Baptism, the simple version.
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That was part of the portion I was referring too. The need for ceremonial cleansing. The washing of the body and clothing but this is not Baptism. I have seen some that have equated this to a form of Baptism but it in no way represents the Baptism that we have today - which represents our solidarity in the death and resurrection in Christ.
Are do you see this differently?
Are do you see this differently?
It was a requirement for priests before performing their duties... and Jesus is now our high priest.
Of course we do not do it for the same reason. It is still baptism.
And I keep coming back to this:
Jeremiah 2:13 My people have committed two sins: They have forsaken me, the spring
of living water, and have dug their own cisterns, broken cisterns that cannot hold water.
Of course we do not do it for the same reason. It is still baptism.
And I keep coming back to this:
Jeremiah 2:13 My people have committed two sins: They have forsaken me, the spring
of living water, and have dug their own cisterns, broken cisterns that cannot hold water.
Okay... if you wish to see it that way. It is not worth an argument over.
Yes, Jeremiah 2:13 is a beautiful warning. The people have turned from the true God and the living waters - the living waters that are said of Christ Himself. These living waters quicken the dead, refresh the Saints and provide an abundant spiritual life for God's people. These living waters were exchanged for that which can be had in the world. Cisterns primarily collected rain water, thus what the world gave and at best, would only last a short season. However, being broken cisterns, they would hold nothing to sustain one.
A foolish decision indeed.
Yes, Jeremiah 2:13 is a beautiful warning. The people have turned from the true God and the living waters - the living waters that are said of Christ Himself. These living waters quicken the dead, refresh the Saints and provide an abundant spiritual life for God's people. These living waters were exchanged for that which can be had in the world. Cisterns primarily collected rain water, thus what the world gave and at best, would only last a short season. However, being broken cisterns, they would hold nothing to sustain one.
A foolish decision indeed.
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That is a good question. What do we know is appropriate here and what is not.
We know that John was baptizing on evidence of ones repentance of sin but in Jesus' case there was no need for Him to repent of anything. This is why John objected.
However, Jesus came to do His Father's will and part of that was to fulfill His association with Baptism. Since Jesus is building His body, the church and the ordinance of Baptism belongs to that body, how could Christ not be a part of it. After all, He is called the first of the many that will make up the body. John Gill had this to say:
It became John to administer the ordinance of baptism to Christ, as he was his forerunner, and the only administrator of it, and that he might fulfil the ministry which he had received; and as it became Christ to fulfil all righteousness, moral and ceremonial, and baptism being a part of his Father's will, which he came to do, it became him to fulfil this also.
In this way, He fulfilled all righteousness. As we know, there is more to this all righteousness but this is one of the needs.
We know that John was baptizing on evidence of ones repentance of sin but in Jesus' case there was no need for Him to repent of anything. This is why John objected.
However, Jesus came to do His Father's will and part of that was to fulfill His association with Baptism. Since Jesus is building His body, the church and the ordinance of Baptism belongs to that body, how could Christ not be a part of it. After all, He is called the first of the many that will make up the body. John Gill had this to say:
It became John to administer the ordinance of baptism to Christ, as he was his forerunner, and the only administrator of it, and that he might fulfil the ministry which he had received; and as it became Christ to fulfil all righteousness, moral and ceremonial, and baptism being a part of his Father's will, which he came to do, it became him to fulfil this also.
In this way, He fulfilled all righteousness. As we know, there is more to this all righteousness but this is one of the needs.
1st of all, Hebrews 9 is clear as relates to when the NT took effect and how that further effects the poor argument made regarding the thief in the cross. You couldn't be baptized into Christ while he was yet alive. You couldn't be baptized into his death as Romans 6 says or be buried with him by baptism. He forgave the thief no different than he did the adulterous woman and others, while the old covenant was still in effect, not that it was done according to Jewish law but simply done while the old covenant was operative, nor the NT.
And the scriptures say, or rather strongly infer, what the origin of John's baptism was as Jesus asked that rhetorical question of the chief priests as recorded in Luke 20:4.
And John's baptism, the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins (luke 3:3) was identical to the baptism described in Acts 2:38 except in the later scripture it was also done "in the name of Jesus Christ". By John's baptism, you weren't baptized into Christ, didn't receive the gift of the Holy Ghost, nor added to the church (Acts 2:47) by tye Lord. John's baptism would also had to been repeated upon sinning thereafter unlike that of Acts 2:38 afterwhich future sins are dealt with by repentance. That's why the Ephesians had to be re-baptized as well as would anyone else baptized unto John's baptism.
And the scriptures say, or rather strongly infer, what the origin of John's baptism was as Jesus asked that rhetorical question of the chief priests as recorded in Luke 20:4.
