on the lord for an answer patiently before answering.
But if you feel you want to take part please bare in mind if your struggling you can do what I'm doing which is asking the holy spirit to lead and asking the holy spirit to help you be nice to his family, 😊
Also ask the holy spirit to help you to not be offended and to give you the patience to study a topic with a new understanding,😏🌞🌞🌞🌞🌞🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟
Your also welcome to leave.
But please stop making the wrong Judgement calls about your own feelings, or something telling you the most special gift of them all causes division,
No it should pull us together, you've probably not discussed this topic befor with somebody who takes everything that is said and waits on the lord for an answer patiently before answering.
But if you feel you want to take part please bare in mind if your struggling you can do what I'm doing which is asking the holy spirit to lead and asking the holy spirit to help you be nice to his family, 😊
Also ask the holy spirit to help you to not be offended and to give you the patience to study a topic with a new understanding,😏🌞🌞🌞🌞🌞🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟
you have a difference of opinion with many people here not just me. This should give you a hint , I forgot not to come back to this thread... lol
Look, is is o.k to have differences of opinion but know this, there is only one truth, is is to to do the will of God, our holy heavenly father and his beloved son Yeshua!.
Blessings brother in christ, see you on another thread.
Look, is is o.k to have differences of opinion but know this, there is only one truth, is is to to do the will of God, our holy heavenly father and his beloved son Yeshua!.
Blessings brother in christ, see you on another thread.
ok have it your way then, I don't want to discuss other people feelings when number one I don't know how there feeling and two you done know how I'm feeling and three assuming other peoples feelings is how your thinking there feeling on the internet is wrong Judgement call.
You've made the wrong Judgement call again.
Jesus came into the world to do the will of the father not us.
Jesus is are intercessor
No one comes to father accept through him.
The will of the father is to believe in the son.
The will of the father draws you to the son
You need to persevere so that when you have done the will of the father, you will receive what he has promised.
The will of the father is believe in the son and do good by his rightouse standards like believing in the son, then you reçieve the son.
The will of father then still stands which is directed by his son.
Through the fruits of the spirit you inherited sélf control which is a fruit of the spirit self control will power of the father.
and the son willing your steps.
Which is to obey Gods commandments, which if you have reçieved the fruits of the spirit you will obey Gods commandments 😊
Merci ma l'ami au revoir 😊
You've made the wrong Judgement call again.
Jesus came into the world to do the will of the father not us.
Jesus is are intercessor
No one comes to father accept through him.
The will of the father is to believe in the son.
The will of the father draws you to the son
You need to persevere so that when you have done the will of the father, you will receive what he has promised.
The will of the father is believe in the son and do good by his rightouse standards like believing in the son, then you reçieve the son.
The will of father then still stands which is directed by his son.
Through the fruits of the spirit you inherited sélf control which is a fruit of the spirit self control will power of the father.
and the son willing your steps.
Which is to obey Gods commandments, which if you have reçieved the fruits of the spirit you will obey Gods commandments 😊
Merci ma l'ami au revoir 😊
What you have spoken here is blaspheme my friend you might want to reconsider your thoughts on how successful he was what you have spoken is literally exactly what the tongue of satan would say
Not to mention regardless of where you stand on your beliefs to doubt his perfection as both God and man I mean even God the father who is all knowing knows this story from the beginning to the he end he wrote it after all you think he would allow any failure on his part knowing this?
Never once in scripture has God ever spoken ill of his son he has only praised him and honored him
Not to mention regardless of where you stand on your beliefs to doubt his perfection as both God and man I mean even God the father who is all knowing knows this story from the beginning to the he end he wrote it after all you think he would allow any failure on his part knowing this?
Never once in scripture has God ever spoken ill of his son he has only praised him and honored him
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I never really understood the gravity of that either. We all say and believe we are his children when we become saved but think about that we treat it as a relationship aspect only but consider exactly what being adopted into his family entails.
The scriptures speak of it like you are now royalty and now as such have certain rights as heirs so many completely wild blessings and promises spoken of that we recieve in become his adopted children.
If I didn't restrain myself I would go on and on about that alone there is much to say on it and even I only have a grasp of it just a vague understanding of it but it is something people tend to forget.
And it pleases him to do this that part if we understand exactly how completely unfairly generous he is being with all of this and the fact that it makes him happy to do so I mean that just hits me really hard I barely love myself I don't think I deserve anything from him I have done nothing and never can do anything to deserve it yet he loves me so much and it makes him so happy to bless us like that merely because we are his
I mean lets be honest he is an odd one
The scriptures speak of it like you are now royalty and now as such have certain rights as heirs so many completely wild blessings and promises spoken of that we recieve in become his adopted children.
If I didn't restrain myself I would go on and on about that alone there is much to say on it and even I only have a grasp of it just a vague understanding of it but it is something people tend to forget.
And it pleases him to do this that part if we understand exactly how completely unfairly generous he is being with all of this and the fact that it makes him happy to do so I mean that just hits me really hard I barely love myself I don't think I deserve anything from him I have done nothing and never can do anything to deserve it yet he loves me so much and it makes him so happy to bless us like that merely because we are his
I mean lets be honest he is an odd one
I never really understood the gravity of that either. We all say and believe we are his children when we become saved but think about that we treat it as a relationship aspect only but consider exactly what being adopted into his family entails.
The scriptures speak of it like you are now royalty and now as such have certain rights as heirs so many completely wild blessings and promises spoken of that we recieve in become his adopted children.
If I didn't restrain myself I would go on and on about that alone there is much to say on it and even I only have a grasp of it just a vague understanding of it but it is something people tend to forget.
And it pleases him to do this that part if we understand exactly how completely unfairly generous he is being with all of this and the fact that it makes him happy to do so I mean that just hits me really hard I barely love myself I don't think I deserve anything from him I have done nothing and never can do anything to deserve it yet he loves me so much and it makes him so happy to bless us like that merely because we are his
I mean lets be honest he is an odd one
The scriptures speak of it like you are now royalty and now as such have certain rights as heirs so many completely wild blessings and promises spoken of that we recieve in become his adopted children.
If I didn't restrain myself I would go on and on about that alone there is much to say on it and even I only have a grasp of it just a vague understanding of it but it is something people tend to forget.
And it pleases him to do this that part if we understand exactly how completely unfairly generous he is being with all of this and the fact that it makes him happy to do so I mean that just hits me really hard I barely love myself I don't think I deserve anything from him I have done nothing and never can do anything to deserve it yet he loves me so much and it makes him so happy to bless us like that merely because we are his
I mean lets be honest he is an odd one
I can imagine the gravity is we would just float away if the father wasn't willing are steps befor hand,
I find my pea brains is lead by a shepherd and I would get lost if I didñt have his word and his walky talky in my heart.
Despite how much intelligence I am capable of showing, God willed that into existence. When he gave mankind a mind.
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