Man-made traditions/Man is represented by the number 6

[Blik]

An eye for an eye was a limiting law. Because man is prone to respond with greater offense than the one received, God had to limit their response.
If they would have been prone to forgive no law would be necessary.
The perfect law isn't the law of Moses which brings death but the law of love which brings life.

True the law as God gave it to Moses was incomplete. When Christ completed His work and the Holy Spirit was given to all who accepted Christ, the law was from the spirit of God, it was made perfect and complete. It is now spelled out for us, we know what we are to ask forgiveness for, we are told what it means to live with Christ within.

To understand the OT then and now, it requires an understanding of symbols. Circumcision was a symbol of freedom from death, dietary laws asking for clean food for the body was a symbol of only feeding our minds clean food, being true to only one spouse was symbolic of being true to God. When Christ came the spiritual essence of the law was given to us.

 

[Nehemiah6]

True the law as God gave it to Moses was incomplete.

You could say it was complete for the period during which it would be applicable. As you know, many things are spelled out in great detail, and even reiterated.

 

[posthuman]

παράδοσις = 666 =
π=80; α=1; ρ=100; ά=1; δ=4; ο=70; σ=200; ι=10; ς=200

There are quite a lot of ways to add up to this sum.

why did you choose this one?

 

[Cameron143]

How do you know this for a fact?

Because people are fallen.
The Bible is replete with stories of injustice. The book of Habakkuk deals with how to live in such times.

 

[Grace911]

When Moses brought the Judism laws to man, it brought justice into the world.

Moses transcribed what the LORD dictated. The Torah was from the LORD to all nations. Judaism did not exist at the time of the first five books/Torah were written. The error you have made is that Moses is the lawgiver and Judaism is the recipients.

James 4:12 There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?

Luk_9:56 For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them. And they went to another village.

Psa_119:174 I have longed for thy salvation, O LORD; and thy law is my delight.

Psa_1:2 But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.
Psa_40:8 I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart.
Psa_119:70 Their heart is as fat as grease; but I delight in thy law.
Psa_119:77 Let thy tender mercies come unto me, that I may live: for thy law is my delight.

Rom_7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

The will of God is that His children delight in His law. Some say we cannot keep all 613. Neither could Jesus. Some are for the Levites, some are for the farmer or herder, some are for for women only.

2Ti_2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Psa_119:142 Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and thy law is the truth.

Use scripture to prove your quote "When Moses brought the Judism laws to man, it brought justice into the world." This is a man-made teaching that cannot be proved from scripture. This is a paradosis (tradition) which in Greek gematria equals 666. This man-made teaching is to discourage you from actually "prove all things"

1Thesalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

Act 17:10 And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews.
Act 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

When was the New Testament collected and cannonized? When was the New Testament called "scriptures"?

Lev 23:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
Lev 23:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are MY feasts.

Exo_12:49 One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

Num_15:16 One law and one manner shall be for you, and for the stranger that sojourneth with you.

Num_15:29 Ye shall have one law for him that sinneth through ignorance, both for him that is born among the children of Israel, and for the stranger that sojourneth among them.

Rom 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

1Jn_2:17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.

What is the will of God? If you know this answer, please share.

Rev_14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

1Jn_5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

 

[CS1]

Traditions are not bad many are even praiseworthy and bring glory to God. The traditions that Jesus was speaking about in context to the "Pharisees were ones they made up to Contol people, and they did not even follow them that they placed on people Matthew 23:2-4 Jesus made it clear. And the whole chapter, for that matter.


2 “The teachers of religious law and the Pharisees are the official interpreters of the law of Moses.[a] 3 So practice and obey whatever they tell you, but don’t follow their example. For they don’t practice what they teach. 4 They crush people with unbearable religious demands and never lift a finger to ease the burden.

 

[Grace911]

There are quite a lot of ways to add up to this sum.

why did you choose this one?