And John's baptism, the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins (luke 3:3) was identical to the baptism described in Acts 2:38 except in the later scripture it was also done "in the name of Jesus Christ". By John's baptism, you weren't baptized into Christ, didn't receive the gift of the Holy Ghost, nor added to the church (Acts 2:47) by tye Lord. John's baptism would also had to been repeated upon sinning thereafter unlike that of Acts 2:38 afterwhich future sins are dealt with by repentance. That's why the Ephesians had to be re-baptized as well as would anyone else baptized unto John's baptism.
You are not looking at Acts 2 and 10 correctly as the falling of the Holy Ghost in these 2 instances were not the norm but anomalies and can't be used as you've suggested. There are numerous postings covering this subject as well as threads entitled "Spiritual gifts: them" parts 1 thru 4. Please see them.
But simply put, in both Acts 2 and 10, the Holy Spirit fell unilaterally without the laying on of the apostle's hands, and in both cases did so as a heavenly sign and validation of what was occurring to those present. In both cases, the church began; 1st in Jerusalem amongst the Jews, and then in Caesarea amongst the Gentiles. No other time did the Holy Spirit become manifested in the form of miraculous gifts without the laying on of the apostle's hands.
But simply put, in both Acts 2 and 10, the Holy Spirit fell unilaterally without the laying on of the apostle's hands, and in both cases did so as a heavenly sign and validation of what was occurring to those present. In both cases, the church began; 1st in Jerusalem amongst the Jews, and then in Caesarea amongst the Gentiles. No other time did the Holy Spirit become manifested in the form of miraculous gifts without the laying on of the apostle's hands.
The baptizer does bear responsibility. He is accountable to God for what he teaches and how he administers baptism. The reality of remitting sin that comes about through obedience to God-ordained water baptism is no small matter. (John 20:21-23)
"Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.
And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained." (John 20:21-23)
There are man-made preachers and Jesus disciples. Jesus disciples have received the Holy Ghost and are sent. (Luke 24:46-49) Whereas man-made preachers proceed into ministry prior to being equipped for the task; and sadly some may never be.
Albeit sincere, many teach baptism from the standpoint of man-made tradition. One begun years after the apostolic era by the forerunners of a church that consistently goes against God's word. And even considers Protestant church members as daughters of their self-proclaimed mother church; since they still conform to the water baptize practice they distorted. (Roman Catholic Church) Jesus cautioned about accepting tradition that makes the word of God of none effect. (Matt. 15:6, Mark 7:13)
I relied upon the teachings of a "man of God" prior to receiving revelation in God's word concerning baptism.
As a young believer seeking God, I was instructed to be baptized in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost as a public display of my belief in Jesus and His sacrifice. Some years later I was surprised to realize that what I had been taught did not line up with the word.
I believe it was the Holy Ghost that led me on a journey pointing out the truth as revealed in scripture. I became aware of just how the apostles administered baptisms. And that they baptized everyone in Jesus' name because it was He who was crucified for the sins of everyone. And that it is through obedience to baptism in His name that one's personal sin is washed away. (Acts 22:16, 2:38...) Also, the reality that Paul pointed out; that those who are baptized have been connected with Jesus; being buried with Him into His death. (Rom. 6:3-6)
I was very surprised that there was no evidence that anyone in the NT was ever baptized an other way then in the name of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. And that was a powerful witness of the truth in and of itself.
Consider also the believers of Jesus, to whom He will profess, I never knew you. Wow. What a shock. Clearly they had been misled by some erroneous teaching; what was missing? They believed in Jesus there is no question of that, Yet they still heard those dreaded words. It brings to mind the possibility that they had not been buried with Him through baptism. It is a convincing argument considering after Jesus made that profound statement, (Matthew 7:23) He goes on to point out the error of the foolish man that built on a wrong foundation. Immediately after receiving the Holy Ghost on the Day of Pentecost Peter presented details of what the foundation consisted of; believers were told what they must do, they believed and obeyed him, and were added to the body of whom Jesus is the head.
What about the parable of the person rejected from attending the marriage supper of the Lamb? What was missing? He had no garment. (Matt. 22:11-14) When is the garment applied? The OT reveals this. Important to note upon reading the following is NT believers are considered a royal priesthood. (1 Peter 2:9)
"And thou shalt anoint the laver and his foot, and sanctify it.
And thou shalt bring Aaron and his sons unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, and wash them with water.
And thou shalt put upon Aaron the holy garments, and anoint him, and sanctify him; that he may minister unto me in the priest's office.
And thou shalt bring his sons, and clothe them with coats:" Ex 40:11-14
"Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.
And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained." (John 20:21-23)
There are man-made preachers and Jesus disciples. Jesus disciples have received the Holy Ghost and are sent. (Luke 24:46-49) Whereas man-made preachers proceed into ministry prior to being equipped for the task; and sadly some may never be.
