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Yeah I guess brother I remember having this discussion before with you and it was fruitless
theres just one doctrine of baptism it is done in Jesus name for remission of sins that’s baptism Jesus gives the Holy Ghost the church has a doctrine of baptism for remission of sins that’s just basic stuff
Byways brother you have the last word I remember before we did a circle and it went no where
theres just one doctrine of baptism it is done in Jesus name for remission of sins that’s baptism Jesus gives the Holy Ghost the church has a doctrine of baptism for remission of sins that’s just basic stuff
Byways brother you have the last word I remember before we did a circle and it went no where
I think our radar get jumbled when we read "baptism" because we made it a religious word. It simply means immersion. If one is, for example, baptized in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit he or she may be immersed in the authority of all three; perhaps by instruction by example (Father), instruction by the scriptures (He speaks to us by Son), or the instruction of the Spirit (wisdom and revelation). Afterall, just getting someone wet in another's name has no power without the Spirit. Given the state of the church, water dunking has been shown to be ineffectual to bring people to maturity.
I was quoting Jesus
"Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey all that I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”
The disciples knew how to immerse others in the name of the Father, Son, and Spirit because Jesus immersed them in the same. This was a 1 to 1 correlation. Nothing was ammiss between the disciples of Jesus being discipled and immersed by Jesus and the manner in which they discipled and immersed new believers.
"Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey all that I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”
The disciples knew how to immerse others in the name of the Father, Son, and Spirit because Jesus immersed them in the same. This was a 1 to 1 correlation. Nothing was ammiss between the disciples of Jesus being discipled and immersed by Jesus and the manner in which they discipled and immersed new believers.
Have to agree, after God Helped me get out of my 'baby' Confusion, my further
research shows that His ONE Baptism 'For us Today' Absolutely Vanquishes
All the 14 confusing reasons/theories/problems/bragging (about numbers
of baptisms)/traditions of all of the water rituals/ceremonies expounded
in a weak/Severely Divided church:
"God Is not the author of Confusion..." (1Co 14:33)
Still praying for unity. Amen.
research shows that His ONE Baptism 'For us Today' Absolutely Vanquishes
All the 14 confusing reasons/theories/problems/bragging (about numbers
of baptisms)/traditions of all of the water rituals/ceremonies expounded
in a weak/Severely Divided church:
"God Is not the author of Confusion..." (1Co 14:33)
Still praying for unity. Amen.
i thrink people try to see things not there is what jumbled things
you didn’t answer my question what is the name of the father the son and the holy spirit ?
“For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.”
Colossians 2:9
what name did they baotize in is what I’m asking you the father isn’t a name the son isn’t a name the Holy Ghost isn’t a name what name did hey all get baptized into ? The one name ?
“Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.”
Acts 4:12
a you won’t find anyone ever baptizing anyone in the name of “the father the son and the Holy Ghost “ anywhere in scripture but the one name is always jesus, the name of the one lord , one body , one spirit one baptism one faith
“When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.”
Acts 19:5
The one name given by whicch we must be saved the name of the lord the name above all names
“Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.”
Philippians 2:9-11 KJV
notice the only name there is the name of Jesus ? That is the name of the spirit it’s Jesus spirit
The name of the father
“And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.”
Galatians 4:6 KJV
“Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?”
John 14:6-9
“I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.”
John 17:4-6 KJV
Father I have manifested thy name on earth said Jesus
Amy point is The only name in the new testsment that is there to be baptized into is Jesus name he is the totality of God manifest before us the father son and Holy Ghost
There’s just one baptism there isn’t just one there talking about here there’s just one every reference is about the one baptism it’s meant to teach us the significance of what some say is just a ritual and is insignificant lol thisnis about the one baptism
“Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?”
Romans 6:3
This is about the same one baptism into the one name of the one father son and Holy Ghost
“For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
Galatians 3:26-29
Same one baptism into the one name of the one lord in the one faith of we don’t accept that there’s just one baptism we could never know what it means for us
“There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.”
Ephesians 4:4-6
Do you see how only Jesus can achieve and be all of that in one ? His body his spirit the hope of eternal life him our lord and God and father and family and friend and of course his name the one name under heaven given for salvstion of men
“But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.”
Acts 8:12 KJV
the one baptism is all about Jesus and th e New Testament is filled with understanding of it’s significance to and for us why we do it what it means e power in it for faith ect
but if we’ve decided something else it’s hard to hear it if we built it brick by brick it makes sense there’s one baptism is the first brick one name one lord one faith one God and further of all and is in us all through Christ
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
and so they did that
“Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus. And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest.
And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.
And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.”
Acts 8:35-39 KJV
a and amazing things happened because they just heard and believed and acted in faith because they believed Gods word and promise in Christs name
“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, ( why we get baptized )
and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. ( Jesus promise in the gospel to his disciples )
For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call. ( all creatures of the world )
Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.”
Acts 2:38-39, 41 KJV
hearing and believing leads to acting in good faith based on his words of promise
you didn’t answer my question what is the name of the father the son and the holy spirit ?
“For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.”
