problem related to praying in tongues

[VARob]

Agree, but not in this case, scripture is clear what is meant by "tongues" the word means known earthly languages spoken by people.

No, tongues simply means languages. You added "known earthly languages spoken by people."

 

[Locoponydirtman]

paul in no way diminishes or condemns the gift of tongues hes the main one that taught that tongues is a gift of the Holy Ghost in the body of Christ

He also is thankful that he himself received the gift of tongues and spoke I. Tongues more than Any of them

all I mean to say is Paul was never dismissive of tongues he just gave an ordered account of how to operate with the gifts

tongues is an authentic designed gift of the Holy Ghost we shouldn’t make light or be dismissive of things we don’t fully comprehend tongues is clearly an important gift of the spirit in the church it could be that many don’t conplrehene it because they don’t have that particular gift not everyone receives each gift but we should never dismiss others who receive gifts we don’t or label them trouble makers and distractions it could be maybe there’s a lot we don’t fully comprehend

Based on your first sentence, you in no way read my statement. If you want to talk about it try again, this time read what i wrote and resonnd to that.

 

[wolfwint]

problem related to praying in tongues

Matthew 6:6
But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

Matt 26:36
Then Jesus came with them to a garden called Gethsemane, and he said to his disciples: "Sit down here while I go and pray yonder."

Source: https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/search?q=pray+garden&translation=all

Praying like in Pentecostal / Charismatic Churches violates the teaching of Jesus above.

The next problem is, that it is combined in pentecostal and charismatic circles with the baptism of the Holy Spirit. Which excludes all believers which are not following the expieriences with the baptism of they Holy Spirit.

 

[Niki7]

problem related to praying in tongues

Matthew 6:6
But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

Matt 26:36
Then Jesus came with them to a garden called Gethsemane, and he said to his disciples: "Sit down here while I go and pray yonder."

Source: https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/search?q=pray+garden&translation=all

Praying like in Pentecostal / Charismatic Churches violates the teaching of Jesus above.

Oh the irony

That would actually violate ALL praying in ALL public places by anyone

oh

still learnin I guess and best not to rip verses out of context and apply them to situations you do not personally approve of

 

[Niki7]

Also Paul condemns that stuff as well, saying, if there isnt a translator keep it to yourself.
I sat in a nondenom church one time where these three women sat in the middle of the church and raised their hands and blathered the entire sermon. It was very distracting and not one usher said a word to them.

And that, ladies and gents, means that that personal experience was meant for a world wide condemnation of all churches everywhere where any person who spoke in tongues should ever do so even if doing so silently as per Paul's instructions because we all know that if even one church or person does it wrong, everyone everywhere should just shut up because one place did it wrong

I mean let's not correct as Paul did. No no! Let's just condemn and junk whatever it is that offends us for whatever reason

so much better that way

 

[Cameron143]

And that, ladies and gents, means that that personal experience was meant for a world wide condemnation of all churches everywhere where any person who spoke in tongues should ever do so even if doing so silently as per Paul's instructions because we all know that if even one church or person does it wrong, everyone everywhere should just shut up because one place did it wrong

I mean let's not correct as Paul did. No no! Let's just condemn and junk whatever it is that offends us for whatever reason

so much better that way

Soft answers turn away wrath. Sarcasm seldom changes minds, but only entrenches people in previously held beliefs.
Be apt to teach, just as Paul who you have mentioned. The wisdom of God is first peaceable.

 

[Niki7]

Soft answers turn away wrath. Sarcasm seldom changes minds, but only entrenches people in previously held beliefs.
Be apt to teach, just as Paul who you have mentioned. The wisdom of God is first peaceable.

You know, there was a time I would have been taken aback by a response like this but now I realize that some people just want their Christianity to be like some wilting flower at the back of a dead end street somewhere

Paul was usually in trouble because he was so bold. If you are offended, just don't read my posts.

Isn't this yr 1st post in this thread? Very telling I'm afraid.

 

[Niki7]

The next problem is, that it is combined in pentecostal and charismatic circles with the baptism of the Holy Spirit. Which excludes all believers which are not following the expieriences with the baptism of they Holy Spirit.

It's even worse than that. FYI: You don't have to be Pentecostal OR Charismatic to speak/pray and sing in tongues.

No one should ever follow an experience. We are to follow Christ in the power of the Holy Spirit.

 

[Cameron143]

You know, there was a time I would have been taken aback by a response like this but now I realize that some people just want their Christianity to be like some wilting flower at the back of a dead end street somewhere

Paul was usually in trouble because he was so bold. If you are offended, just don't read my posts.

Isn't this yr 1st post in this thread? Very telling I'm afraid.

Oh, I'm not offended. I just thought that if you took the time write something that you would want it to be received.
I don't object to anything you said. I just know the way you said it will cause it not to be received.

 

[Niki7]

False belief system indeed, tongues in Corinthians is "lingua" >>>> languages.

Even with sound exegesis people still prefer the deception, it isn't even that difficult to see deception, but emotions tend to trump reason most of the time.

From what I have seen, read and experienced, those emotions are often applied as a negative force against scripture and against those who do actually experience the gift of tongues in various ways.

