The Covid CANCER Shot!
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I read a lot of rubbish also, and sadly can't remember where I saw it. But I was intrigued because as you say - autism is linked to gut issues, and ivermectin to parasites, which might be associated with the gut.
Anyway, I just found the below article (describing a group of parents who were trialing it on their kids as "conspiracy theorists"), so I daresay there may be some cause for the establishment to be concerned if they feel it is worthy to attack.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/pkayeg/ivermectin-kids-autism
Anyway, I just found the below article (describing a group of parents who were trialing it on their kids as "conspiracy theorists"), so I daresay there may be some cause for the establishment to be concerned if they feel it is worthy to attack.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/pkayeg/ivermectin-kids-autism
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Tractor supply. I saw packs of multiples from other online sources at reasonable prices too.
If you are considering it and like many others, want to get medical advice and a script, there's an organization that is supported by donations. I haven't had any experience with it. I've only heard interviews with a couple of member physicians. Here's the link
My Free Doctor dot com
If you are considering it and like many others, want to get medical advice and a script, there's an organization that is supported by donations. I haven't had any experience with it. I've only heard interviews with a couple of member physicians. Here's the link
My Free Doctor dot com
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P.S. Also, please don't try to sue me if you die from it or something! I really don't want to have to get a new avatar! 
P.S. Also, please don't try to sue me if you die from it or something! I really don't want to have to get a new avatar!
BTW, I only took it for the zinc to get over a flu, not for autism..lol
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It would be peachy to know if there is an form of it derived without using human fetal cells https://hek293.com/#:~:text=HEK293 is a cell line,with sheared adenovirus 5 DNA. but then veterinary medicines don't have to use the same guidelines? https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2217454/
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Wow, thank you so much for this iamsoandso!
There were two points in the research that might apply to our conversation.
A . " Ivermectin (IVM), a widely used antiparasitic agent in human and veterinary medicine, was recently shown to augment macroscopic currents through rat P2X4 receptor channels (Khakh, B.S., W.R. Proctor, T.V. Dunwiddie, C. Labarca, and H.A. Lester. 1999. J. Neurosci. 19:7289–7299.). In the present study, the effects of IVM on the human P2X4 (hP2X4) receptor channel stably transfected in HEK293 cells were investigated by recording membrane currents using the patch clamp technique. In whole-cell recordings, IVM (≤10 μM) applied from outside the cell (but not from inside) increased the maximum current activated by ATP, and slowed the rate of current deactivation. These two phenomena likely result from the binding of IVM to separate sites. "
B. "In humans, IVM is typically given as an oral dose of 150 mg/kg, once a year. This dose, which has minimal adverse effects, results in a peak plasma concentration of IVM of ∼50 ng/ml. In a recent study, higher concentrations of IVM were tested, resulting in a threefold greater peak plasma concentration, also with no significant adverse experiences (Guzzo et al., 2002)."
As to the first point, this reminds me of a question that a lady here asked me. When I took some time to look for source material concerning HEK293, I had trouble finding the same information that used to be relevant and top of the Google affiliate searches. The question was whether HEK293 or byproducts were used as ingredients, or if it was only used as research media? At least that's how I interpreted the question. This brings me to the question at hand. From what I gather from this study is that it appears to use HEK293 as the media for testing the samples of IVM. If I am wrong, please clarify. If I remember correctly, the inventor/ discoverer.of IVM developed a way to ferment a substance in the soil from a a Japanese golf course. If HEK has a role to play in it's production, then I want nothing to do with it. If it was simply a separate study that has nothing to do with an OTC product, then there should be no moral implications IMHO.
Part B is another detail that I noted.
It provides a dosage which is possibly commonly prescribed by physicians. I want to remind other readers who may not get the correct dosage of the following. This was published in pub med. That doesn't mean that it's without error, or that we will interpret the information properly if it is correct. It is highly technical.
The dosage is at a specific concentration. I don't know if there's an industry standard concentration for oral medication across the board for humans and for livestock. Not do I know if the one given is a standard you would find if purchased over the counter. I'm not offering advice other than to say others should do plenty of research and seek advice only from those who have been shown to successfully treat many patients.
Example, I have lost very valuable exotic animals to veterinarians. Some advertised as exotic animal vets who specialized in my specific species. The treatments were what sometimes caused the demise. That said, seeking "medical advice" is like looking for any other service. There are good and bad in those areas too.
Concentrations vary too. If I made lemonade from a can of frozen concentrate, I would not thaw and drink it directly from the container. I would put it in a large container, mix with water and enjoy many glasses/ doses over a period of time. Medicine is likewise. Dosages are dependant upon concentration. Verify the physician as those who actually use the med with success if you decide to go that route.
There were two points in the research that might apply to our conversation.
