Will Jesus "Second coming" present as a woman this time?
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This post makes absolutely zero sense, except for the part of an unbeliever needing Jesus....
Maybe you could re-word it and explain what the "stinging Christians in their own community" might mean?
I mean, I'm reasonably intelligent, and have been around the block more than once, and it makes no sense at all to me....
While you are at it, please expound on my "hatred and ignorance"...... since when did disagreeing with someone become hatred and ignorance? Is this more of the "woke" mentality?
Maybe you could re-word it and explain what the "stinging Christians in their own community" might mean?
I mean, I'm reasonably intelligent, and have been around the block more than once, and it makes no sense at all to me....
While you are at it, please expound on my "hatred and ignorance"...... since when did disagreeing with someone become hatred and ignorance? Is this more of the "woke" mentality?
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God is not a man.
God chose a woman to bring himself into this world. Given the Patriarchal construct of Judaism at that time.
Jesus is not a flesh and blood man in Heaven.
Emmanuel was his actual name, and Emmanuel means, God with us. Informing the Jews of that time that God was there among them. As he told his disciples numerous times.
Jesus being God was not a man. He was God manifesting as a Jewish male in order to bring a new covenant to his people.
When the Jews saw Emmanuel they saw God their Father.
The Pharisees and Sadducees nailed flesh and bone to the Romans cross. The Roman guard merely drove the nails into his body.
It was all his plan from before he was born.
So when someone opens a discussion to stoke people's opinions and garner the kind of replies posted this far that asks if Jesus could return as a female, the natural answer is yes.
Even when the OP wants to stoke inflammatory responses given the question.
Much like those who make an OP asking if God calls women to preach.
Jesus, Emmanuel, had women in his life to the day he ascended. He appeared resurrected to a woman first.
He's GOD!
He can do anything he wants because he was never a man. ("God is not a man that he should lie.")
Jesus broke the barriers that separated his people by the letter of " the law".
Which as we know had everything to do with the temple law enforcers wanting him dead.
There is no male, female, slave, free, Jew or Greek. We are all one in Christ.
Emmanuel will return as he was.
Remembering these are narrative accounts, not Jesus stating these things, I think we have to consider what that really means.
God, Holy Spirit, was with us in first century Palestine.
The Holy Spirit is not a man.
"When the Temple was destroyed and Israel went into exile, the Holy Spirit returned to heaven; this is indicated in Eccl. xii. 7: "the spirit shall return unto God" (Eccl. R. xii. 7). The spirit talks sometimes with a masculine and sometimes with a feminine voice (Eccl. vii. 29 [A. V. 28]); i.e., as the word "ruaḥ" is both masculine and feminine, the Holy Spirit was conceived as being sometimes a man and sometimes a woman."
https://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/7833-holy-spirit
When Emmanuel said there is no male or female, we are all one in Christ, I think we make a serious mistake insisting God would return as a man when he wasn't actually one the first time he appeared here.
Injecting a prejudice into the second coming is antithetical to Emmanuel's message.
Jesus, Emmanuel will return as he was.
He was God! Not a man.
The same Jesus is Emmanuel. GOD.
God chose a woman to bring himself into this world. Given the Patriarchal construct of Judaism at that time.
Jesus is not a flesh and blood man in Heaven.
Emmanuel was his actual name, and Emmanuel means, God with us. Informing the Jews of that time that God was there among them. As he told his disciples numerous times.
Jesus being God was not a man. He was God manifesting as a Jewish male in order to bring a new covenant to his people.
When the Jews saw Emmanuel they saw God their Father.
The Pharisees and Sadducees nailed flesh and bone to the Romans cross. The Roman guard merely drove the nails into his body.
It was all his plan from before he was born.
So when someone opens a discussion to stoke people's opinions and garner the kind of replies posted this far that asks if Jesus could return as a female, the natural answer is yes.
Even when the OP wants to stoke inflammatory responses given the question.
Much like those who make an OP asking if God calls women to preach.
Jesus, Emmanuel, had women in his life to the day he ascended. He appeared resurrected to a woman first.