Albeit sincere, many teach baptism from the standpoint of man-made tradition. One begun years after the apostolic era by the forerunners of a church that consistently goes against God's word. And even considers Protestant church members as daughters of their self-proclaimed mother church; since they still conform to the water baptize practice they distorted. (Roman Catholic Church) Jesus cautioned about accepting tradition that makes the word of God of none effect. (Matt. 15:6, Mark 7:13)
I relied upon the teachings of a "man of God" prior to receiving revelation in God's word concerning baptism.
As a young believer seeking God, I was instructed to be baptized in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost as a public display of my belief in Jesus and His sacrifice. Some years later I was surprised to realize that what I had been taught did not line up with the word.
I believe it was the Holy Ghost that led me on a journey pointing out the truth as revealed in scripture. I became aware of just how the apostles administered baptisms. And that they baptized everyone in Jesus' name because it was He who was crucified for the sins of everyone. And that it is through obedience to baptism in His name that one's personal sin is washed away. (Acts 22:16, 2:38...) Also, the reality that Paul pointed out; that those who are baptized have been connected with Jesus; being buried with Him into His death. (Rom. 6:3-6)
I was very surprised that there was no evidence that anyone in the NT was ever baptized an other way then in the name of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. And that was a powerful witness of the truth in and of itself.
Consider also the believers of Jesus, to whom He will profess, I never knew you. Wow. What a shock. Clearly they had been misled by some erroneous teaching; what was missing? They believed in Jesus there is no question of that, Yet they still heard those dreaded words. It brings to mind the possibility that they had not been buried with Him through baptism. It is a convincing argument considering after Jesus made that profound statement, (Matthew 7:23) He goes on to point out the error of the foolish man that built on a wrong foundation. Immediately after receiving the Holy Ghost on the Day of Pentecost Peter presented details of what the foundation consisted of; believers were told what they must do, they believed and obeyed him, and were added to the body of whom Jesus is the head.
What about the parable of the person rejected from attending the marriage supper of the Lamb? What was missing? He had no garment. (Matt. 22:11-14) When is the garment applied? The OT reveals this. Important to note upon reading the following is NT believers are considered a royal priesthood. (1 Peter 2:9)
"And thou shalt anoint the laver and his foot, and sanctify it.
And thou shalt bring Aaron and his sons unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, and wash them with water.
And thou shalt put upon Aaron the holy garments, and anoint him, and sanctify him; that he may minister unto me in the priest's office.
And thou shalt bring his sons, and clothe them with coats:" Ex 40:11-14
The scripture you reference in no way contradicts the truth, it actually confirms the truth concerning the commands associated with the NT rebirth including the need to be baptized in water in the name of Jesus.
What is the word of truth, the gospel of salvation that is heard, believed, and acted upon that promises the Gift of the Holy Ghost? (Acts 2:38)
If your understanding of 1 John 5:1 is correct then the need to repent, and also be filled with the Holy Spirit are not required. Scripture contradicts this. Consider Matthew 7:23. That group believed that Jesus is the Christ yet Jesus said, I never knew you. What was missing? Immediately after His statement Jesus addresses concepts relative to the laying of different foundations. The book of Hebrews reveals foundational concepts that relate to eternal judgment:
"Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment." Heb 6:1-2
Jesus is the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey Him. (Heb. 5:9)
What is the word of truth, the gospel of salvation that is heard, believed, and acted upon that promises the Gift of the Holy Ghost? (Acts 2:38)
If your understanding of 1 John 5:1 is correct then the need to repent, and also be filled with the Holy Spirit are not required. Scripture contradicts this. Consider Matthew 7:23. That group believed that Jesus is the Christ yet Jesus said, I never knew you. What was missing? Immediately after His statement Jesus addresses concepts relative to the laying of different foundations. The book of Hebrews reveals foundational concepts that relate to eternal judgment:
"Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment." Heb 6:1-2
Jesus is the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey Him. (Heb. 5:9)
There is no confusion upon acceptance of the evidence provided through the entirety of scriptures relative to water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ.
My prayer is that people will search the scriptures for themselves and not just rely upon what is being taught. I for one am glad to have been prompted to what was actually expressed in the word.
"These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
Therefore many of them believed; also of honourable women which were Greeks, and of men, not a few.
But when the Jews of Thessalonica had knowledge that the word of God was preached of Paul at Berea, they came thither also, and stirred up the people." Acts 17:11-13
My prayer is that people will search the scriptures for themselves and not just rely upon what is being taught. I for one am glad to have been prompted to what was actually expressed in the word.
"These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
Therefore many of them believed; also of honourable women which were Greeks, and of men, not a few.
But when the Jews of Thessalonica had knowledge that the word of God was preached of Paul at Berea, they came thither also, and stirred up the people." Acts 17:11-13