Yet another shooting

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Gideon300

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Gaston County Police Chief Stephen Zill said on Wednesday that "this sort of violence will not stand".

Except is does. 160 mass shootings plus ytd.
 

HealthAndHappiness

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Gaston County Shooter
That's a horrible thing that happened. You'd never expect that. I heard the little girl's interview. Glad she's going to be OK. Not sure why the wife hasn't seen her husband yet while he's in the hospital.
It just seems strange, like she might not be allowed. I hope that monster is never able to hurt anyone else. The Bible has a law against that.
 

Gideon300

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That's a horrible thing that happened. You'd never expect that. I heard the little girl's interview. Glad she's going to be OK. Not sure why the wife hasn't seen her husband yet while he's in the hospital.
It just seems strange, like she might not be allowed. I hope that monster is never able to hurt anyone else. The Bible has a law against that.
How about making laws that stop, or at limit, the opportunity for the crime before it happens, instead of punishment after the event?
 
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Locoponydirtman

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Humans have been killing eachother from when Cain killed Able. Its a tradgic thing but humanity is fallen into sin. There is no human law able to stop this. Goveco is part of the problem not the answer. Community and looking out for eachother is. God said love thy neighbor. Man says make laws.
 

Eli1

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It’s horrible what’s happening.
People are turning into projectiles and killing other people.
 

HealthAndHappiness

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How about making laws that stop, or at limit, the opportunity for the crime before it happens, instead of punishment after the event?
In a perfect world that might be possible.
There hasn't been a perfect world since Eden was infiltrated by the Devil. There was already a murder committed in the second generation. God gave a solid law right after the flood that man's blood should be shed for shedding another man's blood. We call that the death penalty.

The only thing that I can see that would have possibly changed the outcome would be if the parents were armed with effective weapons and able to stop the murderer. I have no criticism for the parents at all, only empathy. Nobody expects something like that to happen. However, good guys with weapons to equalize the odds is a good thing IMHO. What do you suggest?
 

ZNP

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How about making laws that stop, or at limit, the opportunity for the crime before it happens, instead of punishment after the event?
There is a very simple law that could be passed that would be constitutional and would also have a big impact on reducing the number of guns in the hands of felons and gang members and people who are mentally unstable. It would also alert police when someone who has a gun legally is behaving in an alarming way (buying up many guns, buying thousands of rounds of ammo, buying body armor, etc). All you need to do is require liability insurance for anyone who owns a gun. For most gun owners the liability would be very low. Then whenever you buy a gun, or ammo, or body armor or anything else you must show proof of insurance and the insurance company will be alerted. Also to get a break on the insurance you give them access to medical records including mental health.

Here is how that would reduce guns in the hands of felons.

1. Felons are not allowed to buy guns so they use mules who have no criminal record who then claim the guns were "stolen" from him. However, if he had to have insurance to buy the guns the insurance company is going to balk when he wants to buy 25 AK's. Also, when the gun is insured it will have a digital record identifying the bullet and shell casing fired from that gun. As a result gun dealers who have an inordinate number of guns showing up in gang murders can be shut down. It is estimated that 1% of gun dealers are the ones supplying the guns to gangs, so shutting them down cuts off their pipeline to guns.

2. If you catch a gang member with a gun you have a second violation (no insurance) that you can use to hold the criminal for 24 hours or even a few days. This gives you plenty of time to run the digital record on that gun against any and all crimes nationwide. This means that criminals will have to throw away a gun after each crime and if it is very hard to get another one, they will be very reluctant to do that, as a result you can start catching them with the gun and solving many "cold cases".

3. Insurance companies have the best mathematicians who use sophisticated algorithms, AI and super computers. As a result as soon as something that triggers a red flag occurs the insurance company would be alerted and would have a financial incentive to intervene. For example, a man gets divorced, or his children are taken from him, or he just bought 1,000 rounds of ammo, or he just got fired, or he has begun meeting with a therapist, etc.

The constitution says "well regulated militia" so requiring liability insurance could be viewed as "well regulated".
 

Moses_Young

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The constitution says "well regulated militia" so requiring liability insurance could be viewed as "well regulated".
Not sure I fully agree with the constitutionality of the plan, but I don't fully disagree, either - I'm sure something like it could work. The last bit made me laugh.
 

Moses_Young

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In a perfect world that might be possible.
There hasn't been a perfect world since Eden was infiltrated by the Devil. There was already a murder committed in the second generation. God gave a solid law right after the flood that man's blood should be shed for shedding another man's blood. We call that the death penalty.