Because it is the only one in the New Testament that fits man-made traditions. There are 13 verses in the New Testament that use both the word tradition(s) and G3862. I don't need to guess if it is the pope or Nero or something else outside of what the Bible says. Too many people are chasing rabbit trails that pull them away from Truth that saves and gives eternal life.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Jesus accused the Jews (Pharisees and Saducees) that their man-made traditions was making void the word of God.

Mark 7:9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.

How different is the Gentile/Christian from those Jews (even so today in Judaism) have added and taken away from the commandment of God?

Deuteronomy 12:32 What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.

Matthew 23:1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
Mathewt 23:2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
Matthew 23:3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

While "sitting in Moses' seat" the reader, Pharisees did not add or diminish from the reading. When the scroll was taken away, the reader and anyone else in the audience were allowed to comment (midrash).

G3862
παράδοσις = 666 =
π=80; α=1; ρ=100; ά=1; δ=4; ο=70; σ=200; ι=10; ς=200
paradosis
par-ad’-os-is
From G3860; transmission, that is, (concretely) a precept; specifically the Jewish traditionary law: - ordinance, tradition.

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LXX related word(s):​

1. H612 esur - in bondage
2. H5414 natan ni. - add, apply, appoint, ascribe, assign, etc.

Matthew 15:2,3,6;
Mark 7:3,5,8,9,13;
1 Corinthians 11:2;
Galatians 1:14;
Colossians 2:8;
2 Thessalonians 2:15; 3:6.

How many traditions does the Christian faith have that veers from the "scroll" (ie. scriptures)? Can you keep traditions that make void the word of God? The Gentiles were not required to learn everything in one day being read from Moses' seat, but would learn as they returned every Sabbath.

Act 13:42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
Act 13:43 Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.
Act 13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.
Act 13:45 But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy, and spake against those things which were spoken by Paul, contradicting and blaspheming.

Again, I ask, what man-made traditions we Christians have that makes void the word of God? Remember, if it is man-made tradition, it is paradosis/666.

1Thessalonians 2:13 For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.

No one can keep the law. If we could Christ would not need to die.

Anyone who says we can keep the law is putting a man made tradition. The law was a schoolmaster to lead us to Christ.

The jew missed the sign, because they thought they were ok. when they were not.

 

[Grace911]

Traditions are not bad many are even praiseworthy and bring glory to God. The traditions that Jesus was speaking about in context to the "Pharisees were ones they made up to Contol people, and they did not even follow them that they placed on people Matthew 23:2-4 Jesus made it clear. And the whole chapter, for that matter.


2 “The teachers of religious law and the Pharisees are the official interpreters of the law of Moses.[a] 3 So practice and obey whatever they tell you, but don’t follow their example. For they don’t practice what they teach. 4 They crush people with unbearable religious demands and never lift a finger to ease the burden.

Name the good traditions. If you live in America or Canada perhaps Thanksgiving, but this doesn't pertain to the whole world. Christmas and Easter are also more western and not the whole world. Sunday does not pertain to the whole world. Mother's Day, Father's Day, Birthday, Grandparent's Day, Nurses Day, Teacher's Day, Veterans Day, Memorial Day. But what is the tradition(s) that apply to the whole world. It is "man-made" and draws you away from the LORD/Yeshua (who are one and the same and they do not change). If you have a tradition that you are not saved if you don't speak in tongues, dress a certain way, are repented of your sins, but yet you keep the sins that keep your comfortable traditions, like forgetting the 7th day was made for man, then you are blinded to truth. How many traditions blind us from seeing that we are lost sheep in need of being found and brought back to the fold (12 tribes). You are taught that the Old Testament is of no longer usefull? That is a man-made tradition. Open your eyes and hear the LORD calling you back because He loves you and died and resurrected to bring you home.