He's GOD!
He can do anything he wants because he was never a man. ("God is not a man that he should lie.")
Jesus broke the barriers that separated his people by the letter of " the law".
Which as we know had everything to do with the temple law enforcers wanting him dead.
There is no male, female, slave, free, Jew or Greek. We are all one in Christ.
Emmanuel will return as he was.
Remembering these are narrative accounts, not Jesus stating these things, I think we have to consider what that really means.
God, Holy Spirit, was with us in first century Palestine.
The Holy Spirit is not a man.
"When the Temple was destroyed and Israel went into exile, the Holy Spirit returned to heaven; this is indicated in Eccl. xii. 7: "the spirit shall return unto God" (Eccl. R. xii. 7). The spirit talks sometimes with a masculine and sometimes with a feminine voice (Eccl. vii. 29 [A. V. 28]); i.e., as the word "ruaḥ" is both masculine and feminine, the Holy Spirit was conceived as being sometimes a man and sometimes a woman."
https://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/7833-holy-spirit
When Emmanuel said there is no male or female, we are all one in Christ, I think we make a serious mistake insisting God would return as a man when he wasn't actually one the first time he appeared here.
Injecting a prejudice into the second coming is antithetical to Emmanuel's message.
Jesus, Emmanuel will return as he was.
He was God! Not a man.
The same Jesus is Emmanuel. GOD.
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Jesus was and still is. Both.
That's how children are generally born, yes.
There is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus. 1 Timothy 2:5
What in the world? Jesus was and is a man.
Some did... many and perhaps even most did not. Fathers are male also. It was
good enough for Jesus to refer to God as a male. It is good enough for me, too.
You contradict yourself.
That's how children are generally born, yes.
There is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus. 1 Timothy 2:5
What in the world? Jesus was and is a man.
Some did... many and perhaps even most did not. Fathers are male also. It was
good enough for Jesus to refer to God as a male. It is good enough for me, too.
You contradict yourself.
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To point out your first response yes his response was rude to say the least but not ignorant like you said and as for him being an unbeliever trust me he is more of a believer than you are the Jesus you subscribe to you is not the one we do the very idea that anyone would desire a Jesus like the one proposed here in this thread is horrifying
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Hello ButterflyJones, no one teaches that our fallen, earthly bodies are what we will have in the eternity to come, rather, the whole of the church teaches that at the resurrection of the dead, we will be given new, glorified/spiritual bodies, bodies that are suited for eternal life in the new age/on the new earth.
The one body is described in terms of its essential characteristics as earthly, on the one hand, and therefore belonging to the life of the present age, and as heavenly, on the other, and therefore belonging to the life of the Spirit in the age to come.
It is “spiritual,” not in the sense of “immaterial”, but of “supernatural”.
The transformed body, therefore, is not composed of “spirit”; it is a body adapted to the eschatological existence that is under the ultimate domination of the Spirit. We will bear the likeness of Christ (v. 49) in a transformed body, fitted for the new age. ~Fee, Gordon, NICNT, Commentary, 1st Epistle to the Corinthians
~Deuteronomy
p.s. - here are three passages to consider if you'd care to, the first one is prior to the Lord's resurrection. Here He talks to His disciples and tells them that the next time that He drinks wine with them will be in His Father's Kingdom.
The final two passages happen after His resurrection. Take note that His now resurrected/glorified body is not an immaterial vapor of some sort, rather, He points out to them that it is made up of "flesh and bones" (now glorified, of course).
1 Corinthians 15
39 All flesh is not the same: Men have one kind of flesh, animals have another, birds another and fish another.
40 There are also ~heavenly bodies~ and there are ~earthly bodies~, but the splendour of the heavenly bodies is one kind, and the splendour of the earthly bodies is another.
41 The sun has one kind of splendour, the moon another and the stars another; and star differs from star in splendour.
42 So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The ~body~ that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable;
43 it is sown in dishonour, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power;
44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.
