Calvin did not invent the doctrines of grace
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Hebrews 11:6
Yes, faith comes by hearing the word of God. Faith does not come from being a part of some elect group.
Rationally, one doesn't preclude the other. It was God who sent Jonah. Since faith only comes by hearing God's word, sending a messenger would be necessary.
It does show, however, that heaven will be populated by inhabitants from every nation, tribe, kindred, and tongue.
I'm not a Calvinist, but just using reason shows your argument falls short in this example.
Do you actually expect someone to go through the book of Jonah with you explaining all of its verses?
And to hear spiritually is a gift of salvation.
[Jhn 8:37, 43 KJV]
37 I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you. ...
43 Why do ye not understand my speech? [even] because ye cannot hear my word.
Romans 10:13 “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” 14 How then can they call
on the One in whom they have not believed? And how can they believe in the One of whom they have
not heard? And how can they hear without someone to preach? 15 And how can they preach unless
they are sent? As it is written: “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!” .
So "nice feet" is a compliment for preachers? I wonder why we don't here it more often.Romans 10:13 “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” 14 How then can they call
on the One in whom they have not believed? And how can they believe in the One of whom they have
not heard? And how can they hear without someone to preach? 15 And how can they preach unless
they are sent? As it is written: “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!” .
rogerg
I like how that is stated. Eternal life is definitely the Gift of God Rom 6:23
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
And Christ gives it to as many as the Father has given Him Jn 17:2-3
2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
So knowing God and Jesus Christ is life eternal, this knowledge I believe is Faith or akin to it, John uses it with pisteuō here Jn 6:69
And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.
So Christ gives as a Gift Eternal Life and the Knowledge of it, the persuasion of it.
I like how that is stated. Eternal life is definitely the Gift of God Rom 6:23
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
And Christ gives it to as many as the Father has given Him Jn 17:2-3
2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
So knowing God and Jesus Christ is life eternal, this knowledge I believe is Faith or akin to it, John uses it with pisteuō here Jn 6:69
And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.
So Christ gives as a Gift Eternal Life and the Knowledge of it, the persuasion of it.
Faith is given only to a elect group, the Elect, so its also called the Faith of Gods Elect Titus 1:1
Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;
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I almost missed this because of your huge .... anyway...
Do some research on Calvin. It's all there.
Jonah preached the word of God, "Yet forty days and Nineveh shall be overthrown." The people of Nineveh believed God. There are two options:
1. God lied
2. God changed his mind
God responded based on Nineveh's response to his word. That's how God works.
The elect in verse 1 is Jesus Christ, God's elect. A comparable verse is Galatians 2:16.
16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
For God to change His mind would mean He didn't consider an outcome beforehand. That would mean He isn't omnipotent.
When the Bible speaks of God in human terms it is to aid human understanding. It is always God's plan to forgive all who respond in repentance. When it speaks of God repenting, it merely means He didn't bring judgment.
God can neither lie or He wouldn't be holy or unchanging.
Both choices you gave are impossible for God. It's a false choice because you limit God as though He is a man.
Jesus Christ is included, because He is the Head of His Body the Church, so if the Head is Elect, so is His Body, Members. They are His Seed Isa 53:10
10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.
So though you did it ignorantly, by admitting Christ is Gods Elect, you admit all His Chosen seed in Him are Gods Elect, and Faith is communicated to the seed only