Doctrine of Unconditional Election

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Thats a very foolish statement, for thats exactly what the Gospel of Gods Grace is all about, How God saves His People in and through the Lord Jesus Christ.
Don't play games.

How a person initially considers Jesus Christ belongs to the Holy Spirit and we do not understand that process.

All I have observed during my life is falling attendance at nearly every church.

Must be God electing fewer and fewer people over time?
 

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Everybody whether jew or gentile, are in this world by Divine Purpose either a elect vessel of mercy who will obtain Salvation or a elect vessel of wrath who shall obtain everlastion destruction and wrath.
You point blank, refuse to read the New Testament.

The Jews were grafted out and can be grafted back in, it depends on whether they believe.

The Gentiles are grafted in but can be grafted back out.

This disproves Calvinism, the elect cannot be grafted back out. (Romans 11:17-23)

Read Romans and stop playing the theology game.
 

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That's theology your talking about.

Seriously, no one has any real idea whether we are totally depraved or partially depraved.

The truth of the gospel of grace is Jesus Christ.

Whether you know or understand some aspect of Christianity is not important.

What matters, is if you have been conformed to the image of Jesus Christ.

Your trying to push the theology of TULIP and you should concentrating on Jesus Christ.

Pray without ceasing and throw TULIP in the bin.

1 Corinthians 13:4-8
Love is patient, love is kind, it is not jealous; love does not brag, it is not arrogant. It does not act disgracefully, it does not seek its own benefit; it is not provoked, does not keep an account of a wrong suffered, it does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth; it keeps every confidence, it believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. Love never fails.

God is love.

Do you understand what being conformed to the image of Jesus means?
Tulip Truths are the Gospel of Gods Grace, on How God saved sinners by Grace through Jesus Christ. Its fine if you call it Theology, thats the Study of God ! The Gospel of God Rom 1:1

Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,
 

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Don't play games.

How a person initially considers Jesus Christ belongs to the Holy Spirit and we do not understand that process.

All I have observed during my life is falling attendance at nearly every church.

Must be God electing fewer and fewer people over time?
You have made foolish comments, unlearned !
 

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You point blank, refuse to read the New Testament.

The Jews were grafted out and can be grafted back in, it depends on whether they believe.

The Gentiles are grafted in but can be grafted back out.

This disproves Calvinism, the elect cannot be grafted back out. (Romans 11:17-23)

Read Romans and stop playing the theology game.
Again, one is either in this world as a vessel of wrath or a vessel of mercy. Rom 9:20-23

20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?

21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?


22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
 

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Tulip Truths are the Gospel of Gods Grace, on How God saved sinners by Grace through Jesus Christ. Its fine if you call it Theology, thats the Study of God ! The Gospel of God Rom 1:1

Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,
Tulip is not the gospel.

Read 1 Corinthians 15, that is the gospel.

You honestly believe that 'limited atonement' is the gospel of Jesus Christ?
 
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Its crystal clear that the scriptures teach election, even unconditional election in salvation. Most people will agree that election is taught in scripture, but very few agree that its unconditional, and totally by grace and Gods sovereign good pleasure, not outside of Himself. Even the OT scripture indicates Gods sovereign prerogative in election and having mercy on whomever He will Ex 33:19

And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the Lord before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy. In this discriminatory fashion God exhibits His Glory

Now Paul alludes to this scripture in his treatise on unconditional election in Rom 9:11-16

11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth)

12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.

13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.

15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

We learn that there is what Paul terms "the purpose of God according to election" This is a salvaic purpose,. its answering the seeming dilema as to why so many jews in national israel are being lost Rom 9:1-6

I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost,​
2 That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart.​
3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:​
4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;​
5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.​
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:​
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Its from this background that Paul develops his treatise on the doctirne of unconditional election, or "the purpose of God according to election"

Now let us look at what Rom 9 tells us: By writer of godsonlygospel.com "election is just not fair.

Speaking of Jacob and Esau, the sons of Isaac and Rebecca, Paul the apostle states: "For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, THAT THE PURPOSE OF GOD ACCORDING TO ELECTION MIGHT STAND, not of works but of Him that calleth; It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger. As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated" (Rom. 9:11-13). What a passage to confound the free willer! No wonder the Arminian minister prefers to conveniently shy away from this chapter in Romans and hide these things from his listeners. These verses show clearly that God made choice between Jacob and Esau before they were even born! God made choice between them as to which He would love and which He would hate. This was done, the Scriptures say, so that the purpose of God according to election might stand, an election which obviously could not have been based on any deeds, actual or foreseen, good or bad, that man had done or would do. The saved are those who are elected by grace through faith, not by anything they have done, that none should boast. The good works they do were appointed, or prepared, for them to do and they were not elected because of any good works they were foreseen would do:​
I do differ with the author regarding his statement "The saved are those who are elected by grace through faith, "

I believe the saved are those who are elected by Grace, minus the faith, but Faith being the consequent of election by grace.