45 So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit.
46 The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual.
47 The first man was of the dust of the earth, the second man from heaven.
48 As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the man from heaven, so also are those who are of heaven.
49 And just as we have borne the likeness of the earthly man, so we shall bear the likeness of the man from heaven.
The one body is described in terms of its essential characteristics as earthly, on the one hand, and therefore belonging to the life of the present age, and as heavenly, on the other, and therefore belonging to the life of the Spirit in the age to come.
It is “spiritual,” not in the sense of “immaterial”, but of “supernatural”.
The transformed body, therefore, is not composed of “spirit”; it is a body adapted to the eschatological existence that is under the ultimate domination of the Spirit. We will bear the likeness of Christ (v. 49) in a transformed body, fitted for the new age. ~Fee, Gordon, NICNT, Commentary, 1st Epistle to the Corinthians
~Deuteronomy
p.s. - here are three passages to consider if you'd care to, the first one is prior to the Lord's resurrection. Here He talks to His disciples and tells them that the next time that He drinks wine with them will be in His Father's Kingdom.
The final two passages happen after His resurrection. Take note that His now resurrected/glorified body is not an immaterial vapor of some sort, rather, He points out to them that it is made up of "flesh and bones" (now glorified, of course).
Matthew 26
26 While they were eating, Jesus took some bread, and after a blessing, He broke it and gave it to the disciples, and said, “Take, eat; this is My body.”
27 And when He had taken a cup and given thanks, He gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you;
28 for this is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for forgiveness of sins.
29 “But I say to you, I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on ~until that day when I drink it new with you in My Father’s kingdom.~”
Luke 24
36 While they were telling these things, Jesus Himself stood in their midst and said to them, “Peace be to you.”
37 But they were startled and frightened and thought that they were seeing a spirit.
38 And He said to them, “Why are you troubled, and why do doubts arise in your hearts?
39 “See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.”
40 And when He had said this, He showed them His hands and His feet.
41 While they still could not believe it because of their joy and amazement, He said to them, “Have you anything here to eat?”
42 They gave Him a piece of a broiled fish;
43 and He took it and ate it before them.
John 20
24 Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came.
25 So the other disciples were saying to him, “We have seen the Lord!” But he said to them, “Unless I see in His hands the imprint of the nails, and put my finger into the place of the nails, and put my hand into His side, I will not believe.”
26 After eight days His disciples were again inside, and Thomas with them. Jesus came, the doors having been shut, and stood in their midst and said, “Peace be with you.”
27 Then He said to Thomas, “Reach here with your finger, and see My hands; and reach here your hand and put it into My side; and do not be unbelieving, but believing.”
28 Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”
29 Jesus said to him, “Because you have seen Me, have you believed? Blessed are they who did not see, and yet believed.”
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This is (at least) the second time that you've said that "God is not a man." And I can't disagree with that, however I think that I would expand on that and rather say that God is not man... drop the "a". He's not a woman either, right?
God is not mankind... He's something completely other... people like to say that He's spirit, as if that really clarifies things? I, myself, have no idea what it means to be spirit... I kinda' doubt that anyone else does either, though several people have tried to educate me over the years, lol.
God does "present" Himself as a man/male though and has throughout Scripture. Though I'm not sure why, I do have some ideas about that. Regardless, as I understand things, there are some ancient Jewish word usages that attribute feminine qualities to God... IDK? But since He created both male and female... and He made them both in His image... feminine qualities must be part of His image. (Just my opinion).
Scripture seems clear to me that Jesus and the Father will continue to present as male figures in the future.
Be Blessed.
God is not mankind... He's something completely other... people like to say that He's spirit, as if that really clarifies things? I, myself, have no idea what it means to be spirit... I kinda' doubt that anyone else does either, though several people have tried to educate me over the years, lol.
God does "present" Himself as a man/male though and has throughout Scripture. Though I'm not sure why, I do have some ideas about that. Regardless, as I understand things, there are some ancient Jewish word usages that attribute feminine qualities to God... IDK? But since He created both male and female... and He made them both in His image... feminine qualities must be part of His image. (Just my opinion).
Scripture seems clear to me that Jesus and the Father will continue to present as male figures in the future.
