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presidente · Apr 13, 2023

(I added the bold emphasis to the quote.)

What exactly is your objection? Would you agree with me that Paul was filled with the Holy Spirit? Where or not it had anything to do with Ananias' laying hands on Saul/Paul, he received the Spirit apart from the laying on of hands of the twelve apostles.

Paul also wrote to Timothy to lay hands on no man suddenly.

Some time later in Acts 13 we read, "9 Then Saul, who also is called Paul, filled with the Holy Spirit, looked intently at him..." (NKJV). So Paul did receive the Holy Spirit, and since in Galatians, he said that those who seemed to be somewhat added nothing to him, we can conclude that he recieved the Holy Spirit apart from the original 12 apostles. He also healed and recieved Revelations.

There is also no indication in Acts 6-8 that Stephen and Philip performing signs and miracles was connected with the laying of hands of the apostles. Hands were laid on them in connection to the ministry to the widows.

DJT_47 · Apr 13, 2023

CS1 said:

you are not reading what was said and done

So let's read what actually happen recorded in the text, shall we?

Start in Acts chapter 9:3-19

3 As he journeyed he came near Damascus, and suddenly a light shone around him from heaven. 4 Then he fell to the ground, and heard a voice saying to him, “Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me?”
5 And he said, “Who are You, Lord?”
Then the Lord said, “I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting. [a]It is hard for you to kick against the goads.”
6 So he, trembling and astonished, said, “Lord, what do You want me to do?”
Then the Lord said to him, “Arise and go into the city, and you will be told what you must do.”
7 And the men who journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice but seeing no one. 8 Then Saul arose from the ground, and when his eyes were opened he saw no one. But they led him by the hand and brought him into Damascus. 9 And he was three days without sight, and neither ate nor drank.

10 Now there was a certain disciple at Damascus named Ananias; and to him the Lord said in a vision, “Ananias.”

And he said, “Here I am, Lord.”

11 So the Lord said to him, “Arise and go to the street called Straight, and inquire at the house of Judas for one called Saul of Tarsus, for behold, he is praying. 12 And in a vision he has seen a man named Ananias coming in and putting his hand on him, so that he might receive his sight.”

13 Then Ananias answered, “Lord, I have heard from many about this man, how much harm he has done to Your saints in Jerusalem. 14 And here he has authority from the chief priests to bind all who call on Your name.”

15 But the Lord said to him, “Go, for he is a chosen vessel of Mine to bear My name before Gentiles, kings, and the children of Israel. 16 For I will show him how many things he must suffer for My name’s sake.”

17 And Ananias went his way and entered the house; and laying his hands on him

he said,
“Brother Saul, the Lord Jesus, who appeared to you on the road as you came, has sent me that you may receive your sight and be filled with the Holy Spirit.”

18 Immediately there fell from his eyes something like scales, and he received his sight at once; and he arose and was baptized.

19 So when he had received food, he was strengthened. Then Saul spent some days with the disciples at Damascus.

Ananias clearly received more instruction FROM the Lord Jesus that Paul should also be filled with the Holy Spirit

Did he receive his sight? Was Paul filled with the Holy Spirit? YES. Did Jesus say to do both? YES. Where you get the idea he was not to be filled with the Holy Spirit when Ananias said Jesus said Paul was to be. Context guy.

DJT_47 · Apr 13, 2023

presidente said:

1. Paul received his sight and was not filled with the Holy Spirit at that time. He only received his sight.
2. He was then baptized
3. He received the gift of the Holy Ghost upon being baptized as all do according to Acts 2:38.

Read the scriptures again. Upon receiving his sight it says nothing about also receiving tge Holy Ghost. Nothing. So, I don't agree with you that he received his sight simultaneously with receiving his sight. That's NOT what the scripture says.

Niki7 · Apr 13, 2023

DJT_47 said:

4 Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit; 5 and there are varieties of service, but the same Lord; 6 and there are varieties of activities, but it is the same God who empowers them all in everyone. 7 To each is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good. 8 For to one is given through the Spirit the utterance of wisdom, and to another the utterance of knowledge according to the same Spirit, 9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by the one Spirit, 10 to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another the ability to distinguish between spirits, to another various kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. I Cor. 12

14 Pursue love, and earnestly desire the spiritual gifts, especially that you may prophesy. 2 For one who speaks in a tongue speaks not to men but to God; for no one understands him, but he utters mysteries in the Spirit. 3 On the other hand, the one who prophesies speaks to people for their upbuilding and encouragement and consolation. 4 The one who speaks in a tongue builds up himself, but the one who prophesies builds up the church. 5 Now I want you all to speak in tongues, but even more to prophesy. The one who prophesies is greater than the one who speaks in tongues, unless someone interprets, so that the church may be built up. I Cor. 14

V. 2 above clearly indicates that people were not speaking in languages that others understood. Of course since you do not believe, it does not matter to you what kind of biblical evidence contrary to your contentions is presented.

