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[Dino246]

All the miraculous gifts or manifestations of the Spirit have ceased since they all were enabled by the laying on of the apostle's hands who are all dead. And the gifts are no longer as they were on the early church, which were necessary build and edify the body of Christ. We have the written word now as well which is the complete word of God wherein they did not in biblical times.

Those of us who have personally witnessed the gifts in operation can only dismiss your assertion as false.

 

[CS1]

To your first comment, I didn't say nor infer mor do tge scriptures that laying on ofvtge apostle's hands was a gift of the Spirit. The various gifts are listed in 1 Cor 12:8-10. The laying on of the apostle's hands was the power promised to them by the Lord per Luke 24:49.

Read Acts 6:6-8 and the account of Stephen and the laying on of the apostle's hands as relates to the wonders and miracles he performed thereafter, and Acts 8:14-19 and the apostle's laying on of hands on the Samarians and Simon the sorcerer wanting to purchase the power that the apostles possessed, and the account of Paul having to lay his hands on the Ephesians in Acts 19 for them to receive the gifts.

And you are not understanding the Cornelius issue in Acts 10 which was not the norm nor was it the norm in Acts 2 with the Spirit falling first without laying on of hands. In both those instances, it fell unilaterally as a sign to those present and in both cases it fell in that way for a specific reason: to establish the 1st church in Jerusalem and likewise the 1st Gentile church in Caesarea.

the norm is the Holy Spirit is not controlled by man or an Apostle.

The working of miracles was done by many who were disciples. The Baptism of the Holy Spirit was normative by the laying on of hands, not a requirement to be so.

Jesus said you shall receive power after the Holy Ghost come upon you. Acts 1:8

In John chapter 14 Jesus said the Holy Spirit will be in you and with you. Nothing you provided give me more understanding but I thank you anyway

 

[DJT_47]

Those of us who have personally witnessed the gifts in operation can only dismiss your assertion as false.

I'll stick to the clear words of the bible.

What have you witnessed? Incoherent gibberish and babbling supposedly tongues? Tongues in the bible were known, earthly tongues. Have you witnessed actual miracles? Had someone straightened another's leg before your eyes? Or prophesied beyond what the complete word of God says? What EXACTLY have you and others witnessed or performed?

 

[CS1]

I'll stick to the clear words of the bible.

What have you witnessed? Incoherent gibberish and babbling supposedly tongues? Tongues in the bible were known, earthly tongues. Have you witnessed actual miracles? Had someone straightened another's leg before your eyes? Or prophesied beyond what the complete word of God says? What EXACTLY have you and others witnessed or performed?

That's too bad you result in insults. I did not see the word " gibberish " in the Clear words of the Bible. What have I witnessed?
I would love to tell you, all about them. You go first? FYI I am not A " Performer," Jesus said, Matthew 16:4
"A wicked and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign shall be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah.” And He left them and departed ."


I'm Not Like those who ask for one to do a miracle for proof; you know, modern-day Pharisees, that is not me. I walk to a different word from Jesus; maybe you know it?

It's in the clear word of God.

Mark 16:17-18

17And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues; 18 they will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover.”

I can't wait to hear all the things you have done for the Lord.


God bless you

 

[Fundaamental]

I have a very special message for you all
From brother Angus Buchan only 5 mins long.
Angus is my mentor a true brother in Christ.
When ever I have a question he has a sermon about it, it's rather strange.

I've learned so much from him over the last 12 months, and he's always prophesying like in this video next.
The gift of prophecy should also apply to the gift of prohesying also, but anyhow that's my two sence. I'm not going to argue with someone who may disagree.
And if some one does disagree well that's fine two 🙂. But Please don't take my word for it and feel encouraged to spend some time with a true brother.

 

[Beckie]

That's too bad you result in insults. I did not see the word " gibberish " in the Clear words of the Bible. What have I witnessed?
I would love to tell you, all about them. You go first? FYI I am not A " Performer," Jesus said, Matthew 16:4
"A wicked and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign shall be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah.” And He left them and departed ."


I'm Not Like those who ask for one to do a miracle for proof; you know, modern-day Pharisees, that is not me. I walk to a different word from Jesus; maybe you know it?

It's in the clear word of God.

Mark 16:17-18

17And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues; 18 they will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover.”

I can't wait to hear all the things you have done for the Lord.


God bless you

Have you, personally done these things? Do you, speak in a new tongue, Have you casted out demons, have you taken up a serpents, drank any poison ? All you have laid hands on have been healed?

