Prophecy warfare

[wattie]

Sorry to hear that.



Unfortunately, I have both a Sherlock spirit and a Mr. Watson spirit. I have no control over when they take over; it's my gift.

I am a Watson

 

[wattie]

No need for condemnation or cancelling (which is ironic as the OP has apparently put me on Ignore). I don't think we're using different definitions, but we may be making points that rely on semantic differences. I disagree that all Scripture is prophecy. Most of the writers of Scripture are considered "prophets", though I would not use that term for Mark, Luke, or the recorder(s) of Kings and Chronicles. The prophecy that is recorded in Scripture was, is, and always will be valid prophecy. However, reading it aloud as part of a sermon is not "prophesying".

Thanks for the reply, so what do you make of the 'more sure word of prophecy'

2Pe_1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:

This is about scripture by context.

2Pe 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
2Pe 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

Peter is calling his current scripture prophecy.. and showing the OT prophecy as well.

If Peter was referring only to the OT.. well.. it keeps going till the day dawn and the day star arise in the receivers of Peter's writing. Which.. gets changed with Peter's letters superceding the OT.

 

[Locoponydirtman]

If ya wanna be a prophet, become very intimately familiar with scripture. So much so that every thing you witness is seen and heard through the filter of scripture. Then the things you say will be filtered through scripture, because your mind will be transformed by the scripture.

 

[Fundaamental]

You are not teaching what the bible teaches. So how you can be a prophet of God, if you are telling against his word?
The bible calls those people false prophets.

there's a whole lot of criticising here again.

It's seems quite a few people would rather become online abusers than discuss the word of God.

Or maybe all the online abusers here have spent far to long arguing about the word of God here.
I suppose you become what you associate with.

Or maybe there's a lot of people with hidden emotional scars here,
It's sad that these people become online argumentative abusers in a place where the most important gifts of the holy spirit are being discussed,
In the UK there no longer called trolls just online abusers.

Is this what I should have to contend with everytime I start a discussion here.

I'm not a machine and I have feelings.




There is roughly 1800 prophecies in the whole Bible, comprising of over 8000 verses,
There is just over 31000 verses in whole 66 books of the bible.

Prophecy accounts for almost 1 third of the whole Bible.

So far I don't see any of this being discussed in a civil manner.

What is the point in me sharing

 

[ResidentAlien]

there's a whole lot of criticising here again.

It's seems quite a few people would rather become online abusers than discuss the word of God.

Or maybe all the online abusers here have spent far to long arguing about the word of God here.
I suppose you become what you associate with.

Or maybe there's a lot of people with hidden emotional scars here,
It's sad that these people become online argumentative abusers in a place where the most important gifts of the holy spirit are being discussed,
In the UK there no longer called trolls just online abusers.

Is this what I should have to contend with everytime I start a discussion here.

I'm not a machine and I have feelings.




There is roughly 1800 prophecies in the whole Bible, comprising of over 8000 verses,
There is just over 31000 verses in whole 66 books of the bible.

Prophecy accounts for almost 1 third of the whole Bible.

So far I don't see any of this being discussed in a civil manner.

What is the point in me sharing

You're trying too hard to be seen as an expert. You don't gain acceptance from people by acting superior to them. I believe if you cut out the "hey look at me" and "see what a great prophet I am" people would respond differently. People have to see something in you and recognize it for themselves; you can't force it on them. Just a little friendly advice.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Is this what I should have to contend with everytime I start a discussion here.

Your choice of a title to this thread was ill-advised. The word "warfare" means contention. So you opened the door to contention.

In any event the entire Bible may be regarded as "prophetic" (forth telling and foretelling) in that all of it is given by divine revelation. Which means that when the prophets and apostles spoke or wrote in that capacity they were giving forth the Word of God. The last book of the Bible closed the door to all future genuine prophecies. John was indeed an apostle-prophet and we have "the Revelation of Jesus Christ" as the final book of the biblical canon.

 

[Fundaamental]

Your choice of a title to this thread was ill-advised. The word "warfare" means contention. So you opened the door to contention.

