20% of US citizens have a family member killed by a gun.

[Billyd]

I thought this number was high until I remembered that my uncle shot himself in front of his youngest son.

https://dothaneagle.com/lifestyles/health-med-fit/1-in-5-american-adults-say-they-have-relative-killed-by-a-gun/article_3db8f515-af4a-5d99-922d-87372b5b11e3.html?utm_source=dothaneagle.com&utm_campaign=/newsletter-templates/health&utm_medium=PostUp&lctg=4497233&tn_email_eh1=17819ab4674f2cd3bce883af0ae884923b4d052b

The above article provides some interesting stats on gun safety practices.

 

[Magenta]

I thought this number was high until I remembered that my uncle shot himself in front of his youngest son.

With Deepest Sympathy

 

[Billyd]

With Deepest Sympathy

Thank you. It happened forty years ago. He was a very troubled man. His son recovered and is now a pastor.

 

[JohnDB]

Interesting considering that I have always lived in a home with a loaded gun and my family always keeps loaded guns around.
Even my in-laws have loaded guns in the home at all times. Most are locked up but there's at least one loaded and unlocked at all times. My grandfathers and one uncle have all been shot at in war. (They all came home intact)

Some distant relatives have been law enforcement. (Of course they carry guns) A few more distant in TN engaged in the sale and distribution of recreational drugs. (Before drugs it was moonshine)

I know a fellow classmate that was accidentally shot by another one when hunting.

"Red and you're dead" is the safety motto.

We don't play with guns. They are a tool and not a toy.

Don't put the muzzle towards anything that you definitely don't want a hole in.

Those who live by the gun, die by the gun.

I know....it's hard to remember these rules for the Darwin award winners.

 

[Billyd]

Interesting considering that I have always lived in a home with a loaded gun and my family always keeps loaded guns around.
Even my in-laws have loaded guns in the home at all times. Most are locked up but there's at least one loaded and unlocked at all times. My grandfathers and one uncle have all been shot at in war. (They all came home intact)

Some distant relatives have been law enforcement. (Of course they carry guns) A few more distant in TN engaged in the sale and distribution of recreational drugs. (Before drugs it was moonshine)

I know a fellow classmate that was accidentally shot by another one when hunting.

"Red and you're dead" is the safety motto.

We don't play with guns. They are a tool and not a toy.

Don't put the muzzle towards anything that you definitely don't want a hole in.

Those who live by the gun, die by the gun.

I know....it's hard to remember these rules for the Darwin award winners.

I grew up with guns in my house. Every door had a loaded gun over it. All my friends lived under the same conditions.

Things began to change when my children started bringing their friends over. Most of their friends came from families without any idea of how to safely handle the guns, and were always wanting my children to teach them. I unloaded most of my guns, and put trigger locks on them.

When my grand children came along, their friends were always talking about who they wanted to get rid of. I moved my guns to safes anchored to the floor. I put my loaded handguns in a quick access safes.

I'll be honest with you. I wouldn't put a slingshot in the hands of most of the children and young adults that I know today.

I have a 150 yard shooting lane behind my house. We don't use it very often because ammo is expensive, and sometimes hard to get.

 

[ZNP]

I thought this number was high until I remembered that my uncle shot himself in front of his youngest son.

https://dothaneagle.com/lifestyles/health-med-fit/1-in-5-american-adults-say-they-have-relative-killed-by-a-gun/article_3db8f515-af4a-5d99-922d-87372b5b11e3.html?utm_source=dothaneagle.com&utm_campaign=/newsletter-templates/health&utm_medium=PostUp&lctg=4497233&tn_email_eh1=17819ab4674f2cd3bce883af0ae884923b4d052b

The above article provides some interesting stats on gun safety practices.

I do not know anyone in my family or my wife's family killed by a gun and we have a number of veterans in our families.

 

[Eli1]

Second mendment.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

Anyone who has taken a course in research should tell you that stats and studies often reflect their sponsorship. For instance, in the College of Agriculture, if the chemical company Monsanto funded a study that a professor was hired to work on, he would both teach and come up with a biased conclusion.