A . " Ivermectin (IVM), a widely used antiparasitic agent in human and veterinary medicine, was recently shown to augment macroscopic currents through rat P2X4 receptor channels (Khakh, B.S., W.R. Proctor, T.V. Dunwiddie, C. Labarca, and H.A. Lester. 1999. J. Neurosci. 19:7289–7299.). In the present study, the effects of IVM on the human P2X4 (hP2X4) receptor channel stably transfected in HEK293 cells were investigated by recording membrane currents using the patch clamp technique. In whole-cell recordings, IVM (≤10 μM) applied from outside the cell (but not from inside) increased the maximum current activated by ATP, and slowed the rate of current deactivation. These two phenomena likely result from the binding of IVM to separate sites. "
B. "In humans, IVM is typically given as an oral dose of 150 mg/kg, once a year. This dose, which has minimal adverse effects, results in a peak plasma concentration of IVM of ∼50 ng/ml. In a recent study, higher concentrations of IVM were tested, resulting in a threefold greater peak plasma concentration, also with no significant adverse experiences (Guzzo et al., 2002)."
As to the first point, this reminds me of a question that a lady here asked me. When I took some time to look for source material concerning HEK293, I had trouble finding the same information that used to be relevant and top of the Google affiliate searches. The question was whether HEK293 or byproducts were used as ingredients, or if it was only used as research media? At least that's how I interpreted the question. This brings me to the question at hand. From what I gather from this study is that it appears to use HEK293 as the media for testing the samples of IVM. If I am wrong, please clarify. If I remember correctly, the inventor/ discoverer.of IVM developed a way to ferment a substance in the soil from a a Japanese golf course. If HEK has a role to play in it's production, then I want nothing to do with it. If it was simply a separate study that has nothing to do with an OTC product, then there should be no moral implications IMHO.
Part B is another detail that I noted.
It provides a dosage which is possibly commonly prescribed by physicians. I want to remind other readers who may not get the correct dosage of the following. This was published in pub med. That doesn't mean that it's without error, or that we will interpret the information properly if it is correct. It is highly technical.
The dosage is at a specific concentration. I don't know if there's an industry standard concentration for oral medication across the board for humans and for livestock. Not do I know if the one given is a standard you would find if purchased over the counter. I'm not offering advice other than to say others should do plenty of research and seek advice only from those who have been shown to successfully treat many patients.
Example, I have lost very valuable exotic animals to veterinarians. Some advertised as exotic animal vets who specialized in my specific species. The treatments were what sometimes caused the demise. That said, seeking "medical advice" is like looking for any other service. There are good and bad in those areas too.
Concentrations vary too. If I made lemonade from a can of frozen concentrate, I would not thaw and drink it directly from the container. I would put it in a large container, mix with water and enjoy many glasses/ doses over a period of time. Medicine is likewise. Dosages are dependant upon concentration. Verify the physician as those who actually use the med with success if you decide to go that route.
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Then there's no difference? https://www.uclahealth.org/treatment-options/covid-19-info/covid-19-vaccine-addressing-concerns
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I had a chance to read it through.
Please correct me if I'm wrong. Is this what you are referring to?
"We understand this is a sensitive issue, and specifically important to religious communities. We’d like to provide some additional context on this topic. On Jan. 27, the California Catholic Conference noted in an official statement that they support the use of all COVID-19 vaccines, including the Johnson & Johnson vaccine, to prevent the continued spread of COVID-19. Pope Francis also publicly supported COVID-19 vaccination and the Vatican has issued a statement saying it is morally acceptable to receive COVID-19 vaccines that have used cell lines from aborted fetuses in their research and production process."
I think that last sentence needs to be delineated for application to the Ivermectin issue.
I don't know of reason to suspect that use of cultured fetal tissue was used to develop the ivermectin/ IVM. If at a later date the IVM was tested on the HEK293, I would not hold that IVM should share guilt by association. The IVM stands alone, even though I don't agree with the use of fetal tissue for any reason.
Francis goes so far as to approve of HEK293 use in the "production process.".
I hold IVM to the same standard.
Please correct me if I'm wrong. Is this what you are referring to?
"We understand this is a sensitive issue, and specifically important to religious communities. We’d like to provide some additional context on this topic. On Jan. 27, the California Catholic Conference noted in an official statement that they support the use of all COVID-19 vaccines, including the Johnson & Johnson vaccine, to prevent the continued spread of COVID-19. Pope Francis also publicly supported COVID-19 vaccination and the Vatican has issued a statement saying it is morally acceptable to receive COVID-19 vaccines that have used cell lines from aborted fetuses in their research and production process."
I think that last sentence needs to be delineated for application to the Ivermectin issue.
I don't know of reason to suspect that use of cultured fetal tissue was used to develop the ivermectin/ IVM. If at a later date the IVM was tested on the HEK293, I would not hold that IVM should share guilt by association. The IVM stands alone, even though I don't agree with the use of fetal tissue for any reason.
Francis goes so far as to approve of HEK293 use in the "production process.".
I hold IVM to the same standard.
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