what about the many generations of Christian’s before now though ? They aren’t true Christian’s because they weren’t raptured out of tribulation they endured ?
It seems like as long as we’re in this world we’ll have tribulation on the world
“These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.”
John 16:33 KJV
seems like he was consistently preparing them to endure through tribulation in the world until he returned afterwards to gather his people and not lose faith when tribulation came upon them
So like Jesus is saying here when they asked him about this matter of jerusalems destruction and also the end of the world which was far off
“Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign when all these things shall be fulfilled?
And Jesus answering them began to say, Take heed lest any man deceive you: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
And when ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars, be ye not troubled: for such things must needs be; but the end shall not be yet.
For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be earthquakes in divers places, and there shall be famines and troubles: these are the beginnings of sorrows.
But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them. And the gospel must first be published among all nations. ( he’s telling them they are going to have to endure these things preparing them for them )
But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.( he’s promising to be with them and give them what they need to speak when it happens )
Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son; and children shall rise up against their parents, and shall cause them to be put to death. And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. ( these things will happen because of me but keep faith )
But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, then let them that be in Judæa flee to the mountains: and let him that is on the housetop not go down into the house, neither enter therein, to take any thing out of his house: But woe to them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter. For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.
And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.
And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not: ( it’s Jesus telling them ahead of time what’s going to happen preparing them to endure it all ) for false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.
But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things. ( he’s telling them pay attention I’ve told you ahead of time )
But in those days, after that tribulation, ( that he just explained they would endure and prepared them to keep faith when it happens )the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.
And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.”
Mark 13:4-15, 17-27 KJV
Do you see how Jesus is actually warning them who believe in him , beforehand that they will go through many trials and tribulations before the end comes but they should keep faith in him when ot happens and be saved ?
but the opposite he’s saying that it’s going to come so keep faith when it does . “ when all this happens don’t let anyone deceive you there’s going to be many false prophets trying to but stand firm to the end of all this tribulation of the would in telling you about and you’ll be saved “
The apostles taught the same thing because Jesus taught them that
“confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.”
Acts 14:22 KJV
“Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.
But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you.”
1 Peter 5:8-10 KJV
Tribulation is something Jesus suffered during his time in flesh and blood and it’s something some Christian’s also suffer while in the flesh and blood not all chrortoans suffer through generations of great tribulation like the early church did facing mass slaughters and persecutions but if we do we have to endure it as Christian’s with faith is the thing
It’s different in this life for people of faith but faith is not about this world
“Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection:
and others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment: they were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented; (of whom the world was not worthy:) they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth. And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.”
Hebrews 11:35-40
Tribulation is just part of this world for Christian’s some face much tribulation and inherit everlasting life others face little tribulation and inherit eternal life because they were Ive at different times early Christianity was violently assaulted by Rome and Jews early on rome ended up slaughtering unknown hundreds of thousands possibly millions of Christian’s under Nero and Titus and the subsequent rulers
they were thrown into arenas with hungry wild beasts because they would ntdeny Jesus , hanged on crosses and burned alive soaked in oil used as human torches to light Nero’s garden circus hanged burned boiled killed by the sword by wild beasts starved ect this happened for bout a solid thirty years and less happened for another two hundred years of Romes thereafter failing power when it was a state sponsored law to persecute Christian’s
“And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.”
1 John 5:19
None of them who endured those things were ever raptured to keep them from them
there’s a gigantic difference in tribulation and Gods wrath to come we’re going to be saved from the wrath to come but tribulation is part of the world it’s been happening for two thousand years to Christian’s it will happen until the end
It seems like as long as we’re in this world we’ll have tribulation on the world
“These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.”
John 16:33 KJV
seems like he was consistently preparing them to endure through tribulation in the world until he returned afterwards to gather his people and not lose faith when tribulation came upon them
So like Jesus is saying here when they asked him about this matter of jerusalems destruction and also the end of the world which was far off
“Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign when all these things shall be fulfilled?
And Jesus answering them began to say, Take heed lest any man deceive you: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
And when ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars, be ye not troubled: for such things must needs be; but the end shall not be yet.
For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be earthquakes in divers places, and there shall be famines and troubles: these are the beginnings of sorrows.
But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them. And the gospel must first be published among all nations. ( he’s telling them they are going to have to endure these things preparing them for them )
But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.( he’s promising to be with them and give them what they need to speak when it happens )
Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son; and children shall rise up against their parents, and shall cause them to be put to death. And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. ( these things will happen because of me but keep faith )
But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, then let them that be in Judæa flee to the mountains: and let him that is on the housetop not go down into the house, neither enter therein, to take any thing out of his house: But woe to them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter. For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.
And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.
And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not: ( it’s Jesus telling them ahead of time what’s going to happen preparing them to endure it all ) for false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.
But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things. ( he’s telling them pay attention I’ve told you ahead of time )
But in those days, after that tribulation, ( that he just explained they would endure and prepared them to keep faith when it happens )the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.
And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.”
Mark 13:4-15, 17-27 KJV
Do you see how Jesus is actually warning them who believe in him , beforehand that they will go through many trials and tribulations before the end comes but they should keep faith in him when ot happens and be saved ?
but the opposite he’s saying that it’s going to come so keep faith when it does . “ when all this happens don’t let anyone deceive you there’s going to be many false prophets trying to but stand firm to the end of all this tribulation of the would in telling you about and you’ll be saved “
The apostles taught the same thing because Jesus taught them that
“confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.”
Acts 14:22 KJV
“Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.
But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you.”
1 Peter 5:8-10 KJV
Tribulation is something Jesus suffered during his time in flesh and blood and it’s something some Christian’s also suffer while in the flesh and blood not all chrortoans suffer through generations of great tribulation like the early church did facing mass slaughters and persecutions but if we do we have to endure it as Christian’s with faith is the thing
It’s different in this life for people of faith but faith is not about this world
“Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection:
and others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment: they were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented; (of whom the world was not worthy:) they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth. And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.”
Hebrews 11:35-40
Tribulation is just part of this world for Christian’s some face much tribulation and inherit everlasting life others face little tribulation and inherit eternal life because they were Ive at different times early Christianity was violently assaulted by Rome and Jews early on rome ended up slaughtering unknown hundreds of thousands possibly millions of Christian’s under Nero and Titus and the subsequent rulers
they were thrown into arenas with hungry wild beasts because they would ntdeny Jesus , hanged on crosses and burned alive soaked in oil used as human torches to light Nero’s garden circus hanged burned boiled killed by the sword by wild beasts starved ect this happened for bout a solid thirty years and less happened for another two hundred years of Romes thereafter failing power when it was a state sponsored law to persecute Christian’s
“And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.”
1 John 5:19
None of them who endured those things were ever raptured to keep them from them
there’s a gigantic difference in tribulation and Gods wrath to come we’re going to be saved from the wrath to come but tribulation is part of the world it’s been happening for two thousand years to Christian’s it will happen until the end
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