DJT_47 · Apr 13, 2023

Niki7 said:

That's why the scripture says you must have one who also interprets, or shut up!

1 cor 14:13-15

13Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret. 14For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful. 15What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also:

1 Cor 14:22-23

22Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe. 23If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?

1 Cor 14:27-28

27If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret. 28But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.

Niki7 · Apr 13, 2023

I brought the following up in my post 127 yesterday and it been passed over so I am posting it again

It is with attention paid to the timeline and the fact Paul was not writing what we call the New Testament today. Paul was writing letters to various believers/churches and not to people who believed they did the best job they could in deciding which of the letter would make it into the canon of scripture we call the Bible today.

For those with objections to tongues (or really any spiritual gift):

My original post:
Does it occur to anyone that Paul would have had to be schizophrenic to write all about the gifts then turn around and tell us that they are no longer needed because the 'perfect' has come?

You really cannot wrap your head around that if you give it some thought.

What was the perfect to Paul? The completed canon of scripture? Well hardly. He was writing letters.

That some churches need correction like the Corinthians? Sure. But cessationist churches also need correction. Forbid not to speak in tongues means do not forbid people to speak in tongues but do it correctly as per my instructions.

Paul would not give both correction and instruction to the Corinthian church in one letter then turn around in the next letter and say well never mind because one day we shall what will be called the canon of scripture and these letters will be in that book in the New Testament section and people will come to understand that I never meant for any spiritual gift to continue into the future.

You have to be something of a dummkopf to believe that scenario ESPECIALLY since we have teaching both before and AFTER I Corinthians 13 regarding the spiritual gifts.

This alone confirms the fact that Paul was never speaking about tongues or other gifts ending when the Bible was accepted as complete since he knew nothing about a Bible, nothing about a canon of scripture and nothing about people believing that the gifts of God through His Spirit would be considered no longer necessary.

Now if you actually think that way, you are living proof of how very badly the spiritual gifts are needed today both for the edification and building up of the body of Christ and in time spent between God and the believer....personal edification.

I won't bother to try and create awareness of this simple and logical proof of the gifts not having ceased again. Some of you are determined to prove the doctrines of your church or personal beliefs as superior to what the Bible has to say on the subject and I actually do not believe any of you will be turned away from that sort of putting your nose in the air and acting superior about this subject. You will not ever prove God or the Holy Spirit a liar but will be proven to be in direct and faithless contrast to biblical truth.

Go ahead and do all your 'works' in your own strength.

studentoftheword · Apr 13, 2023

Fundaamental said:

Ya ---Well Satan has you and all these people so deceived and hooked into believing this False Doctrine -----so sad for you all

You need to understand How Satan works -----

You need to understand How Satan Bates and Hooks you ----

You and this new born again atheist church rising is rising out of Hell Not Heaven ---

You have all been Had by the Great Deceiver ----

And Satan is laughing all the way to His Soul bank as He has you and others to deposit ------

Niki7 · Apr 13, 2023

DJT_47 said:

I think tongues might be a good sign for you since you are without belief in what scripture plainly states.

Listen though. I am not taking up an argument or debate with you. We are told in scripture not to become involved in such things. You are without understanding regarding the spiritual gifts and I did not really post #186 with you in mind.

If some people want to take on the personal burden of thinking they can persuade you otherwise, that is their business.

I actually pretty much do not care as much as I used to when people smear those who speak in tongues or produce scripture that they wrest and twist into their own understanding. I came from that background but thankfully it did not take root and when I asked God for the gift of His Spirit, He was gracious enough to fill me.

Was I saved before that? I do believe so. However scripture is plain that salvation, while first, is not the last thing.

You seem incensed that people might have a different experience that do you. That says more about you than you may know.

