Calvin did not invent the doctrines of grace

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My birth name is Francis, which means "a frank", which were named for their freedom.

Sophia is not my birth name, yet it is my familial relation.

I do not think they are hidden at all, they are very clear but most somehow still manage to miss.

The early Church Fathers noted Hermes Trismegistus as an early example of the Christian message, and it is because he is also the embodiment of the Logos for that tradition. He is also considered a companion of Moses or his teacher even by some, I am somewhat familiar with the texts but find nothing particularly revealing in them. I think they are enjoyed because Christianity actively rejects what the Hermits never did.

Gnosis is a translation of the greek for knowledge, just as the latin is science.

For me John 17:20-26 and Ephesians 3:16-19 directly suggest such an approach, but I do not uphold other doctrines where they are contrary... like the early Church I take what is of God from everywhere to better understand him.

The worldview is picked up in places like Galatians 3:28-29 and Ephesians 2:11-22 among other places, while I also use Hebrews 7:1-28 and 2 Corinthians 3:1-18 to hammer home the latter... everything I'm saying is directly asserted in the bible in one way or another... indeed, Galatians 1:8 curses me for being contrary.
Ok thanks for the honest reply just could hear other philosophies in your words so was curious to their influences. By enjoyed do you mean enjoined unless otherwise noted? As I would ask have you read of the temptation of Christ. How in that when he was tempted you have the truth presented then the false equivalency seeking to make a association thereby perverting the truth. Same way that Satan tempted Christ was the way he deceived Eve. That is the deception of our enemy, those that be in Christ.

He adds to the word of God, first he quoted the truth then he added to it, to deceive by making a false association. Why Christ said he is the way, the truth, and the life. It is definitive nothing more can be added to it. Narrow is that way that leads to life. Reason being only one man Christ, God in the flesh has walked that way and we to follow in his footsteps. So it is most narrow as only one has walked the way and thereby calls himself the way. Wide is the way that leads to destruction because every guru and teacher has walked that way and that path well beaten down.

In your end, it will be sad my friend and I will be in prayer for you from this moment on. As the path you are on will end with you saying Lord, Lord, have I not done this and that in your name and he will say depart from me, I never knew you. You are under deception my friend and I fear for you as your end answer to all you seek will be the reply depart from me. I will be praying for you and hope others here as well will do also as you are under deception. My hope is that we may hear a testimony of the greatness of God how he removed the blinders of deception and that you were once blind and now you see. Thank you for your time I am going to go now as I am going to pray.
 
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Hate those living by grace? No Christian hates anyone spiritually alive by God's grace through Christ, they welcome it - they are spiritual brethren.

[Gal 2:20-21 KJV]
20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness [come] by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
Most of Christianity thinks we're still under the covenant of Moses and they're becoming a threat to humanities future.

I usually include Galatians 2:19 when I quote this.
 
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By "those living by grace" you mean yourself, right? LOL. You are so predictable.
I would certainly claim with honesty that I am under grace.

I have already said this is not an exclusive claim, indeed, the whole point of speaking is to help others towards it.
 
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Ok thanks for the honest reply just could hear other philosophies in your words so was curious to their influences. By enjoyed do you mean enjoined unless otherwise noted? As I would ask have you read of the temptation of Christ. How in that when he was tempted you have the truth presented then the false equivalency seeking to make a association thereby perverting the truth. Same way that Satan tempted Christ was the way he deceived Eve. That is the deception of our enemy, those that be in Christ.

He adds to the word of God, first he quoted the truth then he added to it, to deceive by making a false association. Why Christ said he is the way, the truth, and the life. It is definitive nothing more can be added to it. Narrow is that way that leads to life. Reason being only one man Christ, God in the flesh has walked that way and we to follow in his footsteps. So it is most narrow as only one has walked the way and thereby calls himself the way. Wide is the way that leads to destruction because every guru and teacher has walked that way and that path well beaten down.

In your end, it will be sad my friend and I will be in prayer for you from this moment on. As the path you are on will end with you saying Lord, Lord, have I not done this and that in your name and he will say depart from me, I never knew you. You are under deception my friend and I fear for you as your end answer to all you seek will be the reply depart from me. I will be praying for you and hope others here as well will do also as you are under deception. My hope is that we may hear a testimony of the greatness of God how he removed the blinders of deception and that you were once blind and now you see. Thank you for your time I am going to go now as I am going to pray.
Galatians 1:8 says anything contrary is cursed...

Galatians 5:4 says those of the law are not under grace...

1 John 4:7-21 says fear is a function of incomplete love.
 
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Even if I'm talking on another tradition I am conveying how it relates to Galatians...

This has not been a major theme so far here, unsurprisingly.
 

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I would certainly claim with honesty that I am under grace.

I have already said this is not an exclusive claim, indeed, the whole point of speaking is to help others towards it.
You have said much to indicate you do not believe any other "true believers" are here.

But then, as I already said, you project a lot.
 
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The early Church did this all the time but today we are afraid to actually find truth.
 
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You have said much to indicate you do not believe any other "true believers" are here.

But then, as I already said, you project a lot.
I am certainly saying that so far no one knows God that I've interacted with.

My basis for saying anyone is not Christian is the combination of Luke 14:26 and Galatians 5:4

I do not assert opinions.
 
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I want to reiterate that I've met others online that really had the Spirit too...

I am not making exclusive claims, I'm just being honest.

Certainly I would like the percentage to be raised.
 
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It's actually very important to me, you can't find truth if you aren't even honest with yourself.
 
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People think I blurt things out, but this is a decade of learning how to express authentically.

It's all I live for, there is nothing else worthwhile here.
 

Cameron143

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People think I blurt things out, but this is a decade of learning how to express authentically.

It's all I live for, there is nothing else worthwhile here.
How can you tell if someone is saved or not?
 
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How can you tell if someone is saved or not?
If you are saved you will see where others are...

1 Corinthians 2:12-16 explains this in odd language...

Generally since God is one the statements of the saved will be towards unity.
 
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There is also the energetic aspect, but even without that truth is recognized through all expressions if you actually know it.
 

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If you are saved you will see where others are...

1 Corinthians 2:12-16 explains this in odd language...

Generally since God is one the statements of the saved will be towards unity.
Can you also tell by the fruit of the Spirit being exercised through them?
 
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Can you also tell by the fruit of the Spirit being exercised through them?
What do you mean by that?

If you understood me you would experience the Spirit directly right now.

For me that is the only valid fruit of Christ.