When one of the major gun confiscation corporations funds a study, it will provide them with all the ammunition that want to deceive the public into taking away their weapons without too many shots fired. This is an information war. The shots fired might be a C👁️‍🗨️A operative, or an unstable, immoral person they wind up and then amplify the focus on. Their solution is always, "We will outlaw your weapons for your own safety."

I'm a stickler for safety, but not at the expense of giving up my first aid kit and placing my health in the hands of my enemies.

 

[Nehemiah6]

I thought this number was high

It is high. 66 million people killed with guns? Since the Civil War or during Biden's regime?
That is some Leftist propaganda to grab all the guns and render everyone defenseless.

 

[maxwel]

I thought this number was high until I remembered that my uncle shot himself in front of his youngest son.

https://dothaneagle.com/lifestyles/health-med-fit/1-in-5-american-adults-say-they-have-relative-killed-by-a-gun/article_3db8f515-af4a-5d99-922d-87372b5b11e3.html?utm_source=dothaneagle.com&utm_campaign=/newsletter-templates/health&utm_medium=PostUp&lctg=4497233&tn_email_eh1=17819ab4674f2cd3bce883af0ae884923b4d052b

I haven't seen any information on how terms in the study were defined, or how sample groups were determined... but much of the study is just intrinsically suspicious.


1. If words like "family" or "relative" aren't defined, we literally don't even know what we're talking about. it could be great great grandparents, or 5th cousins... we have no idea how broad this is.

2. If the word "killed" isn't defined, we also don't know what we're talking about. It could be suicides, accidents, gang violence in Tijuana, or even war on foreign soil... we just have no idea.

3. If we don't have temporal parameters (specific lengths of time) then we could be talking about gun violence across many generations, or even hundreds of years. We simply have no idea what they measured.
(I'm sure every family has had a gun death, somewhere, if you go back through enough generations.)

4. Finally, this statistic itself is just a ridiculous thing to measure, as it comes with built-in room for enormous error and data inflation.
How?
Well, if one person in a large family dies by a gun, then EVERY MEMBER OF THE FAMILY can be an ADDITIONAL and INDIVIDUAL STATISTIC. One death in an extended family of 20 people... that gives us 20 people who's family members died by gun violence.... so one death could give us 20 data points.
One death in an extended family of 20, could give 20 respondents all claiming to have family members killed in gun violence.
It's a ridiculous kind of statistic to measure.
It's a virtually meaningless statistic... probably chosen because it's so vague and easy to manipulate.



No one wants to see tragedy.
But nebulous statistics with unknown methodologies and unknown definitions of terms just don't mean anything at all.
It's meaningless.



God Bless.
Hope you all have a great week.

.

 

[ZNP]

It is high. 66 million people killed with guns? Since the Civil War or during Biden's regime?
That is some Leftist propaganda to grab all the guns and render everyone defenseless.

Not necessarily. If you go as far back as the civil war it is quite believable. Every family in the US was touched by that war.

 

[ZNP]

I haven't seen any information on how terms in the study were defined, or how sample groups were determined... but much of the study is just intrinsically suspicious.


1. If words like "family" or "relative" aren't defined, we literally don't even know what we're talking about. it could be great great grandparents, or 5th cousins... we have no idea how broad this is.

2. If the word "killed" isn't defined, we also don't know what we're talking about. It could be suicides, accidents, gang violence in Tijuana, or even war on foreign soil... we just have no idea.

3. If we don't have temporal parameters (specific lengths of time) then we could be talking about gun violence across many generations, or even hundreds of years. We simply have no idea what they measured.
(I'm sure every family has had a gun death, somewhere, if you go back through enough generations.)

4. Finally, this statistic itself is just a ridiculous thing to measure, as it comes with built-in room for enormous error and data inflation.
How?
Well, if one person in a large family dies by a gun, then EVERY MEMBER OF THE FAMILY can be an ADDITIONAL and INDIVIDUAL STATISTIC. One death in an extended family of 20 people... that gives us 20 people who's family members died by gun violence.... so one death could give us 20 data points.
One death in an extended family of 20, could give 20 respondents all claiming to have family members killed in gun violence.
It's a ridiculous kind of statistic to measure.
It's a virtually meaningless statistic... probably chosen because it's so vague and easy to manipulate.



