Zionism among the Evangelicals is contradicted by Scripture
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And I feel the same about you. I do, I have always appreciated your POV. Too many responses to too many people and you get more confused than a termite in a yo-yo. I'm sorry, so back to the point again. We were at Judges. But the map shows that the land still has never been fully possessed. So can you refresh me on your POV ?
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tell me you are american without telling me you're american. hamburger hagee religion right there. im not being arrogant, i simply place the jews at the same category as everyone else. they need Jesus, not judaism. with all this zionist garbage you are just encouraging the jews to stay in their idolatry and rejection of the messiah.
israel is trying to pass a law that bans the gospel from being preached, but dont worry, all the low IQ american christians will still continue giving billions to them, some idiot even donated a red heifer cow to them so they can resume their Christ offending animal sacrifices. america truly is the source of all garbage theology in the world today, you name the trash, its from the united states.
israel is trying to pass a law that bans the gospel from being preached, but dont worry, all the low IQ american christians will still continue giving billions to them, some idiot even donated a red heifer cow to them so they can resume their Christ offending animal sacrifices. america truly is the source of all garbage theology in the world today, you name the trash, its from the united states.
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I'm not American, wasn't born here, may not stay if it continues down the road it's going.
All kinds of men/women I personally think are false teachers, I'm still careful of what I say about them.
No, not in the least. I have a Jewish man on my FB page that became a Christian because we met on a site where I told him the Gospel. He became my friend on FB and then shocked me when he told me he and his wife had become Christians.
When you look up the word Zionist it says something similar to the following
"someone who belongs to or supports a political movement that had as its original aim the creation of a country for Jewish people".
Now thats a political movement, and I can argue purely from a political why the land belongs to the Jews, or a Biblical reason. I'd say the Bible trumps the political but I can argue either way.
No, some in Israel are trying to pass it, and Netanyahu is fighting against it. And America isn't that far from doing the same.
"I will bless those who bless you,
And I will curse him who curses you;
And in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.”
I don't see where that stopped. I don't see where that was taken back. I guess I'm too low IQ to figure that out.
Apparently they never read the Bible, you won't find this there.
Yes, clearly every other country is living according to Christs commands and America is the only one that isn't.
All kinds of men/women I personally think are false teachers, I'm still careful of what I say about them.
No, not in the least. I have a Jewish man on my FB page that became a Christian because we met on a site where I told him the Gospel. He became my friend on FB and then shocked me when he told me he and his wife had become Christians.
When you look up the word Zionist it says something similar to the following
"someone who belongs to or supports a political movement that had as its original aim the creation of a country for Jewish people".
Now thats a political movement, and I can argue purely from a political why the land belongs to the Jews, or a Biblical reason. I'd say the Bible trumps the political but I can argue either way.
No, some in Israel are trying to pass it, and Netanyahu is fighting against it. And America isn't that far from doing the same.
"I will bless those who bless you,
And I will curse him who curses you;
And in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.”
I don't see where that stopped. I don't see where that was taken back. I guess I'm too low IQ to figure that out.
Apparently they never read the Bible, you won't find this there.
Yes, clearly every other country is living according to Christs commands and America is the only one that isn't.
That is correct. Every Jew should have believed on the Lord Jesus Christ. Instead there was only "a believing remnant". Which is really quite surprising, given the fact that the Jews had absolutely every reason to believe on their Messiah and King.
Even Pilate asked Jesus if He was the King of the Jews, and Christ acknowledged that before Pilate. I do not believe that the superscription which Pilate posted on the cross was in mockery. That is why it was in Hebrew, Latin, and Greek: "THIS IS JESUS OF NAZARETH, THE KING OF THE JEWS" . It was the Jewish religious leaders who mocked. But the repentant malefactor on the cross beside Christ believed this with his whole heart.
Even Pilate asked Jesus if He was the King of the Jews, and Christ acknowledged that before Pilate. I do not believe that the superscription which Pilate posted on the cross was in mockery. That is why it was in Hebrew, Latin, and Greek: "THIS IS JESUS OF NAZARETH, THE KING OF THE JEWS" . It was the Jewish religious leaders who mocked. But the repentant malefactor on the cross beside Christ believed this with his whole heart.
