Does God forgive anything--ex: homosexuals?

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HealthAndHappiness

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Honestly, I was shocked, and we should be shocked as a society.
Nowadays, people try to shame us for not being more inclusive.
I'll try to lead them to Christ when there's opportunity, just like anyone else.
I just don't want them as a waiter or cook in the restaurants I (used to) eat in.
I don't want them around children as teachers, councilors, coaches, or ministers.
It's also a bad idea to have anyone of very poor moral character in our classes as students. One subject I taught was combat and fitness. I will teach young people how to defend against the psychopaths. I have turned away gang members and do not teach those who I wouldn't trust to fill in teaching a beginner's class. Advanced students help out with beginners when necessary. Only those of good character are allowed that responsibility.
 

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Not telling a child fire will hurt them is not love... Why are we Christians afraid to speak Gods Word. Not saying be mean i too have homosexual friends . We also accept Joe and Sally having sex with out marriage that is sin. Joe and Joe having sex is sin. To even suggests God loves them Joe and Sally or Joe and Joe just as they are is not loving it is being ashamed of the gospel. Would we say something like "it is ok for you to rob the old lady God loves you just as your are? "
 

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Nowadays, people try to shame us for not being more inclusive.
I'll try to lead them to Christ when there's opportunity, just like anyone else.
I just don't want them as a waiter or cook in the restaurants I (used to) eat in.
I don't want them around children as teachers, councilors, coaches, or ministers.
It's also a bad idea to have anyone of very poor moral character in our classes as students. One subject I taught was combat and fitness. I will teach young people how to defend against the psychopaths. I have turned away gang members and do not teach those who I wouldn't trust to fill in teaching a beginner's class. Advanced students help out with beginners when necessary. Only those of good character are allowed that responsibility.
I am a teacher of the martial arts too, and moral character is a foundational requirement for every student.
 

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Not telling a child fire will hurt them is not love... Why are we Christians afraid to speak Gods Word. Not saying be mean i too have homosexual friends . We also accept Joe and Sally having sex with out marriage that is sin. Joe and Joe having sex is sin. To even suggests God loves them Joe and Sally or Joe and Joe just as they are is not loving it is being ashamed of the gospel. Would we say something like "it is ok for you to rob the old lady God loves you just as your are? "
That's a good illustration.
It certainly doesn't do children and teens any good catering to the pop culture and media.
This topic never really enters my mind unless it comes up in this forum or the news.
However there is the bearded lady who now works in the deli at Kroger's. He dresses like Klinger from the old MASH reruns. I never buy deli products any more. But I digress.

There was a time I planned to beat the hell, or is it Hades (I guess it depends on the version lol), out of the neighborhood queer. Let's go with the KJV.
I was 14-16 years old when I learned that he got hold of little members of my family. I was looking for the proper weapon of choice and told my Mom. Bats are too big to swing in narrow doorways or a hall for instance. That was one time in my life that I regretted obeying my mother, rather than seeing justice. He was gone the next day or so and never located. I don't fault her, because I probably would have been imprisoned and she would have possibly been sued. However, I let that get to me for years.
 

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That's a good illustration.
It certainly doesn't do children and teens any good catering to the pop culture and media.
This topic never really enters my mind unless it comes up in this forum or the news.
However there is the bearded lady who now works in the deli at Kroger's. He dresses like Klinger from the old MASH reruns. I never buy deli products any more. But I digress.

There was a time I planned to beat the hell, or is it Hades (I guess it depends on the version lol), out of the neighborhood queer. Let's go with the KJV.
I was 14-16 years old when I learned that he got hold of little members of my family. I was looking for the proper weapon of choice and told my Mom. Bats are too big to swing in narrow doorways or a hall for instance. That was one time in my life that I regretted obeying my mother, rather than seeing justice. He was gone the next day or so and never located. I don't fault her, because I probably would have been imprisoned and she would have possibly been sued. However, I let that get to me for years.
I appreciate your candor!
 

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I am a teacher of the martial arts too, and moral character is a foundational requirement for every student.
It's good to hear from a brother in Christ who also teaches martial arts!
When we invest in our students the training that imparts much power, there must be Biblical ethics instilled. David and his mighty men of valor were empowered by God to gain major miraculous victories against all odds.
I like how David gave God credit for his training too. I was thinking about that last night.
 

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It's good to hear from a brother in Christ who also teaches martial arts!
When we invest in our students the training that imparts much power, there must be Biblical ethics instilled. David and his mighty men of valor were empowered by God to gain major miraculous victories against all odds.
I like how David gave God credit for his training too. I was thinking about that last night.
Because I teach an Okinawan-based karate, I need to translate Christ into that tradition. Many students do not know this, but when students reference Christianity, I am happy to elaborate :).