 

[Cameron143]

Name the good traditions. If you live in America or Canada perhaps Thanksgiving, but this doesn't pertain to the whole world. Christmas and Easter are also more western and not the whole world. Sunday does not pertain to the whole world. Mother's Day, Father's Day, Birthday, Grandparent's Day, Nurses Day, Teacher's Day, Veterans Day, Memorial Day. But what is the tradition(s) that apply to the whole world. It is "man-made" and draws you away from the LORD/Yeshua (who are one and the same and they do not change). If you have a tradition that you are not saved if you don't speak in tongues, dress a certain way, are repented of your sins, but yet you keep the sins that keep your comfortable traditions, like forgetting the 7th day was made for man, then you are blinded to truth. How many traditions blind us from seeing that we are lost sheep in need of being found and brought back to the fold (12 tribes). You are taught that the Old Testament is of no longer usefull? That is a man-made tradition. Open your eyes and hear the LORD calling you back because He loves you and died and resurrected to bring you home.

Anything not sinful is lawful. The only requirement is that it be done as unto the Lord.
If your conscience disallows certain things then refrain. But don't pull others under your yoke.

 

[Grace911]

No one can keep the law. If we could Christ would not need to die.

Anyone who says we can keep the law is putting a man made tradition. The law was a schoolmaster to lead us to Christ.

The jew missed the sign, because they thought they were ok. when they were not.

Agree or Disagree

#1) Jesus is God of the Old Testament

#2) God divorced the House of Israel

#3) God has a law regarding divorce that the harlot wife cannot remarry the first husband and is bound by this law.

#4) Jesus as God, dies for His lost sheep of the House of Israel (millions or billions of Gentiles scattered around the world)

#5) Paul figured out the mystery and Paul's teachings are very misunderstood and twisted.

#6) Our fruit of our salvation is we desire to obey the commandments (of our husband) and that act alone proves we are His. It is the marriage ring we are to wear.

Exo_31:13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.

Eze_20:12 Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them.

Eze_20:20 And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I am the LORD your God.

 

[Grace911]

Anything not sinful is lawful. The only requirement is that it be done as unto the Lord.
If your conscience disallows certain things then refrain. But don't pull others under your yoke.

So do you feel a pull? I'm not the Holy Spirit, so I cannot pull you, but I can show you by scripture my understanding.

 

[Cameron143]

So do you feel a pull? I'm not the Holy Spirit, so I cannot pull you, but I can show you by scripture my understanding.

No pull whatsoever. I'm yoked up already to an easy yoke. But you are trying to put conditions on people that aren't required of them. How is that any different from the behavior of the Pharisees?

 

[Grace911]

True the law as God gave it to Moses was incomplete. When Christ completed His work and the Holy Spirit was given to all who accepted Christ, the law was from the spirit of God, it was made perfect and complete. It is now spelled out for us, we know what we are to ask forgiveness for, we are told what it means to live with Christ within.

To understand the OT then and now, it requires an understanding of symbols. Circumcision was a symbol of freedom from death, dietary laws asking for clean food for the body was a symbol of only feeding our minds clean food, being true to only one spouse was symbolic of being true to God. When Christ came the spiritual essence of the law was given to us.

Is there any law that is literal and that is not a symbol?

Exo_31:13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.
Eze_20:12 Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them.
Eze_20:20 And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I am the LORD your God.

Joh_10:30 I and my Father are one.
Joh_17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

Mal_3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
Joh_10:30 I and my Father are one.
Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Mat_15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Scattered Gentiles are to be gathered from around the world.

Mat_11:15 He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.
Mat_13:9 Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
Mat_13:43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
Mar_4:9 And he said unto them, He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.
Mar_4:23 If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.
Mar_7:16 If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.
Luk_8:8 And other fell on good ground, and sprang up, and bare fruit an hundredfold. And when he had said these things, he cried, He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.
Luk_14:35 It is neither fit for the land, nor yet for the dunghill; but men cast it out. He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

There are quite a lot of ways to add up to this sum.

why did you choose this one?