Be Blessed.
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Will Jesus "Second coming" present as a woman this time?
I'm curious to see what people's thought's are about this? I would like a open-minded discussion about this, if possible.
I'm curious to see what people's thought's are about this? I would like a open-minded discussion about this, if possible.
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Even as flesh and blood human Yeshua, Jesus was not fully mortal. He was God manifest in the flesh.
In the beginning God created the first humans in God's image and likeness.
God created all things of and from himself.
Though masculine pronouns are used to describe God as expected in a patriarchal religious construct, we are told God is a spirit. Holy Spirit. God created humans in God's image and likeness. Male and female created he them.
I don't think we will ever know in this life the immensity that is God.
However I do know that a mortal human flesh and blood male is not on God's right side in Heaven.
When Emmanuel was God incarnate here delivering the Gospel he was in the image and likeness of a man, while being empowered as God.
Which is why he raised the dead, cast out demons, healed, and conquered the crucifixion death that killed flesh and blood men.
You shall call his name Emmanuel , meaning God with us.
If Emmanuel is a flesh and blood mortal male in Heaven now, Paul lied when he said flesh and blood cannot enter Heaven, the perishable cannot inherit the imperishable.
And worse, it would mean God doesn't exist but is a human construct. Because Jesus was God in flesh on earth. If he's still a mortal Jewish male and blood male in Heaven, that's not a divine Holy Spirit. And again Paul's proclamation is false.
Jesus was in a glorified body when he resurrected.
To prove he was Emmanuel returned he made himself to appear as the man his disciples knew was crucified. Showing them his wounds from the crucifixion. After he did something no mortal can do.
Appeared to his disciples in the upper room without opening the door to enter in.
When Jesus/God said we are all one in him, no male, female, I think if we insist those categories of separation apply to "him" at his second coming, and "he" must be a mortal male, we're missing the point of God's entire mission of deliverance.
He will return the same as he was. He was God through and through.Emmanuels flesh and blood male form was both of and from God.
And besides all that, no one has a picture of Jesus from first century. We know he will return as he was. That is, Savior of the world. God.
Who created everything of and from himself , Holy Spirit.
Women being marginalized is human sin. Not of God. Who created both in God's image and likeness.
In the beginning God created the first humans in God's image and likeness.
God created all things of and from himself.
Though masculine pronouns are used to describe God as expected in a patriarchal religious construct, we are told God is a spirit. Holy Spirit. God created humans in God's image and likeness. Male and female created he them.
I don't think we will ever know in this life the immensity that is God.
However I do know that a mortal human flesh and blood male is not on God's right side in Heaven.
When Emmanuel was God incarnate here delivering the Gospel he was in the image and likeness of a man, while being empowered as God.
Which is why he raised the dead, cast out demons, healed, and conquered the crucifixion death that killed flesh and blood men.
You shall call his name Emmanuel , meaning God with us.
If Emmanuel is a flesh and blood mortal male in Heaven now, Paul lied when he said flesh and blood cannot enter Heaven, the perishable cannot inherit the imperishable.
And worse, it would mean God doesn't exist but is a human construct. Because Jesus was God in flesh on earth. If he's still a mortal Jewish male and blood male in Heaven, that's not a divine Holy Spirit. And again Paul's proclamation is false.
Jesus was in a glorified body when he resurrected.
To prove he was Emmanuel returned he made himself to appear as the man his disciples knew was crucified. Showing them his wounds from the crucifixion. After he did something no mortal can do.
Appeared to his disciples in the upper room without opening the door to enter in.
When Jesus/God said we are all one in him, no male, female, I think if we insist those categories of separation apply to "him" at his second coming, and "he" must be a mortal male, we're missing the point of God's entire mission of deliverance.
He will return the same as he was. He was God through and through.Emmanuels flesh and blood male form was both of and from God.
And besides all that, no one has a picture of Jesus from first century. We know he will return as he was. That is, Savior of the world. God.
Who created everything of and from himself , Holy Spirit.
Women being marginalized is human sin. Not of God. Who created both in God's image and likeness.
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