Zionism among the Evangelicals is contradicted by Scripture
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Looking back at my embarrassing grammar and punctuation skills...
I was referring back to Isaiah 54, where 54:3 was offered with an opinion of its interpretation. Within Bible Hub's word study tools, there is a feature that explains the morphology of every word written within any particular verse by hovering over it. It may take a little further research to understand the significance of each part of speech. Noun, masculine, and singular are commonly understood examples but something like "accusative" case might require a review of exactly what that means.
One has to be pretty stupid to believe Replacement Theology. Even Revelation chapter 7 should suffice.
I'm not sure what you mean. The Israelites/Jews NEVER possessed all the land from the Nile to the Euphrates. But since God promised that to Abraham's descendants through Isaac and Jacob, it must be fulfilled in the future under Christ. There are multiple prophecies about the future of redeemed and restored Israel and particularly Jerusalem.
As to the present nation-state of Israel, they are there in unbelief and will face divine judgment. Jerusalem as it stands is called Sodom and Egypt. But God will gather all the twelve tribes from around the world and bring them to the land of Israel so that they may be saved. But not all will be saved. The nation of Israel will then be redeemed and restored with all twelve tribes in possession of their allotted portions of land. David will be prince over Israel under Christ, and the twelve apostles will sit on twelve thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel. It is all there in Scripture.
It creeps in again and again. They just rename it. It's so clearly wrong but I have never seen a subject cause so much hostility as this one, as you can see in this thread. smh
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I have looked it up, and it is true. Its found in B.Gittin 56B-57A:
(I dont know why that is so big and bold).
In the passage Titus, Balaam, and Jesus are called up by a necromancer and asked what their punishment in Hell is.
Well, there ya go. Look things up for yourself, and see.
There are other very nasty things like, its ok to lie or decieve a goyim, or even steel from one, or even kill one. Goyim is a nonjew, or gentile as it were.
But hey keep sending money to support people who use our money to study such nasty things. Thats your call.
We know that Revelation 7 and 14 speak of future events. So while at the present time no one know who belongs to the lost tribes of Israel, God certainly knows. Therefore he spells out the 12 tribes in the final book of the Bible. Which means that eventually they all will be identified. What we have in Revelation 7 are these tribes:
- Judah
- Reuben
- Gad
- Asher
- Naphthali
- Manasseh
- Simeon
- Levi
- Issachar
- Zebulon
- Joseph
- Benjamin
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Romans 11 does nkt stand alone, one has to read Romans 11 through the reading of previous passages like 9 and 10. Romans was not originally written in chapter and verse.
Romans 9, 10, and 11 are one subject addressed by the writter and must be read and understood in its full context.
I dont know what replacement theology is, but if they assume something has come and replaced the promise then yeah they are wrong. One does however have to understand that all the promises are through Christ by faith.
True, The kingdom of God is not meat & drink but Jesus did eat after his resurrection.
I don't think you are a Gnostic. Only that your Christian belief, as you have explained it is Gnositc "like".
An early church heresy mixed Gnosticism with Christianity. One of the main Gnostic beliefs was that there is a "divine spark"
in man but the physical or material creation is evil. They taught a mystical spirituality.
Our God told us that he created earth and man and the creation he made was was good. We are waiting for the redemption of
our bodies and all creation.
Israel wanted a king "to be like the nations around us" (1 Sam 8:4)
So God gave them Saul, who became a tyrant king. Both their timing and their motive for seeking a king was wrong.
But King David was God's choice. David is a type of Messiah though not Messiah himself. To avoid an excessively lengthy post
I won't to get in to too much detail. But Kingship itself is not wrong. Before Samuel, God gave instruction in the law for kings.
(Duet 17:14-20) Mary was told that Jesus is given the throne of David. Luke 1:32-33
Psalm 2 describes how God installs his son on earth as king to govern the nations.
Replacement theology or supersessionism is the belief that all the blessings that God gave to Israel are transferred to "the curch".
The church literally replaces Israel. The church is the "real Israel"
Curiously they take on all the blessings and positive promises to Israel but none of the conditions or chastisements.
btw the context of the entire letter to The Romans doesn't alter the teaching in Romans 11.
Mat_11:12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.
Mat_12:28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.
Mar_1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
Luk_17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
Luk 22:15 And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer:
Luk 22:16 For I say unto you, I will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God.
Most often i have been given the label of Calvinist . Which holds to total depravity . I do not understand what i have said to give you the impression you have . FYI i was raised from the cradle in Scofields version of dispensationalism. About 35-40 years ago checking his notes against the Scriptures i was freed of dispensationalism.
We just do not get the same understanding from Psalms 2
The Reign of the Lord's Anointed
Psa 2:1 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?
Psa 2:2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,
Psa 2:3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.
Psa 2:4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.
Psa 2:5 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.
Psa 2:6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.
Psa 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
Psa 2:8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
Psa 2:9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.
Psa 2:10 Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.
Psa 2:11 Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling.
Psa 2:12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.
Heb 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Heb 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
Heb 12:25 See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:
Heb 12:26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.
Heb 12:27 And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.
Heb 12:28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:
Heb 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire.
I'm not trying to give you a label.
I'm just trying to discuss the validity of prophecy concerning Jesus' kingship of the earth.
I've never had a Scofield Bible or held to dispensationalism. I don't get my ideas about The Kingdom of God from any of that.
What is there to differ about?
There is no way to interpret this as a kingdom that only exists in the spirit-world.
What heathen could be raging against the annointed Messiah other than people on earth?
Vs 2 Kings of the earth. Not heavenly places
Vs 6 Zion is the mountain in Jesrusalem.
Vs 7 The son is The King
Vs 8 the uttermost parts of the earth. The earth. How much more specific can it be? Jesus reigns on the earth.
Vs 9 Who would Jesus be dashing to pieces if he was not on earth physically?
Vs 10 Kings, Judges of again........the earth
No unseen, intangible kingdom can possibly fulfill Psalm 2.
I am sorry if I misunderstand you. Perhaps you could tell me if you believe there is a second coming of Jesus.
And if so, what you expect it to be like.
Yes i believe he will come again! No way can i put to words what i expect that to be like.
1Co_15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
why want a worldly kingdom when He plainly says HIs Kingdom of not of this world.
Jesus reigns over the earth He is King ! A earthly throne is a point we not agree on .
Act_7:49 Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest?
Hope a pleasant exchange of thought ideas will continue.
I very seldom give an answer on the fly. Especially on these subjects, they are taken out of context or simply spread by people who are Jew haters. Jews have denied these charges for years and years. Blood libels, they have been kicked out of country after country based on these lies. And they have been murdered because of them.
Everyone says they don't believe in Replacement Theology. If they didn't they would agree with what I stated, and what your sister believes and what you yourself said you once believed.
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Locoponydirtman
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This is the same ole same ole with this person. Anti-Semite is the other insult sometimes used.
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Locoponydirtman
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I looked up my assertion and there on book they gave the address. I didn't Source some radical whatever.