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Yes, but "a remnant of the earth" is not what Paul was speaking about. I say then, Hath God cast away his people? [the Jews] God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin...Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace. (Rom 11:1,5)
The context makes it clear as to who this remnant is.
The context makes it clear as to who this remnant is.
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The ignorance will grow.. as the Harvest draws nigh.
The Preacher that pulls out a verse from the Old Testament to suit his Tithe request.. but tells you we are not under the Law of Moses.. is scratching ears and misusing the Scripture for gains. Those that think it is their duty to aid the Jewish people in rebellion.. are misled.
Anyhow… We must respect the Old wine… for it was fulfilling our Salvation.. but we that drink of the New Wine… partake in the… Law of Faith.. we that believe the Messiah’s Testimony should not be partaking in the cut off branches attempt to obtain what they perceive as their birth right!
Everything comes to pass in due season.. the quest and desire of the cut off branch merely brings about the end of the world…
GOD is to be worshipped in spirit and truth..
Stand firm against the darkness.
GOD wins and the futile attempt of man to rule and obtain immortality through the tree of knowledge of good and evil continues….. please friends… beware and refute the serpent!
Be in line to eat of the Tree of life… through our Lord’s Testament. Believe unto your last breath.
We simply are in the meantime as we abide.. we will witness the rebellion but must not partake.
The Preacher that pulls out a verse from the Old Testament to suit his Tithe request.. but tells you we are not under the Law of Moses.. is scratching ears and misusing the Scripture for gains. Those that think it is their duty to aid the Jewish people in rebellion.. are misled.
Anyhow… We must respect the Old wine… for it was fulfilling our Salvation.. but we that drink of the New Wine… partake in the… Law of Faith.. we that believe the Messiah’s Testimony should not be partaking in the cut off branches attempt to obtain what they perceive as their birth right!
Everything comes to pass in due season.. the quest and desire of the cut off branch merely brings about the end of the world…
GOD is to be worshipped in spirit and truth..
Stand firm against the darkness.
GOD wins and the futile attempt of man to rule and obtain immortality through the tree of knowledge of good and evil continues….. please friends… beware and refute the serpent!
Be in line to eat of the Tree of life… through our Lord’s Testament. Believe unto your last breath.
We simply are in the meantime as we abide.. we will witness the rebellion but must not partake.
Everything we have belongs to the Lord. We support the restaurants, the movie theaters, sports, vacations. Of all the places we should be putting our money, it should be in the work of the Lord. 10% of what you have is nothing for God to ask, He owns it all OT or NT.
Not sure what you mean here, can you explain please?
The Bible says they can be grafted in again and that we should not boast about our position.
Not sure what you mean here, can you explain please?
The Bible says they can be grafted in again and that we should not boast about our position.
C. 1. Scofield understood this clearly. Dispensationally speaking, there can be no biblically prophesied event in between the founding of the Church and the Rapture. Citing Matthew 4: 17b, "Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand," Scofield wrote: "'At hand' is never a positive affirmation that the person or thing said to be 'at hand' will immediately appear, but only that no known or predicted event must intervene."
