Salvation by 'asking Jesus into your heart'?

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So, we know it's a simple phrase children can easily do, but, Scripturally, are
we telling them The Truth? Jesus Did Say "let the little children come to Me,"
so just wondering, IF:

A) Jer 17:9 "The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked:
who can know it?"

Should we "ask Jesus to come into that"?

B) Mat 15:19 "For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries,
fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies" (cp Mar 7:21-22)

Why would "God, The HOLY One, The LORD Jesus Christ, Want to come into such
evil and filth"?

C) Would it not be better, in order to receive God's Eternal Salvation (Be Saved),
by believing What God's Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided, Teaches About This
Important Matter Of
sinful man's Eternal Welfare? - ie:

Humble Christ, on the earth, To Israel, 12 apostles, Under The Law/covenants
/Prophecy:

1) Repent (change mind about sin/agree With God "it is Wrong!") or perish
(Luk 13:3,5 Mar 1:4 Luk_3:3, 24:47}
+
2) believe the gospel of the kingdom (Mat 4:23, 9:35, 24:14; Mar 1:14,15)
+
3) be baptized "For the remission of sin" (Mar 1:4 Luk_3:3, 7:29:30 24:47;
Act 2:38)
+
4) "show works meet for repentance" (Mat 3:8), because,
+
5) "to the twelve tribes of Israel," "faith Without works is dead"
(Jam 1:1, 2:17,26)
+
6) "keep the commandments" to "enter life" (Mat 19:17)
+
7) "one thing thou lackest...sell ALL/take up cross/follow Jesus"
(Mar 10:17-23):

earthly prophecy/LAW/covenants ( Previous dispensation of God... )

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ” (online)

Glorified Christ, From Heaven, To ONE apostle and His 'ONE Body,' Under Grace /
Mystery
( Current Dispensation of God ):

1) Repent (change mind about sin/agree With God "it is Wrong!"):

"Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God,​
and faith toward our LORD Jesus Christ." (Acts 20:21)​

2) believe (with ALL the heart, trust, place 100% faith in) The Gospel Of The
Grace Of God:


"For I delivered unto you first of all That Which I also received, how That​
Christ Died for our sins According To The Scriptures; And That He Was Buried,​
and that He Rose Again the third day According To The Scriptures"

3) "By Grace Are ye Saved Through faith..."

Plus Nothing!:

"...and That not of yourselves: It Is The Gift Of God: Not​
of works, lest any man should boast." (Ephesians 2:8-9)​

Plus Nothing, Confirmed!:

"Not by works of righteousness which we have done, But According To His Mercy
He Saved us, By The Washing of Regeneration, and Renewing of The Holy Ghost"​

Plus Nothing, Further Confirmed!:

"Who Hath Saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our​
works, but According To His Own Purpose And Grace, Which Was Given us​
In Christ Jesus before the world began" (2 Timothy 1:9)​

↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ The LORD ( With Grace And Mercy!!! ) Is All we need Today to Be Saved!! Amen!

Also Three Tenses Of God's Deliverance (Salvation) + good works for rewards:

Grace, Peace, And JOY In Christ, And In His Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided
(+ I and II).
+
RICH Blessings
 

Magenta

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#2
Deuteronomy 30:6~ The LORD your God will circumcise your hearts and the hearts of your descendants, so that you may love Him with all your heart and with all your soul, and live. :)
 
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Locoponydirtman

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It kind of wierd that these things habe infiltrated the church, turning salvation into a decision and leaving a person later when things get tough in doubt questioning their earnestness in their decision. But Peter didnt say rise up all of you and ask Jesus into you heart. He said and be baptised, washing away your sins.
Philip didnt tell the Ethiopean to ask Jesus into his heart, He baptized him.
There are some situation where the disciples witness to someone and they baptize their house hold. Not one word about asking anyone into a heart or even a sinner prayer.
Just the witness, the believing, and then the baptizing.
 

Johnraph

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I think that we should invite Christ into our hearts because He is the doctor who can heal our spiritual sickness and cleanse our corrupt hearts. Although I agree that the other methods you mentioned are valid, we should not overlook the importance of prayer and the Holy Spirit's presence in our hearts.
 
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Answering an “altar” car and asking Jesus to come into our heart deceive’s hundred of thousands if not millions in thinking that they are saved , but no that is not biblical.
 

Nehemiah6

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Answering an “altar” car and asking Jesus to come into our heart deceive’s hundred of thousands if not millions in thinking that they are saved , but no that is not biblical.
Is "Lord be merciful to me a sinner" biblical?

