"What must I do to be saved?"

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John 3:3, says except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. Does this mean that the old testament saints will not see heaven?
No. They will be resurrected. "Born from above." Also, they will be resurrected to earth, not heaven.

Your theology implies that Christ died on the cross, as an offer, to redeem all mankind to heaven, but in order to get to heaven, they have to accept that offer. How do those, from creation to the cross, get saved eternally? Scripture back up please.
They will be saved by faith, as all people will. But in the OT, people had to demonstrate their faith by keeping the law of Moses (Deut 6:25).
 

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"What must I do to be saved?"
This was the question posed by the Philippian Jailor after witnessing prison doors miraculously opened and prisoners miraculously set free from there bonds.

Jesus' death on the cross made possible the opening of spiritual prison doors and release from the bonds of sin for every man, women, and child ever born. The answer of Paul and Silas to the Philippian Jailor makes this abundantly clear...
"Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved" (Acts 16:31).

The Gospel of Salvation is clear, simple, and elementary. Stand firm and do not be swayed from the glorious truth of such great salvation bountiful and free!

Isaiah 55
1 Ho, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters, and he that hath no money; come ye, buy, and eat; yea, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price.
2 Wherefore do ye spend money for that which is not bread? and your labour for that which satisfieth not? hearken diligently unto me, and eat ye that which is good, and let your soul delight itself in fatness.
3 Incline your ear, and come unto me: hear, and your soul shall live; and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, even the sure mercies of David.

Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved.

"And he said unto them, go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned." (Mark 16:15-16). If we truly love God, then we will obey "Every word" that proceeds out of his mouth (Matthew 4:4). Baptism is one of those words. In order to be baptized, certain events must take place: You must give up a lifestyle where sin has dominion, (ruler ship) over you. Sin according to 1 John 3:4, Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression (breaking) of the law. You must be taught "The Word", before you can adhere to God's commandments (judgments\statues). These laws are found in the Holy Bible; beginning with Genesis and ending with Revelation. You must believe what the bible says and finally, you must confess that Jesus is Lord. Once this has been accomplished, you are qualified to be baptized in the name of Jesus.

A man asked Jesus this very question, "...What good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?", and Jesus replied, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. (Matthew 19:16-19). This was a direct answer to a direct question, which all of us will do well to take heed to.
 

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A man asked Jesus this very question, "...What good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?", and Jesus replied, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. (Matthew 19:16-19). This was a direct answer to a direct question, which all of us will do well to take heed to.
Amen! You had better "keep EVERY one of them," OR: you "will NOT enter into
life" = YES, "take heed":

"teaching them (you) to observe ALL things whatsoever I Have COMMANDED you"
(Mat 28:20)

1) Have you "SOLD All" yet? IF not, you "will NOT enter into life!"

Christ taught the Twelve "Be perfect, forsake ALL, sell what you have, take
up your cross, and follow Me." (Matthew_5:48, 16:24, 19:21; Mark_8:34; 10:21;
Luke_6:40, 9:23, 12:33, 14:33, 18:22)

2) Why, then, do you not Immediately OBEY this, so you can "enter into life"?

The Twelve had absolutely no problem at all! (Acts_2:44-45 and 4:32)

3) Who had a BIG Problem, Ananias and Sapphira (Acts 5:1-11), Correct?

So, now what do we do to "enter life"??? Disobey, and NOT "SELL ALL"??????????

Maybe This?:

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Of course, Most are not even interested?
 

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No. They will be resurrected. "Born from above." Also, they will be resurrected to earth, not heaven.


They will be saved by faith, as all people will. But in the OT, people had to demonstrate their faith by keeping the law of Moses (Deut 6:25).
2 Cor 3:6, Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament, not of the letter (Old law), but of the spirit, for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

Rom 10:3, For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness (by the law of works), have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

"resurrected to earth" and "born from above" is not worded, per say, in the KJV. Could you give me the scripture you have reference to?
 

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but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Jesus was addressing his disciples, telling them that if they would keep his commandments, they would enter into a good and abundant life, as they sojourn here on earth. If the "life" were to mean eternal life, then it would suggest that eternal life would be awarded for their good works, and that is a false doctrine.
 

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Amen! You had better "keep EVERY one of them," OR: you "will NOT enter into
life" = YES, "take heed":

"teaching them (you) to observe ALL things whatsoever I Have COMMANDED you"
(Mat 28:20)

1) Have you "SOLD All" yet? IF not, you "will NOT enter into life!"

Christ taught the Twelve "Be perfect, forsake ALL, sell what you have, take
up your cross, and follow Me." (Matthew_5:48, 16:24, 19:21; Mark_8:34; 10:21;
Luke_6:40, 9:23, 12:33, 14:33, 18:22)

2) Why, then, do you not Immediately OBEY this, so you can "enter into life"?