No one wants to see tragedy.
But nebulous statistics with unknown methodologies and unknown definitions of terms just don't mean anything at all.
It's meaningless.



God Bless.
Hope you all have a great week.

.

Another study shows that there is only six degrees of separation from every single person killed by a gun in the US and Kevin Bacon.

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

I don't live and die by statistics anymore. Remember when all the statistics said that Hillary Clinton would win the 2016 Presidential election in the double digits?

I learned from that that I shouldn't just accept statistics blindly, that it can be used as propaganda to try to sway public opinion.

❧

 

[Nehemiah6]

Not necessarily. If you go as far back as the civil war it is quite believable. Every family in the US was touched by that war.

Yes but is that what this is about?

 

[ButterflyJones]

Thank God,no one on either side of my family, maternal relatives or paternal, meets that 20%, or 1 in 5 number.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

I thought this number was high until I remembered that my uncle shot himself in front of his youngest son.

https://dothaneagle.com/lifestyles/health-med-fit/1-in-5-american-adults-say-they-have-relative-killed-by-a-gun/article_3db8f515-af4a-5d99-922d-87372b5b11e3.html?utm_source=dothaneagle.com&utm_campaign=/newsletter-templates/health&utm_medium=PostUp&lctg=4497233&tn_email_eh1=17819ab4674f2cd3bce883af0ae884923b4d052b

The above article provides some interesting stats on gun safety practices.

When we think about it, we could come up with a study that includes farming accidents, fishing, swimming pool, poisoning, automotive, or anything else. What is the intent of the writer of the gun study?

 

[ZNP]

When we think about it, we could come up with a study that includes farming accidents, fishing, swimming pool, poisoning, automotive, or anything else. What is the intent of the writer of the gun study?

Perhaps they want to remind us of how many died during WWI and WWII?

 

[JohnDB]

I think that it's time for people to learn to manufacture bullets for their ammunition needs.
A quiet little mandate came out and now most all ammunition is designed to destroy the barrels of the firearms they are used in. Some by means of the inclusion of steel in the lead/copper formulation and some by silica.

What happens is that the barrel is slowly eroded by the ammunition. However....you can get new barrels for new guns...you can't get receivers though. However older guns will be destroyed by new ammunition....so if you have a firearm from the 40's or 60's or even 80's....do not shoot new ammunition. Make your own for these firearms.

 

[Billyd]

I didn't believe the conclusion either. After looking back at three generations my family history, I found three non war related deaths from gunshot wounds.

As for the right to bear arms. Everyone has that right, but everyone who exercises that right, also has the responsibility to ensure that his arms don't fall into the hands of those who have no business even touching a firearm.

 

[ZNP]

I think that it's time for people to learn to manufacture bullets for their ammunition needs.
A quiet little mandate came out and now most all ammunition is designed to destroy the barrels of the firearms they are used in. Some by means of the inclusion of steel in the lead/copper formulation and some by silica.

What happens is that the barrel is slowly eroded by the ammunition. However....you can get new barrels for new guns...you can't get receivers though. However older guns will be destroyed by new ammunition....so if you have a firearm from the 40's or 60's or even 80's....do not shoot new ammunition. Make your own for these firearms.

yes, step 1 to collect your brass, clean and reuse. Obviously you will need to make more and cannot trust the internet to work during the worst of the crisis, so you will also need your own copper mine. Smelting copper is no big deal, been done for thousands of years. However, as things get hot with the Antichrist coming after you make sure your copper mine is well defended with anti aircraft guns, heat seeking missiles and a simple iron dome system set up to defend against missiles and drones. It goes without saying you will need some very sophisticated radar to see these tiny drones and missiles designed to evade earlier versions of radar.

Also make sure your compound, in addition to a copper mine and smelter, you will also need a lead mine. Try to make sure the two are closely linked so that your air defense system will work for both.

In addition to this you will need a good supply of fresh water and food. Now make sure this compound has a very secure perimeter and perhaps a thousand able bodied warriors to defend against a frontal assault.

Also make sure you have a good supply of iodine pills as the Antichrist might just decide the best strategy is to use tactical nukes.