The Truths of TULIP which includes limited atonement are Gospel Truths, you reject and scoff them, you reject and scoff the Gospel of Gods Grace.
Doctrine of Unconditional Election
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You are behaving in the same way as every other factional group behaves.
I have already told you that believing in a limited atonement has no power to save. The scripture does not even mention a limited atonement.
Romans 10:9
That if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
See, no mention of a limited atonement.
You need the evidence to support your absurd claim.
You are in a faction and there is no question of that.
If you reject limited, particular and effectual atonement made by Christ, you reject a vital Gospel Truth, I dont care how you buck against it.
I began this thread with evidence from scripture, but that doesnt prevent your unbelief and rejection of Truth. You need God to have mercy on you unto the acknowledging of the Truth.
True; we, the gentiles, are the wild olive branches grafted into the cultivated root and trunk of Israel.
The Elect, those Chosen in Christ before the foundation Eph 1:4 they are His Spiritual Seed, a seed given Him by His Father. Isa 53:10
Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.
Ps 22:30
A seed shall serve him; it shall be accounted to the Lord for a generation.
1 Pet 2:9
9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light; 6
Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.
Ps 22:30
A seed shall serve him; it shall be accounted to the Lord for a generation.
1 Pet 2:9
9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light; 6
Notice how that God first Loved us and then chose us, thats who He gives to believe the truth, He sets them apart by the sanctifying work of the Spirit. 2 Thess 2:13
Notice its the same pattern as it pertained to His Chosen People Israel, He first said He loved them and chose them and set them apart Deut 7:6-7
6 For thou art an holy people unto the Lord thy God: the Lord thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.
7 The Lord did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:
Gods choice of a people is unconditional.
Notice its the same pattern as it pertained to His Chosen People Israel, He first said He loved them and chose them and set them apart Deut 7:6-7
6 For thou art an holy people unto the Lord thy God: the Lord thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.
7 The Lord did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:
Gods choice of a people is unconditional.
Election refers to God’s making a choice on whom to save. It is unconditional in that there is no condition or requirements man must meet before Gods chooses to save him. This is true because Gods choice of the person occurred before the foundation of the world Eph 1:4 and when man is born into world he is dead in trespasses and sins Eph 2:1,5. So there are no conditions or requirements he can meet before God chose him to save him from his lost plight ! So election is all of grace Rom 11:5-6
Election is prior to Faith, and will result in Faith Acts 13:48
48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.
God did the ordaining, and when does God do the ordaining ? From the beginning Acts 15:18
18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world or from of old ! 7
Election is prior to Faith, and will result in Faith Acts 13:48
48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.
God did the ordaining, and when does God do the ordaining ? From the beginning Acts 15:18
18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world or from of old ! 7
There are election of persons, we see this in the scripture:
1 Pet 1:2
2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
These are the blessed ones the Father chose for Himself in Christ before the foundation of the world Eph 1:4-5
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
He foreknew them because He predestinated them
In fact foreknowledge has that meaning, its the word prognōsis:
forethought, prearrangement
foreknowledge, previous determination.
Individuals are in view here from Jesus own words Matt 24:31
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Matt 24:24
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Mark 13:20
20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.
The word chosen here to describe the elect, its the same exact word in Eph 1:4
eklegomai:
to pick out, choose, to pick or choose out for one's self
1 Pet 1:2
2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
These are the blessed ones the Father chose for Himself in Christ before the foundation of the world Eph 1:4-5
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
He foreknew them because He predestinated them
In fact foreknowledge has that meaning, its the word prognōsis:
forethought, prearrangement
foreknowledge, previous determination.
Individuals are in view here from Jesus own words Matt 24:31
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Matt 24:24
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Mark 13:20
20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.
The word chosen here to describe the elect, its the same exact word in Eph 1:4
eklegomai:
to pick out, choose, to pick or choose out for one's self
- choosing one out of many, i.e. Jesus choosing his disciples
- choosing one for an office
- of God choosing whom he judged fit to receive his favours and separated from the rest of mankind to be peculiarly his own and to be attended continually by his gracious oversight 7
Interesting what Paul states in the following verse.
Galatians 4:9
But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how is it that you turn back again to the weak and worthless elementary principles, to which you want to be enslaved all over again?
How did they come to being known by God, when God elected them from eternity?
The truth is Jesus Christ. The truth is not an interpretation of the scripture nor a theology.
Explain the following verse, given it is a conditional statement Paul is making.
Romans 11:23
And they also, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in; for God is able to graft them in again.
It baffles me that you repeat, over and over again, the idea of eternal election. When no Calvinist on this planet knows that they are one of the elect. Seriously, how can you know?
How did Paul tell the thessalonians to know their election of God 1 Thess 1:2-6
2 We give thanks to God always for you all, making mention of you in our prayers;
3 Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labour of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father;
4 Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God.
5 For our gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Ghost, and in much assurance; as ye know what manner of men we were among you for your sake.
6 And ye became followers of us, and of the Lord, having received the word in much affliction, with joy of the Holy Ghost.
1 Pet 2:4-10 shows us that Both Christ and believers are the Chosen of God
4 To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious,
5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.
7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,
8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.
9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;
10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.
Verse 4 is speaking of Christ being Chosen of God and Vs 9 is speaking of believers who were chosen in Him, they were His seed, or generation
Now notice in Vs 9 they are called a chosen generation. That word generation means:
kindred
They are Christs offspring, seed or generation, Chosen in Him Eph 1:4
Yes Jesus had a offspring, seed, generation in Him Isa 53:10
10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.
This referring to Christ having a seed, its the hebrew word zeraʿ:
And this is His generation Ps 22:30
A seed shall serve him; it shall be accounted to the Lord for a generation
Now this chosen seed or generation is what Peter refers to in 1 Pet 2:9, and they were Chosen in Christ who is Gods Chosen 1 Pet 2:4 God chose them together before the foundation of the world Eph 1:4
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: 9
4 To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious,
5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.
7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,
8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.
9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;
10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.
Verse 4 is speaking of Christ being Chosen of God and Vs 9 is speaking of believers who were chosen in Him, they were His seed, or generation
Now notice in Vs 9 they are called a chosen generation. That word generation means:
kindred
- offspring
- family
They are Christs offspring, seed or generation, Chosen in Him Eph 1:4
Yes Jesus had a offspring, seed, generation in Him Isa 53:10
10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.
This referring to Christ having a seed, its the hebrew word zeraʿ:
- offspring, descendants, posterity, children
And this is His generation Ps 22:30
A seed shall serve him; it shall be accounted to the Lord for a generation
Now this chosen seed or generation is what Peter refers to in 1 Pet 2:9, and they were Chosen in Christ who is Gods Chosen 1 Pet 2:4 God chose them together before the foundation of the world Eph 1:4
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: 9
How did the Thessalonians know they had been chosen.
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5 For our gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Ghost, and in much assurance; as ye know what manner of men we were among you for your sake.
So the question follows.
Did you receive the Holy Spirit (not ghost), with power and full assurance. Because that's how they knew.
Power and assurance!
Is the power of God active in your Christian life and in your church?