The only thing that I can see that would have possibly changed the outcome would be if the parents were armed with effective weapons and able to stop the murderer. I have no criticism for the parents at all, only empathy. Nobody expects something like that to happen. However, good guys with weapons to equalize the odds is a good thing IMHO. What do you suggest?
Exactly. We don't execute enough of those deserving the death penalty. They get recycled to train more criminals and repeat the crime. Start executing these criminals, and their accomplices up the chain, and their ilk will quickly dwindle. Also stop importing them, and teaching their religion in state funded schools.

But that's too hard (apparently), so the Communist sympathisers instead cry for banning guns, which will ultimately make the problem even worse.
 

ZNP

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Not sure I fully agree with the constitutionality of the plan, but I don't fully disagree, either - I'm sure something like it could work. The last bit made me laugh.
Many people do not understand that the reason so many murders and shootings in Chicago go unresolved is because the police are not allowed to have a digital database identifying guns, they have to keep the records on paper and then search the paper records to identify bullets and shell casings. So what could be done in hours takes months or never gets done at all. The reason for this is a digital database of every gun held by the US government is seen as the first step towards confiscation. However, there is no law against private insurance companies having these records and then whenever a crime is committed the police would send a subpoena to all the insurance companies. In this way we would very quickly identify mules and gun dealers that are conduits for gangs and could shut that pipeline down.
 

Moses_Young

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Many people do not understand that the reason so many murders and shootings in Chicago go unresolved is because the police are not allowed to have a digital database identifying guns, they have to keep the records on paper and then search the paper records to identify bullets and shell casings. So what could be done in hours takes months or never gets done at all. The reason for this is a digital database of every gun held by the US government is seen as the first step towards confiscation. However, there is no law against private insurance companies having these records and then whenever a crime is committed the police would send a subpoena to all the insurance companies. In this way we would very quickly identify mules and gun dealers that are conduits for gangs and could shut that pipeline down.
No, I hear you. I just also see it as a way the government would try to ban guns (e.g. make the insurance so expensive no one could afford it, as they do with health insurance). But Chicago is also rotten from decades of corruption, right? Start executing the murderers and their accomplices/sponsors in government, and I'm sure the crime rate would drop. But I think your insurance idea has merit, if used with care to prevent government overreach.
 

ZNP

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No, I hear you. I just also see it as a way the government would try to ban guns (e.g. make the insurance so expensive no one could afford it, as they do with health insurance). But Chicago is also rotten from decades of corruption, right? Start executing the murderers and their accomplices/sponsors in government, and I'm sure the crime rate would drop. But I think your insurance idea has merit, if used with care to prevent government overreach.
Simply make it limited liability, also provide motivation to insurance companies to notify the authorities by giving them cuts in liability if they do that. The real liability would be for the gun dealer that sells the gun without checking for insurance. They would never do that because they have to also have insurance on the gun and would need to transfer the insurance. But if you sold bullets or anything else without checking the insurance then they would be liable for that.
 

Grace911

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Humans have been killing eachother from when Cain killed Able. Its a tradgic thing but humanity is fallen into sin. There is no human law able to stop this. Goveco is part of the problem not the answer. Community and looking out for eachother is. God said love thy neighbor. Man says make laws.
My opinion as well. Every time there is a "terrorist" attack, with two or more killed, people say to gov "Stop the insanity" so after 9/11 we now have airport gestapo checking shoes and underwear and behind closed doors body search. I was taking the bus to travel from one city to another and had my fingernail clippers confiscated as contraband. Another time I was going into a court house and had to throw away a pair of scissors that I carried with me everywhere. I was told to take them back and put in my car. I was in downtown San Antonio and knew I was parked far away from the courthouse, so I said "throw them away, they are replaceable". Then 2020 comes and a new test on the sheeple takes place, except I should state it is the LORD/YHWH who is sending and allowing all these calamities. Why is the LORD/YHWH doing this? Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

1Peter 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
 

JTB

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This carnage will only stop in two ways

1. We learn to love our neighbors more than we love our guns ( I would venture to say that most of these shooters feel unloved)

2. Jesus returns
 

Bob-Carabbio

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How about making laws that stop, or at limit, the opportunity for the crime before it happens, instead of punishment after the event?
And your proposal for such a law(s) would be????

A good first step would be to ELIMINATE "Gun Free Zones", since murderers prefer their victims to be defenseless.
 
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Locoponydirtman

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And your proposal for such a law(s) would be????

A good first step would be to ELIMINATE "Gun Free Zones", since murderers prefer their victims to be defenseless.
How about not letting unrehabilitated violent fellons loose on society. Then we have to do a whole prison reform and thats too much work. Its best to just torment the citizens.