However the main point is, the elect are not elected based upon any foreseen actions or deeds , good or bad, that man has done or will do, because the election of grace was made before they were born to do any actions whatsoever, thats the Apostles point.

This treatise by Paul should forever eliminate the false idea that election is based upon anything foreseen in or of the sinner. Its totally unconditional ! Its totally of Sovereign prerogative !
When God tells us we are saved by faith through his grace and not of ourselves and thus we cannot take credit, that's unconditional election.

If that isn't believed , God's words, I don't think we're obligated by our own words to try and convince the naysayers.

When God can't teach them we certainly can't reach them.

Emmanuel Jesus said he has other sheep that are not of this fold.
 

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Tulip is not the gospel.

Read 1 Corinthians 15, that is the gospel.

You honestly believe that 'limited atonement' is the gospel of Jesus Christ?
Yes Tulip Truths are the Gospel, you despise them, you despise the very Gospel of Gods Grace, no way around it !
 

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When God tells us we are saved by faith through his grace and not of ourselves and thus we cannot take credit, that's unconditional election.

If that isn't believed , God's words, I don't think we're obligated by our own words to try and convince the naysayers.

When God can't teach them we certainly can't reach them.

Emmanuel Jesus said he has other sheep that are not of this fold.
Only God the Spirit convinces men of the Truth, Im merely earnestly contending for the Faith that was once delivered unto the Saints, now who believes it, thats entirely out of my control. Jude 1:3

3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

Now unconditional election is a tenet of that Faith/Doctrine
 

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All men includes all kings and everyone in authority...all men, everywhere...it harmonizes...God wants all men to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth...all men...even all kings...and all that are in authority.

I assume that you do believe that the word "sheep" represents God's born again children, do you not?

If so, then how do you interpret, the lost sheep of the household of Israel?
 

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Ezekiel 33:

11 Say to them: ‘As I live’—it is a declaration of Adonai—‘I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from his way and live. Return, return from your evil ways. Why will you die, O house of Israel?’

This scripture has reference to "the lost sheep of the house of Israel", who are lost from a knowledge of the gospel, because of their wickedness, and not lost from their eternal inheritance. Die=separation. Separated from fellowship with God., until they repent.
 
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This scripture has reference to "the lost sheep of the house of Israel", who are lost from a knowledge of the gospel, because of their wickedness, and not lost from their eternal inheritance. Die=separation. Separated from fellowship with God., until they repent.
The reference shows lost people being pleaded by God to return.

God supposedly doesn't plead for people to return to the faith or come to the faith in your make belief doctrine where God chooses His Own and forces them to Believe.

The beauty about Ezekiel 33 is that it proves You and those who share your same doctrine are nothing but LIARS.

which is not shocking since God did say every man is a liar compared to God.

Difference is, you proved it!
 

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We know that God elected individuals to Salvation because they as individuals believe in time, yet they were ordained to eternal life before time Acts 13:48

48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.

Eternal Life was promised before the world began Titus 1:2

2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

Now who was it promised to but to them He ordained to eternal life

Now the actual persons ordained to eternal life were not in actual existence, yet their Covenant Head and Sponser Christ Jesus was, and it was to Him as their Head was the promise made, hence John writes 1 Jn 2:25

25 And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life. 6
 
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The beauty about Ezekiel 33 is this is interchangeable based on Believers.

When God told Ezekiel this, God was only Shepherding the Hebrews. Now God is Shepherding both Jew and Gentile. Today, Ezekiel 33, would not end with House of Israel, but with God so LOVED the ((WORLD)) ...
 

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When considering all of the scriptures, who are the 'all men' under consideration?

John 12:26 are the ones that he will draw unto himself, and they are "those that will serve, and follow him" witch the other scriptures teach that not all of mankind will.
 

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You have made foolish comments, unlearned !
Calvinism is a sect, a faction, a theological opinion within Christianity.

1 Corinthians 11:19
For there also have to be factions among you, so that those who are approved may become evident among you.

Galatians 5:20
Idolatry, witchcraft, hostilities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions...

Aminianism is also a factional party, a theology, within Christianity.

That is why when someone claims to be baptized by Calvin, all hell breaks loose.

John 6:40
For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day.
 

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Yes Tulip Truths are the Gospel, you despise them, you despise the very Gospel of Gods Grace, no way around it !
Where does it say in the scripture, if you believe in limited atonement you are saved?

John 11:25
Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life; the one who believes in Me will live, even if he dies".

I can see clearly that, to believe in Jesus results in eternal life.

Still trying to find where it says, to believe in limited atonement grants eternal life.