In Walvoord's book, The Rapture Question (1979), "No Intervening Events," in a chapter called "The Imminency of the·Rapture," Walvoord wrote: "The hope of the return of Christ to take the saints to heaven is presented in John 14 as an imminent hope. There is no teaching of any intervening event. The prospect of being taken to heaven at the coming of Christ is not qualified by description of any signs or prerequisite events.,,
13 This is the heart of the formal theology of pre-tribulational, premillennial dispensationalism: Scofield you know as the name behind your Scofield Reference Bible. (SRB) Walvoord , was from 1952-1986 President of Dallas Theological Seminary . (DTS) The largest dispensational seminary in the world, lest anyone accuse me of picking on the midgets of dispensationalism. The REASON you believe in the imminency of rapture is based, whether you know it or not on the teaching quoted. I'll repeat the similar lines from each:
Scofield: will immediately appear, but only that no known or predicted event must intervene. Walvoord: . There is no teaching of any intervening event. The prospect of being taken to heaven at the coming of Christ is not qualified by description of any signs or prerequisite events. Nearly identical statements from the two biggest voices of DF from the 20th century. This is the short version of the 'Parenthetical Church Age' doctrine . This teaches that the church was unforeseen in the Prophets . Yeah so what , the rapture is really close , every body who really cares knows this.. We getting to it. Tyler asked : How so? Do you think Israel being reformed as a nation is a coincidence? He refers to the modern state of Israel founded in the Spring of 1948. Lots of folks would agree , this is fulfillment of prophecy and it is often used as a proof text in support of DF Dispensational Futurist eschatology. Noticed a problem ?
To a man every published DF author prior to WWII spoke with great assurance the church would - be gone before Israel would return . 1948 came and went and no rapture. We didnt get to float up in the sky, but we did get something . Specifically an intervening event of some magnitude. If this event is prophetic fulfillment, a couple of ugly heads pop up. 1. EVERY teacher who claimed he learned from the Holy Spirit that the rapture could come any moment, was not mistaken but fundamentally in error. The Holy Spirit was not taken by surprise and had known this fact of history thousands of years BEFORE it took place. 2. If imminency is true it obviously was NOT true in 1947 ,or anytime prior. Whats fun here is that many of you are already pointing to this or that current event as fulfilling Bible prophecy. Usually something to do with moral decline and or 'One World Government' All the while the basis for your expectation is pushed ever closer to the Memory Hole. So ,as in the OP , most of you have quietly and unwittingly traded any foundation of imminency , for the quick hallelujahs of CNN headlines. ' Were so excited things are getting bad fast...' None of you can say , with certainty there are no more 'bible prophecies ' to come before rapture. But you have ,with certainty, rejected the 'no intervening events ' doctrine
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In Walvoord's book, The Rapture Question (1979), "No Intervening Events," in a chapter called "The Imminency of the·Rapture," Walvoord wrote: "The hope of the return of Christ to take the saints to heaven is presented in John 14 as an imminent hope. There is no teaching of any intervening event. The prospect of being taken to heaven at the coming of Christ is not qualified by description of any signs or prerequisite events.,,
13 This is the heart of the formal theology of pre-tribulational, premillennial dispensationalism: Scofield you know as the name behind your Scofield Reference Bible. (SRB) Walvoord , was from 1952-1986 President of Dallas Theological Seminary . (DTS) The largest dispensational seminary in the world, lest anyone accuse me of picking on the midgets of dispensationalism. The REASON you believe in the imminency of rapture is based, whether you know it or not on the teaching quoted. I'll repeat the similar lines from each:
Scofield: will immediately appear, but only that no known or predicted event must intervene. Walvoord: . There is no teaching of any intervening event. The prospect of being taken to heaven at the coming of Christ is not qualified by description of any signs or prerequisite events. Nearly identical statements from the two biggest voices of DF from the 20th century. This is the short version of the 'Parenthetical Church Age' doctrine . This teaches that the church was unforeseen in the Prophets . Yeah so what , the rapture is really close , every body who really cares knows this.. We getting to it. Tyler asked : How so? Do you think Israel being reformed as a nation is a coincidence? He refers to the modern state of Israel founded in the Spring of 1948. Lots of folks would agree , this is fulfillment of prophecy and it is often used as a proof text in support of DF Dispensational Futurist eschatology. Noticed a problem ?