The Twelve had absolutely no problem at all! (Acts_2:44-45 and 4:32)

3) Who had a BIG Problem, Ananias and Sapphira (Acts 5:1-11), Correct?

So, now what do we do to "enter life"??? Disobey, and NOT "SELL ALL"??????????

Maybe This?:

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Of course, Most are not even interested?


I don't know if you know it or not, but you are teaching eternal life is accomplished by your good works, which is a false doctrine. The "life" under consideration is a good and abundant life that can be enjoyed, here on earth, if his born again children would follow his commandments.
 

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"What must I do to be saved?"
This was the question posed by the Philippian Jailor after witnessing prison doors miraculously opened and prisoners miraculously set free from there bonds.

Jesus' death on the cross made possible the opening of spiritual prison doors and release from the bonds of sin for every man, women, and child ever born. The answer of Paul and Silas to the Philippian Jailor makes this abundantly clear...
"Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved" (Acts 16:31).

The Gospel of Salvation is clear, simple, and elementary. Stand firm and do not be swayed from the glorious truth of such great salvation bountiful and free!

Isaiah 55
1 Ho, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters, and he that hath no money; come ye, buy, and eat; yea, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price.
2 Wherefore do ye spend money for that which is not bread? and your labour for that which satisfieth not? hearken diligently unto me, and eat ye that which is good, and let your soul delight itself in fatness.
3 Incline your ear, and come unto me: hear, and your soul shall live; and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, even the sure mercies of David.

Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved.

The question you have posted, "What must I (DO) to be saved", if the word "saved" is referencing eternally, in itself, would be teaching that eternal salvation can be accomplished by doing good works, which is a false doctrine.
 

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You must believe what the bible says and finally, you must confess that Jesus is Lord. Once this has been accomplished, you are qualified to be baptized in the name of Jesus.
Once this has been accomplished, you have been baptized in the Holy Spirit... and may later be baptized in water as a ritualistic remembrance and testimony.

A man asked Jesus this very question, "...What good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?", and Jesus replied, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. (Matthew 19:16-19). This was a direct answer to a direct question, which all of us will do well to take heed to.
And if we read these verses in context, we will see that this young man was seeking perfection by way of his own works...
Matthew 19:
20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

The commandments of Jesus toward NT believers are simple, brief, and not grievous...
Matthew 22:
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
 

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Amen! You had better "keep EVERY one of them," OR: you "will NOT enter into life"
...unless you plead the blood of Jesus. The gist of it is that no one can earn his way into Heaven or keep all the OT laws and commandments. Their purpose is to convict us of sin and convince us of our need for a Savior...

John 14:6
“Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”
 

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The question you have posted, "What must I (DO) to be saved", if the word "saved" is referencing eternally, in itself, would be teaching that eternal salvation can be accomplished by doing good works, which is a false doctrine.
Your above statement is what is false.

What we must (DO) is call upon the name of the Lord and place our faith upon the cleansing blood of Jesus. That is not a good work on the part of the seeker. That is an act of faith.
 
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2 Cor 3:6, Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament, not of the letter (Old law), but of the spirit, for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

Rom 10:3, For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness (by the law of works), have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
I'm not sure of your reason for posting those scripture.

"resurrected to earth" and "born from above" is not worded, per say, in the KJV. Could you give me the scripture you have reference to?
Matt 5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

The Greek for "born again" is gennaō anothen and it means "born from above," not "born again." Jesus is talking about resurrection, not the Christian new birth.

Are you KJVO, Forest?
 
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Jesus was addressing his disciples, telling them that if they would keep his commandments, they would enter into a good and abundant life, as they sojourn here on earth. If the "life" were to mean eternal life, then it would suggest that eternal life would be awarded for their good works, and that is a false doctrine.
I don't know if you know it or not, but you are teaching eternal life is accomplished by your good works, which is a false doctrine. The "life" under consideration is a good and abundant life that can be enjoyed, here on earth, if his born again children would follow his commandments.
The question you have posted, "What must I (DO) to be saved", if the word "saved" is referencing eternally, in itself, would be teaching that eternal salvation can be accomplished by doing good works, which is a false doctrine.
In all three of those situations, Jesus Christ is talking about everlasting life, or "life in the age."

In the OT, and before Pentecost, people had to demonstrate their faith by trying to keep the law of Moses. Since Pentecost, we are declared righteous by our faith in Jesus Christ, something God wants everyone to do (1 Tim 2:4), and something anyone can do.
 

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Your above statement is what is false.

What we must (DO) is call upon the name of the Lord and place our faith upon the cleansing blood of Jesus. That is not a good work on the part of the seeker. That is an act of faith.

Until a person has already been born again, he will never call upon the name of the Lord (1 Cor 2:14) God is a spirit, and we (born again) must worship him in spirit and in truth. The natural man does not understand the things of the Spirit, and thinks they are foolishness.

