Calvin did not invent the doctrines of grace
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... now you're asking me to do something you're unwilling to do ...
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This is getting ludicrous. How do you expect me to find what I don't know I'm looking for?
You're trying to do the ole soft shoe to duck out of answering.
Great verse.
Satan on earth speaking of all on the earth that was his to give Jesus.
" grace through faith"? I don't understand, are you saying that grace must first be received?
Like I said, if you believe that Jesus Christ died for sinners that will eventually die in their sins in unbelief, then you deny the saving efficacy of His Death, and the jesus you believe in is a idol of your imagination.
Its all about Christ and His Crucified, 1 Cor 2:7,14 is about the Cross of Christ and its not spiritually understood by the natural man, because the natural man is without the Spirit of God.
No I dont believe that Christ died for all of the descendants of adam, for that is a false christ. And if you believe that Christ died for any descendant of adam, and that one is never saved and comes to faith in Him, then you deny the saving efficacy of the death of Christ which puts you in unbelief.
Lol, funny. May God be pleased to have mercy on you friend, so you believe in the real Jesus Christ.
It doesnt matter what satan is, It remains True Ps 103:19
19 The Lord hath prepared his throne in the heavens; and his kingdom ruleth over all.
1 Pet 3:22
22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.
If you believe that Christ died for people who are never saved, which we know that
shall be the case, then you deny the saving efficacy of His death, thats a false christ.
since I already answered there is no "ole soft shoe to duck out of answering" by me.the "ole soft shoe" is performed by the one who wants something, but won't do for himself and then demands that I provide something I've already provided ... you do the same thing with God.
God tells you when you turn your heart to the Lord Jesus Christ the veil upon your heart will be removed (2 Cor 3:15-16) ... and you respond by saying on the one hand that "An unborn-again reader CANNOT turn themselves to Christ" and on the other hand you claim "A person who has been born-again cannot have a veil upon their heart".
Do you not see the contradiction in your statements?
If, according to you, "An unborn-again reader CANNOT turn themselves to Christ" ... then God gave the instruction to the born again believer.
If, according to you, "A person who has been born-again cannot have a veil upon their heart" ... you deny Scripture which clearly states that when the reader turns his or her heart to the Lord, the veil is removed.
2 Corinthians 3:15-16 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart. Nevertheless when it [the heart of the reader - vs 15] shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
... and now you'll probably argue with me about your contradictory statements!!!
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1 Cor 2:1-2 relate to Christ and Him crucified:
1 Corinthians 2:
1 And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God.
2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.
Paul went into the regular church congregation to expound upon Jesus Christ and Him crucified (the gospel) - vs 2.
1 Cor 2:7, 14 relates to the mystery, the hidden wisdom which was discussed among them that are perfect:
1 Corinthians 2:
6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect [Greek teleios = mature, of full age]: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:
7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
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14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
I understand why you have to conflate the gospel with the mystery, the hidden wisdom ... but that does not change the mystery, the hidden wisdom into the gospel.
You are not to align Scripture to your dogma. You are to align your dogma to Scripture and where you are in error, you are to let go of the error.
1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
hold fast that which is good ... everything else ... let it go. You have got to let go of your error ...
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nope ...
John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
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no one posting in this thread denies "the saving efficacy of His death". There are some posting in this thread who do not believe what is written in Romans 1 concerning those who suppress/restrain the truth in unrighteousness:
Romans 1:
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold [Greek katechō] the truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse
vs 18 - the words "who hold" are translated from the Greek word katechō which means to suppress, restrain. Those who restrain the truth do so of their own accord.
vs 19 - God reveals that which may be known of God and they suppress the truth in unrighteousness.
vs 20 - God's eternal power and Godhead is clearly seen in His creation. The reason they are without excuse is because they suppress/restrain the truth in unrighteousness.
READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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1 Cor 2:1ff is all bout the Cross, and we are informed the natural man cant understand it spiritually, because it must be Spiritually appraised.
Barnes writes of 1 Cor 2:6
If you believe in a christ that died for all humanity, you believe in a false christ like Jesus warned of Matt 24:23-24
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
If you believe that Jesus Christ died for any sinner that dies and goes to hell, lost , you deny His saving efficacy by His Cross.