To a man every published DF author prior to WWII spoke with great assurance the church would - be gone before Israel would return . 1948 came and went and no rapture. We didnt get to float up in the sky, but we did get something . Specifically an intervening event of some magnitude. If this event is prophetic fulfillment, a couple of ugly heads pop up. 1. EVERY teacher who claimed he learned from the Holy Spirit that the rapture could come any moment, was not mistaken but fundamentally in error. The Holy Spirit was not taken by surprise and had known this fact of history thousands of years BEFORE it took place. 2. If imminency is true it obviously was NOT true in 1947 ,or anytime prior. Whats fun here is that many of you are already pointing to this or that current event as fulfilling Bible prophecy. Usually something to do with moral decline and or 'One World Government' All the while the basis for your expectation is pushed ever closer to the Memory Hole. So ,as in the OP , most of you have quietly and unwittingly traded any foundation of imminency , for the quick hallelujahs of CNN headlines. ' Were so excited things are getting bad fast...' None of you can say , with certainty there are no more 'bible prophecies ' to come before rapture. But you have ,with certainty, rejected the 'no intervening events ' doctrine
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On the contrary, it certainly is a fulfillment of Biblical prophecy. The "captivity of the Nation" and "7 more times" judgements are over.
http://watchmanbiblestudy.com/BibleStudies/HIStoryOurFuture/Ezekiels430Days.html
Another thing you fail to address: the "you" here isn't "us" the Church that much is clear. It is the Nation Israel, the ethnic sons of the HOUSE OF JACOB.
Luke 13:35
“See! Your house is left to you desolate; and assuredly, I say to you, you shall not see Me until the time comes when you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the LORD!’
Matt 23:39
“for I say to you, you shall see Me no more till you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the LORD!’
http://watchmanbiblestudy.com/BibleStudies/HIStoryOurFuture/Ezekiels430Days.html
Another thing you fail to address: the "you" here isn't "us" the Church that much is clear. It is the Nation Israel, the ethnic sons of the HOUSE OF JACOB.
Luke 13:35
“See! Your house is left to you desolate; and assuredly, I say to you, you shall not see Me until the time comes when you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the LORD!’
Matt 23:39
“for I say to you, you shall see Me no more till you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the LORD!’
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A couple quotes from the Word.
Gen 17:9 And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations.
Gen 17:10 This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.
Gen 17:11 And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.
Gen 17:12 And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed.
Gen 17:13 He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.
Gen 17:14 And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.
Gen 18:18 Seeing that Abraham shall surely become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him?
Gen 18:19 For I know him, that he will command his children and his household after him, and they shall keep the way of the LORD, to do justice and judgment; that the LORD may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him.
Lev 26:40 If they shall confess their iniquity, and the iniquity of their fathers, with their trespass which they trespassed against me, and that also they have walked contrary unto me;
Lev 26:41 And that I also have walked contrary unto them, and have brought them into the land of their enemies; if then their uncircumcised hearts be humbled, and they then accept of the punishment of their iniquity:
Lev 26:42 Then will I remember my covenant with Jacob, and also my covenant with Isaac, and also my covenant with Abraham will I remember; and I will remember the land.
Deu 7:12 Wherefore it shall come to pass, if ye hearken to these judgments, and keep, and do them, that the LORD thy God shall keep unto thee the covenant and the mercy which he sware unto thy fathers
Gen 17:9 And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations.
Gen 17:10 This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.
Gen 17:11 And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.
Gen 17:12 And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed.
Gen 17:13 He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.
Gen 17:14 And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.
Gen 18:18 Seeing that Abraham shall surely become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him?
Gen 18:19 For I know him, that he will command his children and his household after him, and they shall keep the way of the LORD, to do justice and judgment; that the LORD may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him.
Lev 26:40 If they shall confess their iniquity, and the iniquity of their fathers, with their trespass which they trespassed against me, and that also they have walked contrary unto me;
Lev 26:41 And that I also have walked contrary unto them, and have brought them into the land of their enemies; if then their uncircumcised hearts be humbled, and they then accept of the punishment of their iniquity:
Lev 26:42 Then will I remember my covenant with Jacob, and also my covenant with Isaac, and also my covenant with Abraham will I remember; and I will remember the land.
Deu 7:12 Wherefore it shall come to pass, if ye hearken to these judgments, and keep, and do them, that the LORD thy God shall keep unto thee the covenant and the mercy which he sware unto thy fathers