DJT_47 · Apr 13, 2023

Niki7 said:

I think tongues might be a good sign for you since you are without belief in what scripture plainly states.

Listen though. I am not taking up an argument or debate with you. We are told in scripture not to become involved in such things. You are without understanding regarding the spiritual gifts and I did not really post #186 with you in mind.

If some people want to take on the personal burden of thinking they can persuade you otherwise, that is their business.

I actually pretty much do not care as much as I used to when people smear those who speak in tongues or produce scripture that they wrest and twist into their own understanding. I came from that background but thankfully it did not take root and when I asked God for the gift of His Spirit, He was gracious enough to fill me.

Was I saved before that? I do believe so. However scripture is plain that salvation, while first, is not the last thing.

You seem incensed that people might have a different experience that do you. That says more about you than you may know.

I understand perfectly and do not need tongues which WAS a sign to unbelievers. Goodbye 👋 believe whatever you like

CS1 · Apr 13, 2023

DJT_47 said:

that is not what the text says:

it says in Acts 9:

ending of verse 17 "may receive your sight and be filled with the Holy Spirit.” 18 Immediately there fell from his eyes something like scales, and he received his sight at once; and he arose and was baptized.

19 So when he had received food, he was strengthened. Then Saul spent some days with the disciples at Damascus.

as we read on, there is nothing in the book of Acts of Paul having the same experience as Peter and the other Apostles as what was said in chapter 9 with Ananias.

What happens after chapter 9 healing of Pauls's eyes? He was baptized in water? or the Holy Spirit ?

well the chapter goes on to say:

20 Immediately he preached the Christ in the synagogues, that He is the Son of God.
21 Then all who heard were amazed, and said, “Is this not he who destroyed those who called on this name in Jerusalem, and has come here for that purpose, so that he might bring them bound to the chief priests?”
22 But Saul increased all the more in strength, and confounded the Jews who dwelt in Damascus, proving that this Jesus is the Christ.

it is not until chapters 13:9-11

9 Then Saul, who also is called Paul, filled with the Holy Spirit,(past tense) looked intently at him 10 and said, “O full of all deceit and all fraud, you son of the devil, you enemy of all righteousness, will you not cease perverting the straight ways of the Lord? 11 And now, indeed, the hand of the Lord is upon you, and you shall be blind, not seeing the sun for a time.”

There is nothing to show he was not already filled with the Holy Spirit. I will concede to you it is a possibility the laying on of hands in chapter 13:3 and then the sending away of Paul and Barnabas may have been the time but there is no record of the empowerment meant as we have seen on all others up to this point in in the House of Cornelius.

Niki7 · Apr 13, 2023

And to the op wanting to know if he is a prophet

No. And you do not seem to understand salvation.,

English is obviously not your first language and it is my conviction you are either trolling and having a laugh and trying to make sincere but mistaken Christians out as fools, or you are bored and think to pass away that boredom by making the inane and actually stupid comments you have made.

These people are precious in the sight of God and doing their best to help you...that is those who actually think you might be sincere.

If you were actually saved, I would tell you that God does not bring someone into the fold and the next day give them a gift that can destroy when used inappropriately.

I don't know who you are but I do know you are born in the UK and you have been spinning some big stories.

Niki7 · Apr 13, 2023

DJT_47 said:

Sorry still here. What part of I am not even speaking to you did you not get?

I used your post as an example of how those who disregard scripture in favor of man's doctrine think and talk.

The reason I know you will not bother to search out the truth is that you have proven that over and over and over.

DJT_47 · Apr 13, 2023

CS1 said:

that is not what the text says:

it says in Acts 9:

ending of verse 17 "may receive your sight and be filled with the Holy Spirit.” 18 Immediately there fell from his eyes something like scales, and he received his sight at once; and he arose and was baptized.

19 So when he had received food, he was strengthened. Then Saul spent some days with the disciples at Damascus.

as we read on, there is nothing in the book of Acts of Paul having the same experience as Peter and the other Apostles as what was said in chapter 9 with Ananias.

