Some clarity needed.

[Paran]

John 3:6

6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit.

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You are the spirit being. Your live in your earth suit.

Your earth suit will die. "the body is dead because of sin" and you'll get to use it, maybe till you are 70-80, in general.
They will put your dead earth suit in a box and bury it, or they will burn it and put the ashes somewhere.
The real you You wont be there.

And that real you...the spirit being..has to be this, if you want to go to heaven

= Jesus said...>"YOU must be born again".

 

[Paran]

People who have been taught that you can lose your salvation, believe that they are in charge of keeping themselves saved.

That's Legalism, and it denies that Jesus is the Savior.

That type of thinking.... that theology is Cross Denying.

Also, Salvation is Jesus on the Cross = 2000 yrs ago.
Is that you doing it?

Jesus is Salvation, and He is Eternal Life. So, when Jesus said that """"if you believe in Him, He gives you eternal life, and you shall never perish, then you shall never perish""""".. (Can't lose your Salvation)

Why... because Salvation is Jesus and when you are born again, you are spiritually joined as "one with God" in Christ".

You didn't cause that ......God did that for you, as the "new birth".. = "New Creation in Christ"". = Born Again.
You can't end being born, its already happened.... .... And God's spiritual birth = that God causes and supplies and maintains, is not in your hands, its in His SPIRIT.

Philippians 1:6

 

[Evmur]

The Bible clearly warns of apostacy. So we accept what is written. The scriptures speak of security in Christ and of apostacy. It seems a paradox, but it is written therefore so it is. Im not going to pretend to know better than what God has seen fit to be printed for us.

Judas is the archetypal apostate

... never saved

 

[Fundaamental]

How?

ok read what I quoted in post 14 and please have a think about it then answer how a person could promote blasphemy of the holy spirit if they don't believe what is being suggested, and then go on to say you can still forfeit salvation.

Because why, because salvation is the second birth where a persons soul is born of the holy spirit.
The simple logic is how on earth can a person eject there own soul.

Re read it please and come back and answer.


Well my question was not based on pass threads, of eternal security. But the present. Here and now.

The simple ,Question was is John 3:16 100 percent saying a born again Christians soul is born of the Holy spirit.

I think this an important Question to ask, because if this means yes. Then this means you now have citizenship in Heaven.

I tell you that a man can not enter heaven unless hes born of the spirit.

I would have thought the soul after being born of the holy spirit could not expell its own soul from its body..

Unless people are thinking you have two spirits living in you after your born again. I think you would end up becoming double minded if that was the case.

I'm pretty certain that being born of the spirit means the soul has had a new birth.

How can a person eject there own soul from there body,

 

[Fundaamental]

Off course some people could want to take you to hell with them.

 

[ResidentAlien]

When a person is born again, they don't morph into a different being which can never return to its previous state. Notice the image below; this is what being born again looks like. Only one thing has changed: the person has put off the old self and put on Christ. The figure in the center is the same. In the eternal salvation view, the figure in the center would be changed into a new divine person; it would essentially be a "little Christ" incapable of ever returning to a life of sin. But we know this isn't the case because of all the warnings in scripture not to. In the diagram, all a person has to do is put off Christ, through temptation and a love of the world, and put the old self back on. We can see clearly our only hope is Christ; He's our life preserver.

 

[Fundaamental]

When a person is born again, they don't morph into a different being which can never return to its previous state. Notice the image below; this is what being born again looks like. Only one thing has changed: the person has put off the old self and put on Christ. The figure in the center is the same. In the eternal salvation view, the figure in the center would be changed into a new divine person; it would essentially be a "little Christ" incapable of ever returning to a life of sin. But we know this isn't the case because of all the warnings in scripture not to. In the diagram, all a person has to do is put off Christ, through temptation and a love of the world, and put the old self back on. We can see clearly our only hope is Christ; He's our life preserver.

why would you think being born again of the holy spirit turns you into a different being ?.

Could you answer that.

Being born again is where your soul undergoes a second birth full of the fruits of the spirit.

Could you also answer how you could eject your own soul.

I'm sorry but to resort to backing up your claims with pictures is just totally delusional.

Provide scripture to back up you don't turn into a different being.
Rather than posting silly. pictures.

Come on seriously.

 

[ResidentAlien]

why would you think being born again of the holy spirit turns you into a different being ?.

Could you answer that.

Being born again is where your soul undergoes a second birth full of the fruits of the spirit.

Could you also answer how you could eject your own soul.

I'm sorry but to resort to backing up your claims with pictures is just totally delusional.

Provide scripture to back up you don't turn into a different being.
Rather than posting silly. pictures.

Come on seriously.

If you knew the scriptures you'd see what I'm saying is the truth. I'm not going to spend a lot of time trying to educate someone who has already tuned me out.

 

[Fundaamental]

If you knew the scriptures you'd see what I'm saying is the truth. I'm not going to spend a lot of time trying to educate someone who has already tuned me out.

total deflection, which has now become a common occurrence between me and you.

You've tuned your self out.

You won't spend anytime with me that's fine, but please stop spending time promoting blasphemy of the holy spirit because once your born again, your soul has undergone a second birth, and there is no way to eject your soul.

And please start spending time understanding you can not eject your own soul.