Only God knows who gets genuinely saved and who does not. Nobody else can make any claims. But it is God who tells sinners this (Rom 10:9-13): That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Better an altar call than no call at all. A lot of people scoff at this, but it is nobody's business except between the sinner and the Savior who said this: Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. (Rev 3:20). This is addressed to individual sinners. "Any man" means any man, woman, or child.

Are people required to "receive" Christ as both Lord and Savior into their hearts? Let the bible speak: He came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. (John 1:11-13)

At the same time, all those who hear the Gospel must also hear this: GOD NOW COMMANDETH ALL MEN EVERYWHERE TO REPENT (Acts 17:30) Obedience to the Gospel is a command. But it is also a gracious invitation (Rev 22:17): And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
 

Magenta

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Better an altar call than no call at all. A lot of people scoff at this, but it is nobody's business except
between the sinner and the Savior who said this: Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man
hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
(Rev 3:20).
This is addressed to individual sinners. "Any man" means any man, woman, or child.

Isaiah 45:22 + Revelation 3:20
:)
 

Magenta

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Are people required to "receive" Christ as both Lord and Savior into their hearts? Let the bible speak:
He came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he
power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:Which were born,
not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
(John 1:11-13)

John 1:11-13
:)
 

Magenta

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At the same time, all those who hear the Gospel must also hear this: GOD NOW COMMANDETH ALL MEN
EVERYWHERE TO REPENT
(Acts 17:30) Obedience to the Gospel is a command. But it is also a gracious
invitation (Rev 22:17): And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come.
And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

Revelation 22:16-17
:)
 

ResidentAlien

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We can't invite Jesus into our heart, that would be working for salvation; everyone should know that by now.
 

Paran

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Philip didnt tell the Ethiopean to ask Jesus into his heart, He baptized him.
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You twisted the verse to try to prove that water saves.

Water can't save a dog. Its just water., and God does not accept the city water supply to save you, or anyone.
Water is just water.

Philip told the Eunuch that "if you have believed with all your heart"....... so there is FAITH...........then, you may get baptized.
 
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Locoponydirtman

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You twisted the verse to try to prove that water saves.

Water can't save a dog. Its just water., and God does not accept the city water supply to save you, or anyone.
Water is just water.

Philip told the Eunuch that "if you have believed with all your heart"....... so there is FAITH...........then, you may get baptized.
Well to start with you didn't read what i wrote or you didn't comprehend it. Either way; disqualifies any interpretation you have to offer. My last statement in my post was as follows.
Just the witness, the believing, and then the baptizing.
What you did was automatically apply your personal dogma to my statement. Because you dont read or understand scripture for yourself. And you certainly didn't read what I wrote.
So even though i have no desire to address your eronious dogma ( for the sake of other readers) i suppose i will. Not me myself but scripture, and you can argue with scripture, not me.
Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you—not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience—through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
1 Peter 3:21 NASB1995
"Baptism now saves you". It don't get much more plain than that.
The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
1 Peter 3:21 KJV
"Baptism doth also now save us".
Simple enough?
Ok thank you please don't come again.
 
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Locoponydirtman

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Answering an “altar” car and asking Jesus to come into our heart deceive’s hundred of thousands if not millions in thinking that they are saved , but no that is not biblical.
Its worse because in many i it causes doubt. Because they question themselves in their sincerity. When salvation is a promise from God not a invitation from us.
 

Evmur

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#16
So, we know it's a simple phrase children can easily do, but, Scripturally, are
we telling them The Truth? Jesus Did Say "let the little children come to Me,"
so just wondering, IF:

A) Jer 17:9 "The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked:
who can know it?"

Should we "ask Jesus to come into that"?

B) Mat 15:19 "For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries,
fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies" (cp Mar 7:21-22)

Why would "God, The HOLY One, The LORD Jesus Christ, Want to come into such
evil and filth"?

C) Would it not be better, in order to receive God's Eternal Salvation (Be Saved),
by believing What God's Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided, Teaches About This
Important Matter Of
sinful man's Eternal Welfare? - ie:

Humble Christ, on the earth, To Israel, 12 apostles, Under The Law/covenants
/Prophecy:

1) Repent (change mind about sin/agree With God "it is Wrong!") or perish
(Luk 13:3,5 Mar 1:4 Luk_3:3, 24:47}
+
2) believe the gospel of the kingdom (Mat 4:23, 9:35, 24:14; Mar 1:14,15)
+
3) be baptized "For the remission of sin" (Mar 1:4 Luk_3:3, 7:29:30 24:47;
Act 2:38)
+
4) "show works meet for repentance" (Mat 3:8), because,
+
5) "to the twelve tribes of Israel," "faith Without works is dead"
(Jam 1:1, 2:17,26)
+
6) "keep the commandments" to "enter life" (Mat 19:17)
+
7) "one thing thou lackest...sell ALL/take up cross/follow Jesus"
(Mar 10:17-23):

earthly prophecy/LAW/covenants ( Previous dispensation of God... )

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ” (online)

Glorified Christ, From Heaven, To ONE apostle and His 'ONE Body,' Under Grace /
Mystery
( Current Dispensation of God ):

1) Repent (change mind about sin/agree With God "it is Wrong!"):

"Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God,​
and faith toward our LORD Jesus Christ." (Acts 20:21)​

2) believe (with ALL the heart, trust, place 100% faith in) The Gospel Of The
Grace Of God:


"For I delivered unto you first of all That Which I also received, how That​
Christ Died for our sins According To The Scriptures; And That He Was Buried,​
and that He Rose Again the third day According To The Scriptures"

3) "By Grace Are ye Saved Through faith..."

Plus Nothing!:

"...and That not of yourselves: It Is The Gift Of God: Not​
of works, lest any man should boast." (Ephesians 2:8-9)​

Plus Nothing, Confirmed!:

"Not by works of righteousness which we have done, But According To His Mercy
He Saved us, By The Washing of Regeneration, and Renewing of The Holy Ghost"​

Plus Nothing, Further Confirmed!:

"Who Hath Saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our​
works, but According To His Own Purpose And Grace, Which Was Given us​
In Christ Jesus before the world began" (2 Timothy 1:9)​

↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ The LORD ( With Grace And Mercy!!! ) Is All we need Today to Be Saved!! Amen!

Also Three Tenses Of God's Deliverance (Salvation) + good works for rewards:

Grace, Peace, And JOY In Christ, And In His Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided
(+ I and II).
+
RICH Blessings
Should we ask Jesus to come into our deceitful hearts? most assuredly sir we should, The heart here is our innermost person.

How else is Christ to clear out our deceitfulness ... will He be our Lord if our hearts remain deceitful?

When I came to consider this in being saved I thought "how foolish is this that Jesus the mighty Son of God could come into my heart?, try pouring the ocean into a teacup"

Never-the-less I could get no rest until I knelt and prayed for Jesus to come into my heart.

Oh what joy, I sprang to my feet clapping and jumping and shouting HOORAY, I made so much noise my neighbour woman came running to my door and asked "shall I call the police?" she was afraid something was happening. She was the first to receive my testimony .... "Jesus has come into my heart"
 

Evmur

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#17
Answering an “altar” car and asking Jesus to come into our heart deceive’s hundred of thousands if not millions in thinking that they are saved , but no that is not biblical.
it's not the receiving Christ into their hearts that is at fault but their being called to the front.
 

Evmur

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#19
Is "Lord be merciful to me a sinner" biblical?

Only God knows who gets genuinely saved and who does not. Nobody else can make any claims. But it is God who tells sinners this (Rom 10:9-13): That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Better an altar call than no call at all. A lot of people scoff at this, but it is nobody's business except between the sinner and the Savior who said this: Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. (Rev 3:20). This is addressed to individual sinners. "Any man" means any man, woman, or child.

Are people required to "receive" Christ as both Lord and Savior into their hearts? Let the bible speak: He came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. (John 1:11-13)

At the same time, all those who hear the Gospel must also hear this: GOD NOW COMMANDETH ALL MEN EVERYWHERE TO REPENT (Acts 17:30) Obedience to the Gospel is a command. But it is also a gracious invitation (Rev 22:17): And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
The altar call is a most deceptive work of the flesh [I am not denying that many do get saved] but so many get up as if overcoming the challenge, there is too much "I will" in it ... instead of being a repentance it becomes a work of righteousness, a declaration of "I am responding to God's call -look at me-

It's a cart before the horse thing, I say let God do the work of grace first then we can step forward to testify.
 
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The altar call is a most deceptive work of the flesh [I am not denying that many do get saved] but so many get up as if overcoming the challenge, there is too much "I will" in it ... instead of being a repentance it becomes a work of righteousness, a declaration of "I am responding to God's call -look at me-

It's a cart before the horse thing, I say let God do the work of grace first then we can step forward to testify.
Ya type of which you speak is in the Old Testament, God instructed that there shall be no hammer lifted up against the stones, for if you hew it with tools you will have defied it. Man’s effort and work defiles salvation work.