What happens after chapter 9 healing of Pauls's eyes? He was baptized in water? or the Holy Spirit ?

well the chapter goes on to say:

20 Immediately he preached the Christ in the synagogues, that He is the Son of God.
21 Then all who heard were amazed, and said, “Is this not he who destroyed those who called on this name in Jerusalem, and has come here for that purpose, so that he might bring them bound to the chief priests?”
22 But Saul increased all the more in strength, and confounded the Jews who dwelt in Damascus, proving that this Jesus is the Christ.

it is not until chapters 13:9-11

9 Then Saul, who also is called Paul, filled with the Holy Spirit,(past tense) looked intently at him 10 and said, “O full of all deceit and all fraud, you son of the devil, you enemy of all righteousness, will you not cease perverting the straight ways of the Lord? 11 And now, indeed, the hand of the Lord is upon you, and you shall be blind, not seeing the sun for a time.”

There is nothing to show he was not already filled with the Holy Spirit. I will concede to you it is a possibility the laying on of hands in chapter 13:3 and then the sending away of Paul and Barnabas may have been the time but there is no record of the empowerment meant as we have seen on all others up to this point in in the House of Cornelius.

I pointed out initially the difference in what the Lord said which only related to sight in verse 12 and what Ananias said which was different. The Lord said NOTHING about receiving the Holy Spirit, only the restoration of Saul/Paul's sight. That's what the scripture says and that's what happened. READ IT AGAIN!

CS1 · Apr 13, 2023

DJT_47 said:

No, it does not. Again improper understanding and misuse of the word of God the term " Shut up "is not used. Let's see what it really says in chapter 14 of 1cor. 14:27-33

27 If anyone speaks in a tongue, let there be two or at the most three, each in turn, and let one interpret.

28 But if there is no interpreter, let him keep silent in church, and let him speak to himself and to God. (shut up is not used)
29 Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others judge.
30 But if anything is revealed to another who sits by, let the first keep silent.
31 For you can all prophesy one by one, that all may learn and all may be encouraged.

32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.

33 For God is not the author of confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints.

Nothing says to shut up. It says to be mature in the use of the gifts, for we did not receive a spirit of out of control but of Self-control.

DJT_47 · Apr 13, 2023

CS1 said:

No, it does not. Again improper understanding and misuse of the word of God the term " Shut up "is not used. Let's see what it really says in chapter 14 of 1cor. 14:27-33

27 If anyone speaks in a tongue, let there be two or at the most three, each in turn, and let one interpret.

28 But if there is no interpreter, let him keep silent in church, and let him speak to himself and to God. (shut up is not used)
29 Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others judge.
30 But if anything is revealed to another who sits by, let the first keep silent.
31 For you can all prophesy one by one, that all may learn and all may be encouraged.

32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.

33 For God is not the author of confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints.

Nothing says to shut up. It says to be mature in the use of the gifts, for we did not receive a spirit of out of control but of Self-control.

You got my point
I know what it says. Goodbye. Go argue with someone that's willing to waste their time with you.

Niki7 · Apr 13, 2023

Niki7 said:

Meant to say 'not' born in the UK. English is still the language of those born there and it is obviously not the op's first language.

CS1 · Apr 13, 2023

DJT_47 said:

Sorry, that is not what it says The context is Ananias received instruction from the Lord to lay hand on Saul, known later as Paul to receive his sight and be filled with the Holy Spirit. You cannot say what the Lord Said in one part of the text and dismiss what Ananias the person who received the instruction from the Lord said to Paul. Do you think Ananias added that PART?

YOU NEED TO READ IT AGAIN

TRY THE FULL CHAPTER GUY

don't cherry pick

CS1 · Apr 13, 2023

DJT_47 said:

not arguing but that you for conceding

DJT_47 · Apr 13, 2023

CS1 said:

The Lord's words not mine below. Pretty clear what the Lord's instructions were to Ananias.

Acts 9:11-12

11And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the street which is called Straight, and inquire in the house of Judas for one called Saul, of Tarsus: for, behold, he prayeth, 12And hath seen in a vision a man named Ananias coming in, and putting his hand on him, that he might receive his sight.

Fundaamental · Apr 13, 2023

studentoftheword said:

It sounds like your offended by the op of the thread.

Has the op insulted you or something ?.

It's seems to have offended quite a few people here.

Which is why I'm not engaging because I can't see why you would want to believe the unjust judge was saved or he was confessing with sincerity.

Just answer a truthful question without resorting to anymore ridiculous pictures.
Do you think the unjust just was confessing with sincerity baring in mind he had only set out to let the persistent widow have justice, because he didn't care what God thought or what people thought.
His only motive to confess God brings justice was for his own desire.

Why would you become offended by me calling an unjust judge an athiest. ?

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