 

[CS1]

Have you, personally done these things? Do you, speak in a new tongue, Have you casted out demons, have you taken up a serpents, drank any poison ? All you have laid hands on have been healed?

Does one have to do all of it or just one on the list to satisfy one curiosity?

It is a secular humanistic expectation to ask one if he has done so when I could easily ask why have one not done so as a professing Christian? That would get us nowhere

The issue is, have the gifts stopped, yes or no, according to the clear word of God? There is no scripture to say or even suggest that.

Other than 1cor chapter 13: 8-10, and that is not clear; it means the canonization of the bible that the gifts of the Holy Spirit are not needed anymore.


If I say yes to the list you have provided, those will say prove it come online, and speak live in tongues for us. Perform your gift. That sounds like a Pharisees to me.

As if we need a pharisee validation or someone else's. I am a minister of the gospel working in the office of an evangelist. I have seen hundreds saved all over the world, Yes I have seen healing and prayed for sick people, and they were healed, all glory to God. I have not drunk any deadly thing that I am aware of to see if I would die. I do not think the text is saying to do that, but Jesus is saying he will protect us, and that was clear with Paul, and Peter as we read in the book of Acts.

The greatest miracle I have ever seen has been and continues to be those saved and set free from addictions by the power of the gospel of Jesus Christ.

 

[Beckie]

Does one have to do all of it or just one on the list to satisfy one curiosity?

It is a secular humanistic expectation to ask one if he has done so when I could easily ask why have one not done so as a professing Christian? That would get us nowhere

The issue is, have the gifts stopped, yes or no, according to the clear word of God? There is no scripture to say or even suggest that.

Other than 1cor chapter 13: 8-10, and that is not clear; it means the canonization of the bible that the gifts of the Holy Spirit are not needed anymore.


If I say yes to the list you have provided, those will say prove it come online, and speak live in tongues for us. Perform your gift. That sounds like a Pharisees to me.

As if we need a pharisee validation or someone else's. I am a minister of the gospel working in the office of an evangelist. I have seen hundreds saved all over the world, Yes I have seen healing and prayed for sick people, and they were healed, all glory to God. I have not drunk any deadly thing that I am aware of to see if I would die. I do not think the text is saying to do that, but Jesus is saying he will protect us, and that was clear with Paul, and Peter as we read in the book of Acts.

The greatest miracle I have ever seen has been and continues to be those saved and set free from addictions by the power of the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Totally agree

 

[Fundaamental]

Well, if the Lord is really calling you to prophecy somewhere.... I don't see anywhere in scripture where it was optional. He can put you through a lot worse things than their tanks and their bombs and their guns or... a Cranberries music video.

All the people who have commented on my op so far in terms of replying to me this is the only one im going to apply to.
As my last post answers them all.

Hi somedeciple friend nice to meet you, it's a pleasure to talk to you today about the gift of prophecy.

When you say it's not optional are you talking about Jonah when God punished him for not obeying his commands.

 

[Tall_Timbers]

I started visiting Twitter after Musk purchased it and promised free speech. Whenever I see a tweet from someone who claims the title "prophet" I block that account. That pretty much sums up my thoughts on modern day prophets.

 

[Fundaamental]

Hello Gang,
First the gift of Prophecy is and always has been a FORTH TELLING of the word of GOD prior to the completion of scripture that may have included FORETELLING. However the BIBLE is complete the gift of PROPHECY is the ability to proclaim SCRIPTURE authoritative when needed. it not to predict future or claim a word from the Lord that does not come directly out of the Bible.
THE BATTLE RAGES TIL THE LION ROARS!!,
Clarence

Hi friend I can see you had 3 disagreements to this post.

I can't see why, was you talking about being in a conversation with someone, and befor you answer you seek Jesus and then you get a revalation.

 

[presidente]

Holy smokes.

The gift of prophecy is a gift from the holy spirit,

The prophecy will only come out of your lips because it's being spoken by the holy spirit to somebody who needs help in believing in God. It will be witnessed by two atheists and the prophecy will come true. The atheists will then go on to believe in God.

The prophecy will be spoken to an unbelieving athiest. Once the prophecy has come true the unbelieving person will hopefully believe God is real.

Prophecy is a gift given to edify members of the body of Christ. In I Corinthians 14, we see that prophecies are to be spoken in church to edify the church. But if an unbeliever or unlearned person comes in and all prophesy, he hears the secrets of his heart made manifest and says that God is truly among you.

