Ukraine the bad guy?

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JohnDB

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So that you can read it.....!
It's pure fantasy fiction...nothing could be further from the truth. It's one of the dumbest articles I've read to date and I want my time back.

If you are not going to be genuine in our discussions then you go on the "ignore" group.

Last chance!
 

ChristsChild

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For me it is odd to pick a side in a war between these two.
What we're told about it is reported by a bias media we can't trust to tell us about what's happening here.
 

cv5

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It's pure fantasy fiction...nothing could be further from the truth. It's one of the dumbest articles I've read to date and I want my time back.

If you are not going to be genuine in our discussions then you go on the "ignore" group.

Last chance!
Last chance for some humor?

 

JohnDB

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For me it is odd to pick a side in a war between these two.
What we're told about it is reported by a bias media we can't trust to tell us about what's happening here.
Okay....
Russia invaded another sovereign nation. Unprovoked!

Russia has been working on this for 15 years. Long before the initial invasion in 2014 with moving in Russian loyalists to the regions and stirring up dissent and voting irregularities in Ukranian's elections.

Russia, with Putin at the helm, is reverting to old stalinist policies and tactics....has committed genocide willingly and openly.

Where war is brutal, ugly, and completely evil....it should be avoided at all costs....but when invaded by a foreign power intent upon killing and stealing you must fight to protect your citizens.

And as part of the Non-proliferation treaty that we signed with Ukraine we are supporting them with intelligence, weaponry, training, and tactics.

So yes, we choose a side.

No one wins in war....just one side loses less.
 

cv5

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Okay....
Russia invaded another sovereign nation. Unprovoked!

Russia has been working on this for 15 years. Long before the initial invasion in 2014 with moving in Russian loyalists to the regions and stirring up dissent and voting irregularities in Ukranian's elections.

Russia, with Putin at the helm, is reverting to old stalinist policies and tactics....has committed genocide willingly and openly.

Where war is brutal, ugly, and completely evil....it should be avoided at all costs....but when invaded by a foreign power intent upon killing and stealing you must fight to protect your citizens.

And as part of the Non-proliferation treaty that we signed with Ukraine we are supporting them with intelligence, weaponry, training, and tactics.

So yes, we choose a side.
I for one will not die for the sake of an international mafia gangland turf war, furthermore will avoid being in the crossfire if at all possible. The only sane reason to participate would be as a highly paid mercenary. And this, being morally reprehensible to me as well, is quite impossible as a viable option.
 

JohnDB

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“The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media.” —William Colby, Former CIA Director

I believe it.
That's American media...

Not international media.

The WHOLE WORLD has risen up against Russia on this. It's not a joke or a game or some trivial banter on an internet forum. Lives and families are forever destroyed because of what Russia has done.
 

ChristsChild

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That's American media...

Not international media.

The WHOLE WORLD has risen up against Russia on this. It's not a joke or a game or some trivial banter on an internet forum. Lives and families are forever destroyed because of what Russia has done.
I wouldn't say international media is exempt from corruption.
 

cv5

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I wouldn't say international media is exempt from corruption.
Equally as bad. No doubt about that.
In my humble opinion it is patently obvious that all of the western press is about as bad as the old Soviet Union was. In terms of anything of importance.....expect nothing less than 100% pre-packaged propaganda 100% of the time.
 

ChristsChild

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Equally as bad. No doubt about that.
In my humble opinion it is patently obvious that all of the western press is about as bad as the old Soviet Union was. In terms of anything of importance.....expect nothing less than 100% pre-packaged propaganda 100% of the time.
I agree.
The media informs people's thoughts about everything that relates to their personal and national security. Their lives. Rarely is the news totally happy reporting.
 

mailmandan

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Russia Claims US Behind Drone Attack on Kremlin

https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/russia-ukraine-u-s/2023/05/04/id/1118551/

Russia accused the United States on Thursday of being behind what it says was a drone attack on the Kremlin intended to kill President Vladimir Putin.

Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov made the allegation in a briefing to reporters, saying Washington should be aware that Russia knew it was selecting the targets and Ukraine was merely implementing U.S. plans. He did not provide any evidence to support the claim of U.S. involvement.

Ukraine has denied involvement in the incident in the early hours of Wednesday, when video footage showed two flying objects approaching the Kremlin and one exploding with a bright flash.
 

JohnDB

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I wouldn't say international media is exempt from corruption.
I wouldn't either....but Aljazeera is not going to accept Western bribery or control the way they would from Muslim control.

And the core facts are not in dispute by anyone.

Russia started this war in 2014. Russia went for full occupation over a year ago.

Russia invaded and is occupying a sovereign nation.. By a standing treaty we and the rest of the Whole World are providing assistance to Ukraine against Russia including the likes of the Philippines, Europe, India and South Korea. There are even Canadian citizens who have gone to Ukraine to fight for Ukraine. That says a LOT right there.

Those are the core facts.
 

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Russia Claims US Behind Drone Attack on Kremlin

https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/russia-ukraine-u-s/2023/05/04/id/1118551/

Russia accused the United States on Thursday of being behind what it says was a drone attack on the Kremlin intended to kill President Vladimir Putin.

Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov made the allegation in a briefing to reporters, saying Washington should be aware that Russia knew it was selecting the targets and Ukraine was merely implementing U.S. plans. He did not provide any evidence to support the claim of U.S. involvement.

Ukraine has denied involvement in the incident in the early hours of Wednesday, when video footage showed two flying objects approaching the Kremlin and one exploding with a bright flash.
This is like the Godfather, they tried to kill the Godfather twice, but Michael was a businessman, he understood it wasn't personal, just business, so he met with McCluskey and Sollozzo at the restaurant to talk things out. So I feel sure that Putin, NATO and the US can talk this out over a nice spaghetti or veal parmesan.

 

iamsoandso

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It makes no sense,, Who would attack a fortified position(the Kremlin) with a weapon(drone) that doesn't have the capability of penetrating it?
 

JohnDB

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It makes no sense,, Who would attack a fortified position(the Kremlin) with a weapon(drone) that doesn't have the capability of penetrating it?
There are no definitive answers yet.
Some are saying false flag, some blaming America, some blaming Ukraine, some saying internal Russians upset with their new stalinist policies, some saying a contest between rival drone makers....the theories are almost endless.

What we do know is that the drones did no damage. We will eventually know but not as yet.

Russia has a huge parade coming up on May 9th. May 9th festivals across the Old Soviet Bloc nations were once very popular with picnics and parades in every city square. Almost as popular as Christmas in America. That's why the huge push into some of the cities in Ukraine so they have a big city victory to claim during their holiday.

Dog and pony shows are the rule in every culture.
 

cv5

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I wouldn't either....but Aljazeera is not going to accept Western bribery or control the way they would from Muslim control.

And the core facts are not in dispute by anyone.

Russia started this war in 2014. Russia went for full occupation over a year ago.

Russia invaded and is occupying a sovereign nation.. By a standing treaty we and the rest of the Whole World are providing assistance to Ukraine against Russia including the likes of the Philippines, Europe, India and South Korea. There are even Canadian citizens who have gone to Ukraine to fight for Ukraine. That says a LOT right there.

Those are the core facts.
India is buying up huge quantities of oil, refining it, then selling it back at a huge markup to the clueless west.
Another farcical keystone kops moment.

Did OPEC give Russia the boot?