yet in post #235, I explained how we believe differently.
continuing on ....
Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
Salvation is not a reward that we receive based on works. 1 Corinthians 3:11 - For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 Now if anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, 13 each one's work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one's work, of what sort it is. 14 If anyone's work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward. 15 If anyone's work is burned, he will suffer loss; (of reward) but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.
These bible verses they do not contradict each other. We can not boast in anything we do and our works will not earn us salvation. Faith in the Blood of Jesus is what saves us. Do you understand why i say faith and works are so closely connected and that our works reflect our faith. Like Abraham when he went to sacrificed his beloved son... They were works that reflected his faith.
If i promote the keeping of the law and the commandments it doesn't mean i'm promoting salvation by works.
It means i'm promoting the righteousness of God and therefore helping people to understand the sin that may be in there lives..
I doing the same as Jesus and Paul and many others before me which said "keep the commandments".
Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Rom 7:8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
Rom 7:9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
Rom 7:10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
Rom 7:11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Rom 7:13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Keeping (guarding, observing, watching over) His commandments is the demonstrative evidence of our love for the Lord, but is not the basis or means by which we obtain salvation.
I agree. So let us demonstrate our love for Jesus by obedience.
Sure we should obey our Lord after we have been saved through faith, yet there is a difference between doing His will IN ORDER TO BECOME SAVED: John 6:40 - For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.
AND doing God's will AFTER WE HAVE BEEN SAVED: 1 Thessalonians 5:14 - Now we exhort you, brethren, warn those who are unruly, comfort the fainthearted, uphold the weak, be patient with all. 15 See that no one renders evil for evil to anyone, but always pursue what is good both for yourselves and for all. 16 Rejoice always, 17 pray without ceasing, 18 in everything give thanks; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you.
The only obedience that is accepted is by faith. Faith in Jesus. We can't truely obey without Christ in us and if we try to obey without Jesus we will only fail. Heb 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
i've alway said we obey because we are save not to be saved.
Obedience that believers produce "after they have been saved through faith" is the fruit of salvation or the means of salvation? Which do you proclaim?
i say it is the fruit of salvation because the means is found in Jesus and what He did.
Those who teach salvation by faith and works are typically fond of these verses. I'm sure that "turn from the holy commandments" in verse 21 really jumped out at you, especially if you believe that commandment keeping is the basis or means by which we obtain and/or maintain our salvation.
I'm fond of all bible verses including the ones above. The keeping of the commandments are not the means to obtain or maintain salvation but are a result of salvation.
i delight to keep the commandments because of what Jesus did for me.
So to conclude
I'm not sure why I'm speaking out of both sides and why i'm so wrong for promoting obedience to the commandments when it is a result of our understanding of salvation and our love for Jesus.