it matched the "search results" he was seeking after to provide proof of his research.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Name the good traditions. If you live in America or Canada perhaps Thanksgiving, but this doesn't pertain to the whole world. Christmas and Easter are also more western and not the whole world. Sunday does not pertain to the whole world. Mother's Day, Father's Day, Birthday, Grandparent's Day, Nurses Day, Teacher's Day, Veterans Day, Memorial Day. But what is the tradition(s) that apply to the whole world. It is "man-made" and draws you away from the LORD/Yeshua (who are one and the same and they do not change). If you have a tradition that you are not saved if you don't speak in tongues, dress a certain way, are repented of your sins, but yet you keep the sins that keep your comfortable traditions, like forgetting the 7th day was made for man, then you are blinded to truth. How many traditions blind us from seeing that we are lost sheep in need of being found and brought back to the fold (12 tribes). You are taught that the Old Testament is of no longer usefull? That is a man-made tradition. Open your eyes and hear the LORD calling you back because He loves you and died and resurrected to bring you home.

i will tell you two very horrible man made traditions:
[TULIP (Calvinism) vs Armini]
God created some people for Heaven and rest for Hell
^
those are the Traditions God is concerned about, not whether you decorate a tree for Christmas.

 

[Grace911]

No pull whatsoever. I'm yoked up already to an easy yoke. But you are trying to put conditions on people that aren't required of them. How is that any different from the behavior of the Pharisees?

Do you have laws of the land where you live? You are then yoked, are you not? If you drive and exceed the speed limit and are stopped and ticket and fine, are you still free to do as you believe is right? Who put these conditions on you? I'm not the po-po telling you that you broke the law, I'm just warning you that you can break the law, but their are consequences. It doesn't take away your citizenship, it is just a consequence.

Punishment for Disobedience
Lev 26:14 - 43

Lev 26:14 But if ye will not hearken unto me, and will not do all these commandments;
Lev 26:15 And if ye shall despise my statutes, or if your soul abhor my judgments, so that ye will not do all my commandments, but that ye break my covenant:
Lev 26:16 I also will do this unto you; I will even appoint over you terror, consumption, and the burning ague, that shall consume the eyes, and cause sorrow of heart: and ye shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it.

Mat_11:15 He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.
Mat_13:9 Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
Mat_13:43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
Mar_4:9 And he said unto them, He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.
Mar_4:23 If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.
Mar_7:16 If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.
Luk_8:8 And other fell on good ground, and sprang up, and bare fruit an hundredfold. And when he had said these things, he cried, He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.
Luk_14:35 It is neither fit for the land, nor yet for the dunghill; but men cast it out. He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Agree or Disagree

#1) Jesus is God of the Old Testament

#2) God divorced the House of Israel

#3) God has a law regarding divorce that the harlot wife cannot remarry the first husband and is bound by this law.

#4) Jesus as God, dies for His lost sheep of the House of Israel (millions or billions of Gentiles scattered around the world)

#5) Paul figured out the mystery and Paul's teachings are very misunderstood and twisted.

#6) Our fruit of our salvation is we desire to obey the commandments (of our husband) and that act alone proves we are His. It is the marriage ring we are to wear.

Exo_31:13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.

Eze_20:12 Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them.

Eze_20:20 And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I am the LORD your God.

romans 11:
25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own [f]opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And so all Israel will be [g]saved, as it is written:

“The Deliverer will come out of Zion,
And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
27 For this is My covenant with them,
When I take away their sins.”

28 Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. 29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.

God is not done with Israel..

Moses said cursed is the one who does not confirm and obey every word of this law.

Perfection is required my friend. If you have not kept the law completely. You have not kept the law. period.

James 2:10

For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.

Only one man has kept the law. and that is the man Christ Jesus

 

[Grace911]

posthuman said: There are quite a lot of ways to add up to this sum.
why did you choose this one?

it matched the "search results" he was seeking after to provide proof of his research.

I heard a youtuber mention that paradosis equaled 666. I then went to the bible and looked up Old Testament and New Testament word for tradition(s). None in the OT, but 13 in the NT. How do you prove your beliefs?

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

How do you prove your beliefs?

like a detective