When I bow to my sensei's (past and present), I am ultimately bowing to my Lord and Savior, Jesus!
 

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Because I teach an Okinawan-based karate, I need to translate Christ into that tradition. Many students do not know this, but when students reference Christianity, I am happy to elaborate :).

When I bow to my sensei's (past and present), I am ultimately bowing to my Lord and Savior, Jesus!
I started with western boxing from my Dad who was a contender in the US Army. He would take song requests and could use the speed bag as a musical instrument. I wish I had recordings of that. He signed me up for a hard style of Kung Fu. Unfortunately, they integrated their own religion of Taoism. When I got saved I gave that up. Then I asked the Lord for a martial art teacher who would not integrate any Asian religion into his art. God kindly brought me together with my next teacher who specifically was an answer to that request. It was in college where I found my new Sensei. He was a 7th Dan BB in Shotokan, a top BB instructor and friend of the founder of Modern Arnis. It's been a remarkable honor I am grateful for opportunities to have lawfully used that experience. I found it very practical and have been very blessed. It sounds like you are too as are your students.
 

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I started with western boxing from my Dad who was a contender in the US Army. He would take song requests and could use the speed bag as a musical instrument. I wish I had recordings of that. He signed me up for a hard style of Kung Fu. Unfortunately, they integrated their own religion of Taoism. When I got saved I gave that up. Then I asked the Lord for a martial art teacher who would not integrate any Asian religion into his art. God kindly brought me together with my next teacher who specifically was an answer to that request. It was in college where I found my new Sensei. He was a 7th Dan BB in Shotokan, a top BB instructor and friend of the founder of Modern Arnis. It's been a remarkable honor I am grateful for opportunities to have lawfully used that experience. I found it very practical and have been very blessed. It sounds like you are too as are your students.
Shotokan is excellent. My style, Shorinryu, has ties to that tradition. Christ is number One. That does not conflict with my training, and it's actually a symbiotic relationship.
 

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There are some things i do compromise ...Before i moved Safeway grocery store supports abortion it was the only (NOT exaggerating ) grocery store in town. So i shopped there supported them with my $$$ . I do not shop Amazon there are other options. I see my funds as God given and giving them over to known evil just doesn't seem right. These are just examples I truly believe we Christians should pay attention to what we support .
 

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Shotokan is excellent. My style, Shorinryu, has ties to that tradition. Christ is number One. That does not conflict with my training, and it's actually a symbiotic relationship.
Amen
From what I've seen of Shorinryu, the styles are extremely similar and very practical.

I hope to meet King David and his mighty men some day to talk shop. I begged God to reveal to me techniques that those men used in battles. I have not taken up the sling since I was a kid denting up Mom's siding on the house. I find the close range weapons the most interesting since then. Do you have preferences.
 

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Amen
From what I've seen of Shorinryu, the styles are extremely similar and very practical.

I hope to meet King David and his mighty men some day to talk shop. I begged God to reveal to me techniques that those men used in battles. I have not taken up the sling since I was a kid denting up Mom's siding on the house. I find the close range weapons the most interesting since then. Do you have preferences.
Getting to send the Priest out with their trumpets? :rolleyes:
 

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Getting to send the Priest out with their trumpets? :rolleyes:
My thoughts on my previous post went to Psalm 144:1

"Blessed be the LORD my strength, which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight:"

I hope to meet King David and his mighty men some day to talk shop. I begged God to reveal to me techniques that those men used in battles. I have not taken up the sling since I was a kid denting up Mom's siding on the house. I find the close range weapons the most interesting since then. Do you have preferences.
I asked the Lord what David meant by that statement. I take it very literally.
The LORD is given credit for David's strength, and elsewhere as his buckler and shield (defensive weapons) or protection.
Here David notes that He teaches his hands to war and fingers to fight. How does any man hold and use his weapons of war?
Answer: His hands and fingers.
The Lord possibly imparted to David knowledge of weaponry through great teachers of combat arts.
In my own experience I noted many times things come to mind in rest or in practice that turn out to be quite effective.
With dedicated practice, He helps His disciples achieve their goals according to His Word.
God's protection provided through circumstances, through the believers skills granted through actual training. He empowers that which was gained in practice of special knowledge revealed and people. It's hard to explain in a short post.
 

