Ukraine the bad guy?

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Susanna

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This thread is so full of smoke screens that it can be hard to keep track of what’s happening in Ukraine. For your information, Kremlin minions, your masters over in Russia have viciously attacked a sovereign country. No matter what you say will change that fact.
 

cv5

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So you think CNN paid this guy for his testimony even though it is corroborated by MANY MULTITUDES of people to where even the UN is investigating?

Ummmm.....that's a real stretch of the imagination you have there.
BTW.....do not make the mistake of formulating assumptions about my sentiments or loyalties to any particular combatants in this conflict.

As I do not have any. I want an immediate cease fire and unconditional peace talks. So that ALL lives are saved, regardless of which "side" they are on. Right now, today. Give peace a chance you know what I mean? And lets stop calling Russians "orcs". They are mere men just like you and me.
 

Susanna

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BTW.....do not make the mistake of formulating assumptions about my sentiments or loyalties to any particular combatants in this conflict.

As I do not have any. I want an immediate cease fire and unconditional peace talks. So that ALL lives are saved, regardless of which "side" they are on. Right now, today. Give peace a chance you know what I mean? And lets stop calling Russians "orcs". They are mere men just like you and me.
You sound like Chamberlain. Peace in our time. You heard of him?
 

JohnDB

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JohnDB

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BTW.....do not make the mistake of formulating assumptions about my sentiments or loyalties to any particular combatants in this conflict.

As I do not have any. I want an immediate cease fire and unconditional peace talks. So that ALL lives are saved, regardless of which "side" they are on. Right now, today. Give peace a chance you know what I mean? And lets stop calling Russians "orcs". They are mere men just like you and me.
If you speak like a Communist Russian
Act like a Russian
Walk like a Russian
But claim to be an American....you are a Russian.
 

SomeDisciple

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If you speak like a Communist Russian
Act like a Russian
Walk like a Russian
But claim to be an American....you are a Russian.
It's too bad CV5 claims to be Canadian... totally disqualified from being a Russian, because of you :cry:.
 

cv5

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If you speak like a Communist Russian
Act like a Russian
Walk like a Russian
But claim to be an American....you are a Russian.
But wait...! How can I POSSIBLY be a warmongering bloodthirsty "Russian orc" if all that I am pleading for is an immediate cease fire and unconditional good faith peace negotiations?
 

ZNP

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So you think CNN paid this guy for his testimony even though it is corroborated by MANY MULTITUDES of people to where even the UN is investigating?

Ummmm.....that's a real stretch of the imagination you have there.
What are you saying? That CNN is not controlled News, part of the propaganda machine?
 

ZNP

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When MOST of the world has smaller armies than Russia and is in constant fear of being invaded by another country....what Russia has done doesn't go unnoticed. You pay attention to predators....not so much the acts of violence that the prey commits.
No one needs to worry about being invaded by the US, other than Iran, and Afghanistan, oh and Iraq and Syria, and of course, Vietnam, and Nicaragua, and don't forget Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia and Libya, oh and El Salvador, Cuba, and I suppose you could include China in this as well, it has only been 90 years, but then that would also include Honduras, Panama, Philippines, Lebanon, Haiti, Congo, Laos, Ecuador, Brazil, Indonesia, Dominican Republic, Ghana, Cambodia, Oman, Angola, Grenada, Bolivia, Liberia, Somalia, Yugoslavia, Bosnia, Croatia, Zaire, Sudan, and Macedonia. Everyone else can sleep tight.
 

JohnDB

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Don't believe me?
Listen to Russian soldiers themselves....

 

JohnDB

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Other things Russian leadership says:

 

SomeDisciple

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Non-officers not knowing why they are where they are or what they are doing... that's... hardly a surprise. That isn't something that is unique to Russia at all. The less you know- the less you can tell the enemy when you are captured... That's how it is. And they less they tell you the more difficult it is to have grounds to disobey orders.

Now, I'm not saying that's my war philosophy either. It's not. I hate it. And it's stupid, because it undermines morale and trust in the Chain of Command... But that's the way it is a lot of times.
 

JohnDB

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