I'm not saying that what you describe cannot happen. It's just prophecy can be used in other ways, and it is also to edify the body of Christ.

 

[OLDMANBORNAGAIN]

I've always believed that our Lord JESUS CHRIST was the final Messenger and Prophet!

 

[presidente]

All the miraculous gifts or manifestations of the Spirit have ceased since they all were enabled by the laying on of the apostle's hands who are all dead.

Hmmm. The 12 apostles drank wine, and if they are all dead, does that mean no one drank wine?

If the 12 apostles all taught the people of God, and the 12 or dead, does that mean that no one teaches the people of God?

Does the Bible teach that spiritual gifts came __exclusively__ through the laying on of hands of the apostles? Clearly not. And such an assertion contradicts some texts we have in scripture. For example, how did Saul/Paul receive the Spirit and spiritual gifts? It wasn't through the laying on of hands of the 12. A man named Ananias came to him that he might receive his sight and that he might be filled with the Holy Ghost. Ananias laid hands on him. Ananias was not one of the 12. And Paul said the 'pillars', when he went to Jerusalem 'added nothing to me.'

Cornelius also had an angelic visitation without having met Peter yet. And the Spirit fell when Peter was preaching and Gentiles present were baptized with the Holy Spirit and spoke with tongues. Given that Peter had just gotten over his qualms of going under a Gentile roof, it is unlikely that he was laying hands on them when he was preaching.

Timothy also received a spiritual gits through prophecy with the laying on of hands of the elders. He also had a gift in him through the laying on of Paul's hands. Given what he did for ministry, it is likely he had many gifts. But what we have in scripture is the doctrine we go by, and we see a gift can be imparted through prophecy.

I Corinthians 12 teaches that spiritual gifts are given as the Spirit wills. It does not teach that they are given as the apostles will or that the Spirit is limited to impart them through apostolic hands.

So while we can see in scripture that empowerment by the Spirit and spiritual gifts could come through the laying on of hands of the apostles, it is clear form scripture that they can be imparted without the laying on of hands of the Spirit. God is sovereign and He never limited Himself to working exclusively through the laying on of hands of the apostles.

It is also clear from the Old Testament that God was able and willing to empower certain individuals to work miracles before the 12 apostles came along.

And the gifts are no longer as they were on the early church, which were necessary build and edify the body of Christ. We have the written word now as well which is the complete word of God wherein they did not in biblical times.

The Bible does not teach that the Bible superceeds and does away with spiritual gifts.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

when i think in terms of Biblical Prophet, i think of someone who received a Word from God whether in a Dream, Vision, Audible Voice, etc. i think about how they then SHARE this Word from God by writing it down and telling those who were in relationship to the Jewish people. but "nowhere" do i see these men, used by God, make any predictions themselves, other than what was being related from the Word of God to the others.
basically, i see a Prophet much like a Preacher. Always involved in God's Work, doing God's Will, prepping themselves to hear from God to give their flock a message to address them. God put's a message upon their heart, mind, that small still VOICE speaks to them and in turn they share it to those they're preaching to.
obviously, Prophet is a greater title and role than Preacher, but in God's mind, in effort to have His Will done and His message to be heard, they basically are similar roles.

i don't get hung up on titles, if their message is legit, the Holy Spirit will let me know. and if a message aligns perfect with God's Word and you know that message is for those hearing, i don't care if the person calls themselves Prophet or not.

if God used a Donkey, God can use a person who ignorantly uses the title Prophet incorrectly.

and if anyone here is so Holy to ignore a message, because of someone's incorrect TITLE, you are a MORON!

 

[presidente]

To your first comment, I didn't say nor infer mor do tge scriptures that laying on ofvtge apostle's hands was a gift of the Spirit. The various gifts are listed in 1 Cor 12:8-10. The laying on of the apostle's hands was the power promised to them by the Lord per Luke 24:49.

Read Acts 6:6-8 and the account of Stephen and the laying on of the apostle's hands as relates to the wonders and miracles he performed thereafter, and Acts 8:14-19 and the apostle's laying on of hands on the Samarians and Simon the sorcerer wanting to purchase the power that the apostles possessed, and the account of Paul having to lay his hands on the Ephesians in Acts 19 for them to receive the gifts.

And you are not understanding the Cornelius issue in Acts 10 which was not the norm nor was it the norm in Acts 2 with the Spirit falling first without laying on of hands. In both those instances, it fell unilaterally as a sign to those present and in both cases it fell in that way for a specific reason: to establish the 1st church in Jerusalem and likewise the 1st Gentile church in Caesarea.