In any event the entire Bible may be regarded as "prophetic" (forth telling and foretelling) in that all of it is given by divine revelation. Which means that when the prophets and apostles spoke or wrote in that capacity they were giving forth the Word of God. The last book of the Bible closed the door to all future genuine prophecies. John was indeed an apostle-prophet and we have "the Revelation of Jesus Christ" as the final book of the biblical canon.

spiritual warfare is real.

Let me know when you've finished arguing the toss.

 

[Fundaamental]

You're trying too hard to be seen as an expert. You don't gain acceptance from people by acting superior to them. I believe if you cut out the "hey look at me" and "see what a great prophet I am" people would respond differently. People have to see something in you and recognize it for themselves; you can't force it on them. Just a little friendly advice.

let me know when your finished arguing the toss

 

[Fundaamental]

If ya wanna be a prophet, become very intimately familiar with scripture. So much so that every thing you witness is seen and heard through the filter of scripture. Then the things you say will be filtered through scripture, because your mind will be transformed by the scripture.

you don't get to choose to be a prophet l, let me know when your finished arguing the toss

 

[Fundaamental]

almost all of the 1st section applies to me!

Let me know when your finished arguing the toss

 

[Fundaamental]

We need to distinguish the purpose of God for the Old Testament Prophets and the New Testament Prophet and those who prophecy.

God raised up Prophets to Israel to speak God`s word concerning their sin and what Judgments God would bring. The Prophets would also bring messages of comfort telling Israel of God`s future plans for them. Prophets of Israel also spoke judgments of God upon the nations.

Then when Jesus ascended to the Father He was made Head of the Body. He then sent His Holy Spirit to build up and mature the Body. The Lord then gave of Himself in 5 different ministries - Apostle Prophet, Shepherd, teacher and evangelist. These were to equip the believers for the work of the ministry. (Eph. 4: 11 - 13)

So, obviously there is a difference between the OT and NT Prophets and their function. To try and compare OT Prophets with today`s Prophets is not valid.

Note - the office of a Prophet functions to a greater sphere than that when someone just prophecies.

sounds like a good discussion.

 

[Fundaamental]

There is no such thing as a "spirit of Jezebel" in Scripture. In Elijah's time, Jezebel herself was the living, breathing wife of Ahab, king of Israel, who resisted Elijah and his fellow servants of the Lord. In John's time, there was another woman named Jezebel named in the letter to Thyatira.=, who called herself a prophetess but was not.


Obadiah was not a "Church leader" because there was no "church" at the time.


Again, Scripture knows nothing of a "Jezebel spirit", so deal with it the way you deal with anything contrary to the Lord's purposes: by drawing close to God and resisting the devil.


Not in Scripture, you didn't.


Of course there is evidence of people resisting God's work, as there has been in every generation, but calling it the work of a "Jezebel spirit" is a waste of energy. Where the Lord has revealed that it is an unclean spirit, then it is. Otherwise, it probably isn't.

let me know when your finished arguing the toss

 

[ResidentAlien]

let me know when your finished arguing the toss

The "toss?" You're the one crying about your feelings getting hurt by people criticizing you. I'm just trying to offer you some advice that would probably help. If you don't want it that's your problem. I'm not here to win friends; so like me, hate me, I really don't care either way.

 

[wolfwint]

there's a whole lot of criticising here again.

It's seems quite a few people would rather become online abusers than discuss the word of God.

Or maybe all the online abusers here have spent far to long arguing about the word of God here.
I suppose you become what you associate with.

Or maybe there's a lot of people with hidden emotional scars here,
It's sad that these people become online argumentative abusers in a place where the most important gifts of the holy spirit are being discussed,
In the UK there no longer called trolls just online abusers.

Is this what I should have to contend with everytime I start a discussion here.

I'm not a machine and I have feelings.




There is roughly 1800 prophecies in the whole Bible, comprising of over 8000 verses,
There is just over 31000 verses in whole 66 books of the bible.

Prophecy accounts for almost 1 third of the whole Bible.

So far I don't see any of this being discussed in a civil manner.

What is the point in me sharing

Sorry, I dont want hurt your feelings.
I said nothing against prophecy. I said that what you teach fits not with what the bible teaches. F. e. nowhere the bible teaches that every believer can be a prophet and can serve as Jesus did. Nobody then Jesus could took our sins and payed for them.