Also bare in mind that just as important it is to accept Jesus Christ as your lord and saviour it's also as equally important to believe your soul undergoes a second birth. And neither can be rejected. It's like a horse and carriage you can't have one without the other.

 

[ResidentAlien]

total deflection, which has now become a common occurrence between me and you.

You've tuned your self out.

You won't spend anytime with me that's fine, but please stop spending time promoting blasphemy of the holy spirit because once your born again, your soul has undergone a second birth, and there is no way to eject your soul.

And please start spending time understanding you can not eject your own soul.

Also bare in mind that just as important it is to accept Jesus Christ as your lord and saviour it's also as equally important to believe your soul undergoes a second birth. And neither can be rejected. It's like a horse and carriage you can't have one without the other.

Isn't it odd that just a couple of days ago you weren't even sure if you were born again and now you're lecturing me on what it means to be born again. Quite a switch. What happened?

 

[Fundaamental]

Isn't it odd that just a couple of days ago you weren't even sure if you were born again and now you're lecturing me on what it means to be born again. Quite a switch. What happened?

deflection again.

I've know for a long time the soul undergoes a second birth.

I can see your now resorting to arousing suspicion against me to disregard what I'm saying.

 

[Fundaamental]

I spent some time with true believers who helped to restore my faith. That's what happened.

 

[Cameron143]

"For which of you, intending to build a tower, does not sit down first and count the cost, whether he has enough to finish it—lest, after he has laid the foundation, and is not able to finish, all who see it begin to mock him, saying: This man began to build and was not able to finish?" Luke 14:28-30

That just makes him a foolish man. And men can build houses; they can't save themselves.

 

[Cameron143]

Evidently eternal means forever when it applies to God but may come with a shelf life for humans.

 

[Beckie]

why would you think being born again of the holy spirit turns you into a different being ?.

Could you answer that.

Being born again is where your soul undergoes a second birth full of the fruits of the spirit.

Could you also answer how you could eject your own soul.

I'm sorry but to resort to backing up your claims with pictures is just totally delusional.

Provide scripture to back up you don't turn into a different being.
Rather than posting silly. pictures.

Come on seriously.

Wow almost 70 posts and you are rude. Lets list the fruit of the Spirit:

Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Your posts are lacking

 

[Fundaamental]

Wow almost 70 posts and you are rude. Lets list the fruit of the Spirit:

Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Your posts are lacking

your quite right about the fruits.
But I would have thought if you practice these fruits especially patience and understanding with wisdom.
You would try to win a brother over
Maybe you could see that was my intension.

Also I guess I could include forgiveness for a fruit, which also applies to forgiving yourself as well as forgiving others,

It is important to forgive yourself especially when it's easy to make silly mistakes.

If you see that silly is something where all guilty of and being delusional then you can forgive your self.

But really I don't want anyone to not accept Jesus fully

I've put forward a new understanding to stop the rot.
It's going to take time to sink in for some who are hardened in a belief they've only ever seen one way.

But if a new believer sees a message they can forfeit salvation. how are they going to truly believe to accept Christ.

We do have to practice what we preach. We do have to disaplin are flesh to have patience.

It's so easy to dive in and rot can become a disease in the mind when a person is stuck in an argument it never does have any reward between friends.

 

[Beckie]

your quite right about the fruits.
But I would have thought if you practice these fruits especially patience and understanding with wisdom.
You would try to win a brother over
Maybe you could see that was my intension.

Also I guess I could include forgiveness for a fruit, which also applies to forgiving yourself as well as forgiving others,

It is important to forgive yourself especially when it's easy to make silly mistakes.

If you see that silly is something where all guilty of and being delusional then you can forgive your self.

But really I don't want anyone to not accept Jesus fully

I've put forward a new understanding to stop the rot.
It's going to take time to sink in for some who are hardened in a belief they've only ever seen one way.

But if a new believer sees a message they can forfeit salvation. how are they going to truly believe to accept Christ.

We do have to practice what we preach. We do have to disaplin are flesh to have patience.

It's so easy to dive in and rot can become a disease in the mind when a person is stuck in an argument it never does have any reward between friends.

Now you are telling me i lack wisdom . While you add to the Scriptures. How about youi fully accepting Jesus and then lead by example.

 

[ButterflyJones]

Salvation is a free gift from Godby his grace. Choice to offer it.
It is his decision to save whom he will. It is not due to our earning it, working to be worthy as one of his chosen. It is strictly a free gift by God's choosing. Not of ourselves so we are unable to take any credit.

And, being it is God's free gift as an act of his grace, it is permanent. Irrevocable. Eternal. Everlasting.

So no, those whom God saves by his grace are eternally irrevocably saved.

 

[ButterflyJones]

Evidently eternal means forever when it applies to God but may come with a shelf life for humans.

Don't you just hate those expiration dates someone stamps on your soul?
When they stamp that date on it hurts a bit but then as it starts to heal there's that itch that ya just gotta scratch. Ya know? 👩‍💻🥴
😆

 

[Fundaamental]

Now you are telling me i lack wisdom . While you add to the Scriptures. How about youi fully accepting Jesus and then lead by example.

ok Becky but my 70 posts so far where to gain wisdom not to be rude. Befor I started to fully truly believe.

Also I'm having patience into trying to understand wisdom of others like yours right now befor answering lol.

Lol the only wisdom I can see you lack right now is my intentions,