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We took a little rabbit trail, but once you see the following short vids and especially the interview with ALex and Alex near the end of the news page, you'll understand that self defense skills against angry mobs of sodomites is not a bad idea. Owen Schroyer used to go out to the LBTQ.AIDS events to calmly ask questions until he was continually sexually assaulted by militant sodomites. I don't believe that all homosexuals behave this way. The problem is that it is much more common in that demographic than it is in the christian communities. Who gets demonized as threats to the establishment and falsely accused of domestic trrsts?

The following isn't graphic like Owens, but it shows an example of Romans chapter 1.

Exhibit #1 Pedos Protest Legislation Forbidding the Cutting off of Children's Privates

Exhibit #2 Judges 18
 

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Amen
From what I've seen of Shorinryu, the styles are extremely similar and very practical.

I hope to meet King David and his mighty men some day to talk shop. I begged God to reveal to me techniques that those men used in battles. I have not taken up the sling since I was a kid denting up Mom's siding on the house. I find the close range weapons the most interesting since then. Do you have preferences.
Absolutely--I am an open-handed specialist, and I've especially conditioned the inside of my hands for grappling/slapping techniques (can go to jail using a fist with my credentials).

I play around with nunchucks and a staff, too, but prefer to spend my time on kata and kumite.

Thank God I've never had to use my training in combat...
 

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Absolutely--I am an open-handed specialist, and I've especially conditioned the inside of my hands for grappling/slapping techniques (can go to jail using a fist with my credentials).

I play around with nunchucks and a staff, too, but prefer to spend my time on kata and kumite.

Thank God I've never had to use my training in combat...
Those are weapons that you have with you 24/7/ 365.
IMHO those are the ones worth investing the most time with. I was just thinking and off the top of my head had around half a dozen knife attacks/ threats against me. Then there were various other weapons attacks. I've always had empty hands available for responsive use. It's a miracle...many that I'm here communicating with you. I've found that Chin Na type techniques and Filipino disarms have been very useful.
Could I have used other weapons in those circumstances?
Certainly, but I learned that rarely do you expect threats like those and are prepared for them unless on a battlefield as a soldier.
Otherwise, you'd probably be somewhere else. Lol

That said, I really enjoy the short double sticks/ batons most.

The uninvited "visitor" this month had a sharp knurled grip stabbing weapon on him and a large mattock he was using to hack his way into my door after midnight.
Visions of an old scary movie.
😄
I was Not hysterical though.
 

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Those are weapons that you have with you 24/7/ 365.
IMHO those are the ones worth investing the most time with. I was just thinking and off the top of my head had around half a dozen knife attacks/ threats against me. Then there were various other weapons attacks. I've always had empty hands available for responsive use. It's a miracle...many that I'm here communicating with you. I've found that Chin Na type techniques and Filipino disarms have been very useful.
Could I have used other weapons in those circumstances?
Certainly, but I learned that rarely do you expect threats like those and are prepared for them unless on a battlefield as a soldier.
Otherwise, you'd probably be somewhere else. Lol

That said, I really enjoy the short double sticks/ batons most.

The uninvited "visitor" this month had a sharp knurled grip stabbing weapon on him and a large mattock he was using to hack his way into my door after midnight.
Visions of an old scary movie.
😄
I was Not hysterical though.
Well, against a gun of course we are at a disadvantage. But, for those who have knives or other non-firearm weapons, they had better know what they are doing. We practice defensive tactics against those measures in our dojo, and everything is at our disposal to defend ourselves and/or our loved ones. Yes, you may draw blood, but the outcome for evil perpetrators may be much more severe.

You referenced David and his mighty men's fighting tactics. Those are still readily available to us through the power of the Holy Spirit. I turn everything over to God to fight the battles for me, and I am a willing participant!

I prefer and seek peace for sure, but I will fight evil to the grave if necessary.
 

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Those are weapons that you have with you 24/7/ 365.
IMHO those are the ones worth investing the most time with. I was just thinking and off the top of my head had around half a dozen knife attacks/ threats against me. Then there were various other weapons attacks. I've always had empty hands available for responsive use. It's a miracle...many that I'm here communicating with you. I've found that Chin Na type techniques and Filipino disarms have been very useful.
Could I have used other weapons in those circumstances?
Certainly, but I learned that rarely do you expect threats like those and are prepared for them unless on a battlefield as a soldier.
Otherwise, you'd probably be somewhere else. Lol

That said, I really enjoy the short double sticks/ batons most.

The uninvited "visitor" this month had a sharp knurled grip stabbing weapon on him and a large mattock he was using to hack his way into my door after midnight.
Visions of an old scary movie.
😄
I was Not hysterical though.
Here's an article I published a couple of years ago on my Shorinryu experience...

Toyota and Shorinryu Karate Kata | LinkedIn
 

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