We have a few examples of the Spirit or a gift being imparted through the laying on of hands of the apostles, and a few examples without. It sounds like you arbitrarily want to make some cases the norm and others the exception.

You also supply your own reason for an exception without Biblical authority. Anyone can say 'The reason God did such and such was because of......' and make up some reason not taught in scripture. The Bible doesn't teach that the outpouring in Acts 10 was done that way as an exception to 'establish the 1st century church in Caesarea'. Do you have authority to just make up doctrine like that, to make up reasons scriptures happened to do away with the doctrinal implications of a scripture that doesn't fit into your way of thinking?

There were and are lots of other cities where the church is needed besides Caesarea.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

when i think in terms of Biblical Prophet, i think of someone who received a Word from God whether in a Dream, Vision, Audible Voice, etc. i think about how they then SHARE this Word from God by writing it down and telling those who were in relationship to the Jewish people. but "nowhere" do i see these men, used by God, make any predictions themselves, other than what was being related from the Word of God to the others.
basically, i see a Prophet much like a Preacher. Always involved in God's Work, doing God's Will, prepping themselves to hear from God to give their flock a message to address them. God put's a message upon their heart, mind, that small still VOICE speaks to them and in turn they share it to those they're preaching to.
obviously, Prophet is a greater title and role than Preacher, but in God's mind, in effort to have His Will done and His message to be heard, they basically are similar roles.

i don't get hung up on titles, if their message is legit, the Holy Spirit will let me know. and if a message aligns perfect with God's Word and you know that message is for those hearing, i don't care if the person calls themselves Prophet or not.

if God used a Donkey, God can use a person who ignorantly uses the title Prophet incorrectly.

and if anyone here is so Holy to ignore a message, because of someone's incorrect TITLE, you are a MORON!

the Word of God "instructs" [us] to TEST the spirit and the message to God's Holy Word.
but if you read someone's TITLE is this and then just IGNORE the message, and then get ONLINE and Rebuke them, when YOU did not test them...you know what that say's about YOU?

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

one more thought:

how many people get Saved per year?
as those people read, educate themselves, become Students of God, you are going through a transition before God gives you a Role.

ALL SAVED PEOPLE have a Role that God has for them even if the majority never fulfill that role.

my 3rd year Saved i laid hands on 2 people and prayed and later discovered they had a significant illness that God healed. but now i am stuck here thinking, does that mean i am Healer, as in, i should be in the Healing Ministry? few years went by and i was asked to lead home Bible Study, and later on after 40 years, i am a Preacher. but i went for years not really knowing what Role i had for God. things were happening in other roles that made me think maybe i am supposed to be doing this for God. i could have easily mis-titled my Role!

 

[CS1]

one more thought:

how many people get Saved per year?
as those people read, educate themselves, become Students of God, you are going through a transition before God gives you a Role.

ALL SAVED PEOPLE have a Role that God has for them even if the majority never fulfill that role.

my 3rd year Saved i laid hands on 2 people and prayed and later discovered they had a significant illness that God healed. but now i am stuck here thinking, does that mean i am Healer, as in, i should be in the Healing Ministry? few years went by and i was asked to lead home Bible Study, and later on after 40 years, i am a Preacher. but i went for years not really knowing what Role i had for God. things were happening in other roles that made me think maybe i am supposed to be doing this for God. i could have easily mis-titled my Role!

that's why discipleship is important. 1cor chapter 12 says this many do not understand and think it means something else

27 Now you are the body of Christ, and members individually.
28 And God has appointed these in the church:

first apostles,
second prophets,
third teachers,
after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, varieties of tongues.
29 Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers?
Are all workers of miracles?
30 Do all have gifts of healings? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret?


31 But earnestly desire the best gifts. And yet I show you a more excellent way.


What is the best gift? The one that is needed to get the job done. you have a bunch of sick people the gift of healing is needed not Prophesying or tongues. Does it mean you are a healer if the gift of healing is done through you? NO! It means you were a willing part of the body of Christ to be used by the Holy Spirit to bring forth healing

The best gift is the one that is needed at the time.

Jesus healed when healing was needed, and Jesus did miracles when they were needed like the feeding of the thousands Jesus did not cast out devils to make fish sandwiches. Jesus didn't walk on water to open blind eyes. If you are empowered with the Holy Spirit you can ask the Lord to help you in the time of need.

 

[Inquisitor]

I've always believed that our Lord JESUS CHRIST was the final Messenger and Prophet!

But the apostles declared the message and gave prophecy?