 

[Fundaamental]

The "toss?" You're the one crying about your feelings getting hurt by people criticizing you. I'm just trying to offer you some advice that would probably help. If you don't want it that's your problem. I'm not here to win friends; so like me, hate me, I really don't care either way.

the toss is arguing over something trivial and minor.
Being stuck in rut from constant debating.
My feelings are stronger than you think.

The prophets who where striped of ther gift in the old t,
had nothing to do with losing there salvation.

The holy spirit was simply not visiting them anymore.
Today the gifts of the holy spirit are permanent for the child of God.
In the old t the gifts of the spirit where only temporary when the holy spirit filled the prophets who where prophesying.

Your associating things to old t to be relevant for people to forfeit there salvation today.

Its not going to happen.

As for not being here to win friends.
You don't win a friend you gain one.

 

[Locoponydirtman]

you don't get to choose to be a prophet l, let me know when your finished arguing the toss

The Toss is a salad restaraunt near SanFransisco. I habe never been there and wouldnt argue about it one way or another.
Also i never addressed you. I addressed the subject for the sake of anyone who reads this site. (Until now that you have addressed me, so i will address you now. I didnt want to, but you left me little option).
You're not a prophet, and have not demonstrated any sufficiency in scripture or theology to merit any trust as a prophet.

 

[Fundaamental]

Sorry, I dont want hurt your feelings.
I said nothing against prophecy. I said that what you teach fits not with what the bible teaches. F. e. nowhere the bible teaches that every believer can be a prophet and can serve as Jesus did. Nobody then Jesus could took our sins and payed for them.

sorry to it wasn't aimed at you directly, it was a generalized quote for the whole thread and the thread I started before this, the one befor that, and the one befor that.
I've got the same critics following me.
It's becoming obvious.
Anyway I can take it.
Your right Jesus payed for our sins, but we do have an adversary drawing us into sin more than ever.

This is relevant to spiritual warfare.
This is why prophets where needed in the old t.
To pull people away from sin.
Today the spirit of prophecy is embedded permanently into the child of God.
The spirit of prophecy is Jesus.
The spirit of prophecy is when a child of God is a true witness for Gods kingdom.

 

[wolfwint]

sorry to it wasn't aimed at you directly, it was a generalized quote for the whole thread and the thread I started before this, the one befor that, and the one befor that.
I've got the same critics following me.
It's becoming obvious.
Anyway I can take it.
Your right Jesus payed for our sins, but we do have an adversary drawing us into sin more than ever.

This is relevant to spiritual warfare.
This is why prophets where needed in the old t.
To pull people away from sin.
Today the spirit of prophecy is embedded permanently into the child of God.
The spirit of prophecy is Jesus.
The spirit of prophecy is when a child of God is a true witness for Gods kingdom.

Prophecy is not a spirit! The Holy Spirit in us makes that we are a true witness.
From where you got this strange view?

 

[Magenta]

The prophets who where striped of ther gift in the old t,
had nothing to do with losing there salvation.

The holy spirit was simply not visiting them anymore.

Isaiah served as a prophet in Jerusalem for about 40 years (approximately 740–701 B.C.), during
the reigns of Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz, Hezekiah, and Manasseh of the Southern Kingdom of Judah.
On the basis of dates given in the Book of Ezekiel, Ezekiel's span of prophecies can be calculated
to have occurred over the course of about 22 years, starting in 593 BCE. Jeremiah was born into
a family of priests and preached to the Southern Kingdom of Judah for approximately 40 years,
seeking to “stem … the tide of idolatry and immorality.” The period of Hosea's ministry extended
to some sixty years. Micah prophesied from approximately 737 to 696 BC. The period of Hosea's
ministry extended to some sixty years. Jonah prophesied from 782 to 753 B.C.

 

[Dino246]

Thanks for the reply, so what do you make of the 'more sure word of prophecy'

2Pe_1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:

This is about scripture by context.

Agreed.

2Pe 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
2Pe 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

Peter is calling his current scripture prophecy.. and showing the OT prophecy as well. [/QUOTE]
I disagree. Peter is saying that the prophecy that was already recorded in ScriptureScripture (both OT and whatever NT books were by that time recognized as Scripture) did not come about by human interpretation of current events. He is talking about the source of genuine prophecy, not calling any particular word "prophecy".