How do you explain the fact that Paul says this:

14 Pursue love, and earnestly desire the spiritual gifts, especially that you may prophesy. 2 For one who speaks in a tongue speaks not to men but to God; for no one understands him, but he utters mysteries in the Spirit. 3 On the other hand, the one who prophesies speaks to people for their upbuilding and encouragement and consolation. 4 The one who speaks in a tongue builds up himself, but the one who prophesies builds up the church. 5 Now I want you all to speak in tongues, but even more to prophesy. The one who prophesies is greater than the one who speaks in tongues, unless someone interprets, so that the church may be built up.

Obviously the tongues Paul refers to here in I Corinthians are not known or the person praying would be understood. While Paul is correcting he also states this from the same chapter

13 Therefore, one who speaks in a tongue should pray that he may interpret. 14 For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays but my mind is unfruitful. 15 What am I to do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will pray with my mind also; I will sing praise with my spirit, but I will sing with my mind also. 16 Otherwise, if you give thanks with your spirit, how can anyone in the position of an outsider[b] say “Amen” to your thanksgiving when he does not know what you are saying? 17 For you may be giving thanks well enough, but the other person is not being built up. 18 I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you. 19 Nevertheless, in church I would rather speak five words with my mind in order to instruct others, than ten thousand words in a tongue.

And

39So, my brothers, be eager to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in tongues. 40But everything must be done in a proper and orderly manner. (still chapter 14)

So, we learn that the tongues Paul is teaching on are NOT known languages (unless those that might know them are not present...currently there are around 6500 languages, and that is a conservative number. ) So Paul is saying do not use tongues if you do not or cannot or there is no one present who can interpret as that helps no one if you do so out loud. You can pray quietly or under your breath with the same effect. Tongues are not for a show....no more than a person should just start speaking out loud over someone else.
Finally, we are told that tongues are not to be forbidden. So, those who do so, practice disobedience to the word.

 

[Niki7]

Oh, I'm not offended. I just thought that if you took the time write something that you would want it to be received.
I don't object to anything you said. I just know the way you said it will cause it not to be received.

You are wrong. You are not the Holy Spirit and not in charge of who or who does not receive or who might just be reading. 'You thought' is not good advice. It is simply what you think and there are many who think that what they think is the right way.

 

[Cameron143]

You are wrong. You are not the Holy Spirit and not in charge of who or who does not receive or who might just be reading. 'You thought' is not good advice. It is simply what you think and there are many who think that what they think is the right way.

Read a little closer. My reasoning was scriptural. Grace and peace.

 

[Magenta]

He writes of having faith to move a mountain..but that is hyperbole.. figurative.. therefore so is speaking in the tongues of angels.

Jesus' words in Matthew 17:20-21
Faith the size of a mustard seed moved the mountain of my unbelief .

 

[Niki7]

When Paul writes of speaking in the tongues of men and angels.. it's hyperbole.. exaggeration to make a point about tongues being inferior to the gifts of faith hope and love.

He writes of having faith to move a mountain..but that is hyperbole.. figurative.. therefore so is speaking in the tongues of angels.

Then you go to 1co 12 and see the guidelines for practicing tongues.. and who abides by them? I know none who do.

'Tongues of angels' here is simply hyperbole. This one sentence is the ONLY time they are mentioned, so best if you do not try to say those who are not cessationists think they are speaking in an angelic tongue.

I'll tell you what. I abide by the instructions set out by Paul and I disagree with the way many practice tongues today. They are one of the reasons so many are turned off.

So now you know at least one person who does abide by the instructions.

 

[DJT_47]

Also Paul condemns that stuff as well, saying, if there isnt a translator keep it to yourself.
I sat in a nondenom church one time where these three women sat in the middle of the church and raised their hands and blathered the entire sermon. It was very distracting and not one usher said a word to them.

Likewise. Before I became a Christian many, many years ago, I was invited to visit a church of God, and kind of on queue, everyone started blabbering incoherent nonsense at the ssme time for a while, and then they all stopped. That was it. Totally rediculous and unscriptural. Needless to say, that was the 1st and last time I went there or anywhere else Pentecostal. It's all nonsense.

 

[OLDMANBORNAGAIN]

Wouldn't speaking in tongues be annoying and off-putting, for people in the congregation who don't do it?!

 

[HeIsHere]

No, tongues simply means languages. You added "known earthly languages spoken by people."

I added this because that is what Paul was addressing in his letters to the Corinthians given the historical context of the church.

 

[HeIsHere]

Oh, I'm not offended. I just thought that if you took the time write something that you would want it to be received.
I don't object to anything you said. I just know the way you said it will cause it not to be received.

She uses capitals now most of the time so maybe a step in the right direction or maybe not.

 

[VARob]

I added this because that is what Paul was addressing in his letters to the Corinthians given the historical context of the church.

What do you mean by "historical context of the church"?

When a person speaks in tongues he does not know what he is saying (1 Cor 14:2). Since generally speaking, people who meet together all speak the same language, nobody else will understand it either, which is why when tongues is spoken aloud in the church, it must be interpreted so the church will be edified (1 Cor 14:5).

 

[Cameron143]

She uses capitals now most of the time so maybe a step in the right direction or maybe not.

I'll never understand why people take the time to learn and post things, and then do it in such a way as to ensure it's rejection. Perhaps the only thing worse is to have someone attempt to help you and reject that as well.
I've found both to be common online. Perhaps people aren't as humble and as spiritually mature as they think.