What you are promoting is, eternal salvation by works. Salvation=deliverance. The born again child of God is delivered many times, by his good works as he sojourns here on earth.

If you continue to ascribe all of the salvation scriptures to reference eternal salvation, they will teach you that eternal salvation is gained by doing good works, and that is a false doctrine.
 

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I'm not sure of your reason for posting those scripture.



Matt 5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

The Greek for "born again" is gennaō anothen and it means "born from above," not "born again." Jesus is talking about resurrection, not the Christian new birth.

Are you KJVO, Forest?

Yes, I study only from the KJV scriptures. Scripture proves scripture, without consulting the writings of other people's interpretation of them.

Matt 5:5, Jesus is addressing his disciples (students who believe)

Psalms 37:9, For evildoers shall be cut off: but those that wait upon the Lord shall inherit the earth

Luke 6:20, And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples, and said, blessed be ye poor: for yours is the kingdom of God.
 

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In all three of those situations, Jesus Christ is talking about everlasting life, or "life in the age."

In the OT, and before Pentecost, people had to demonstrate their faith by trying to keep the law of Moses. Since Pentecost, we are declared righteous by our faith in Jesus Christ, something God wants everyone to do (1 Tim 2:4), and something anyone can do.

All three of these situations, you are misinterpreting by applying them to eternal life, which will not harmonise with other scriptures.

1 Tim 2;4, Paul has instructed Timothy to remain in Ephesus to teach the members of the church, in which some have turned aside unto vain jangling (1 Tim 1:6)

The "all men" in 1 Tim 2:4, are the members of the church in Ephesus. The "all men" in 1 Tim 2:1 is "all men in authority" that the "all men of the church", might lead a quiet and peaceable life.

There is a deliverance =saved, here in time, when a born again child of God comes unto a knowledge of the truth. Rom 10:1-3, Paul is praying for those of Israel, (God's people), who have a "zeal of God", but not according to knowledge, who are ignorant of God's righteousness, and are going about to establish their own righteousness (by the law of works) and not submitting themselves unto the righteousness of God.
 
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The "all men" in 1 Tim 2:4, are the members of the church in Ephesus. The "all men" in 1 Tim 2:1 is "all men in authority" that the "all men of the church", might lead a quiet and peaceable life.
^^^ Calvinist mishandling of the scriptures. ^^^

God wants everyone to be saved, and anyone has the capacity to believe the gospel, which is why we are to preach it to them.
 

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Until a person has already been born again, he will never call upon the name of the Lord
Romans 10:13 makes it pretty clear which comes first.

Romans 10:13 “For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.”
 

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The question you have posted, "What must I (DO) to be saved", if the word "saved" is referencing eternally, in itself, would be teaching that eternal salvation can be accomplished by doing good works, which is a false doctrine.
The question posted is...What must I do to be saved? It is not asking.. What must God do that I might be saved?
 

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The question posted is...What must I do to be saved? It is not asking.. What must God do that I might be saved?
Yes, we all know that Jesus and His Father took care of that long ago. (y)
 

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Once this has been accomplished, you have been baptized in the Holy Spirit... and may later be baptized in water as a ritualistic remembrance and testimony.


And if we read these verses in context, we will see that this young man was seeking perfection by way of his own works...
Matthew 19:
20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

The commandments of Jesus toward NT believers are simple, brief, and not grievous...
Matthew 22:
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
Matthew 19: 20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet? Notice the young man says "All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?" The young man didn’t need to ask this question to Jesus, because he was already in a good place with the Lord. This is where the story gets interesting, because if you read the full story which we have to do, to get full understanding. We will see that the commandments Jesus mention wasn't the young man problem, it was something else.

21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me. 22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.

So Jesus says if thou be perfect, that means the young was really close to being perfect, but the young had great riches that he couldn't let go, and that goes with what Jesus says in Matthew (22:37) Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. (38) This is the first and great commandment. This was very hard for the young man to do. So let's recap the story a little, the young man kept the commandments from his youth up, all most perfect, except one thing Jesus ask him to do, and that's sell all his possession and come follow him. This is about the young man heart, he did right by keeping the law from his youth up and he was bless, but his heart toward the lord was not all the way in place.





Once this has been accomplished, you have been baptized in the Holy Spirit... and may later be baptized in water as a ritualistic remembrance and testimony.
"And it came to pass, that, while Apollo was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples, he said unto them, Have ye received the Holy ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, "We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.” And he said unto them, "unto what then were ye baptized?" And they said unto John's baptism. Then Paul said, “John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him who should come after him, that is, Jesus Christ.” When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. When Paul had laid hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied. And all the men were about twelve." (Acts 19:1-7).

Another important thing to understand concerning the Baptism brother and sisters. one must be submerge under water fully. Lets take a look in Act 8:35-39 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus. And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him. And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.