Colossians 2:9
what name did they baotize in is what I’m asking you the father isn’t a name the son isn’t a name the Holy Ghost isn’t a name what name did hey all get baptized into ? The one name ?
“Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.”
Acts 4:12
a you won’t find anyone ever baptizing anyone in the name of “the father the son and the Holy Ghost “ anywhere in scripture but the one name is always jesus, the name of the one lord , one body , one spirit one baptism one faith
“When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.”
Acts 19:5
The one name given by whicch we must be saved the name of the lord the name above all names
“Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.”
Philippians 2:9-11 KJV
notice the only name there is the name of Jesus ? That is the name of the spirit it’s Jesus spirit
The name of the father
“And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.”
Galatians 4:6 KJV
“Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?”
John 14:6-9
“I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.”
John 17:4-6 KJV
Father I have manifested thy name on earth said Jesus
Amy point is The only name in the new testsment that is there to be baptized into is Jesus name he is the totality of God manifest before us the father son and Holy Ghost
There’s just one baptism there isn’t just one there talking about here there’s just one every reference is about the one baptism it’s meant to teach us the significance of what some say is just a ritual and is insignificant lol thisnis about the one baptism
“Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?”
Romans 6:3
This is about the same one baptism into the one name of the one father son and Holy Ghost
“For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
Galatians 3:26-29
Same one baptism into the one name of the one lord in the one faith of we don’t accept that there’s just one baptism we could never know what it means for us
“There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.”
Ephesians 4:4-6
Do you see how only Jesus can achieve and be all of that in one ? His body his spirit the hope of eternal life him our lord and God and father and family and friend and of course his name the one name under heaven given for salvstion of men
“But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.”
Acts 8:12 KJV
the one baptism is all about Jesus and th e New Testament is filled with understanding of it’s significance to and for us why we do it what it means e power in it for faith ect
but if we’ve decided something else it’s hard to hear it if we built it brick by brick it makes sense there’s one baptism is the first brick one name one lord one faith one God and further of all and is in us all through Christ
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
and so they did that
“Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus. And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest.
And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.
And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.”
Acts 8:35-39 KJV
a and amazing things happened because they just heard and believed and acted in faith because they believed Gods word and promise in Christs name
“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, ( why we get baptized )
and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. ( Jesus promise in the gospel to his disciples )
For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call. ( all creatures of the world )
Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.”
Acts 2:38-39, 41 KJV
hearing and believing leads to acting in good faith based on his words of promise
Baptizo/baptisma = immersion, not necessarily in water.
For example, you may baptize someone in the name of another you would necessarily immerse them in their authority and way of life.
If you wanted to clean, you would baptize a sponge in a cleaning solution.
All very common in Greek society. When they heard "baptizo" they thought "immersion" in the thing that followed.
For example, you may baptize someone in the name of another you would necessarily immerse them in their authority and way of life.
If you wanted to clean, you would baptize a sponge in a cleaning solution.
All very common in Greek society. When they heard "baptizo" they thought "immersion" in the thing that followed.
Oh, I am sorry to hear that, and apologize for not finishing this for you sooner...
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I hope you stay, this
There is one good thing about being in a place where false teaching abounds you learn a lot.
First you learn why the doctrine is wrong by really taking that deep dive into God's word and then you are able to defend the truth of scripture.
It is not easy, but well worth the final outcome of being blessed by God by taking a stand where He takes a stand.
There is one good thing about being in a place where false teaching abounds you learn a lot.
First you learn why the doctrine is wrong by really taking that deep dive into God's word and then you are able to defend the truth of scripture.
It is not easy, but well worth the final outcome of being blessed by God by taking a stand where He takes a stand.
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I went back years on this website one night and read old posts by former members, sad how the people who really stood in the Grace Doctrine were over run by those of the Reformed mindset, as well as those who preach salvation can be lost.
Like @Snacks I have so appreciated how you have been a true Grace teacher. I hope you stay.
Like @Snacks I have so appreciated how you have been a true Grace teacher. I hope you stay.
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Thank you, @HeIsHere. You know what brings me confidence and empowerment regarding God’s grace? Jesus Christ, in whom all things were created, rode a donkey in triumph rather than a Clydesdale. And just prior to taking His last breath, Jesus said, forgive them Father, for they know not what they do. That’s grace, pure and simple. Keep up the great work, dear sister.
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Regarding water baptism.
In the early churches, believers would be water baptised straight after conversion. So you see in scripture, belief and water baptism in the same verse.
Then there is also the fact that water baptism symbolises salvation.. dieing and rising.. so can look like salvation because it is based on similar terms.
But the key thing is , there are a whole load of verses that have salvation without water baptism. So the comparison needs to put in with what is most said in the Word. For eg almost the entire book of John has no water baptism with salvation.
Baptism is regards to what had already happened to a believer
In the early churches, believers would be water baptised straight after conversion. So you see in scripture, belief and water baptism in the same verse.
Then there is also the fact that water baptism symbolises salvation.. dieing and rising.. so can look like salvation because it is based on similar terms.
But the key thing is , there are a whole load of verses that have salvation without water baptism. So the comparison needs to put in with what is most said in the Word. For eg almost the entire book of John has no water baptism with salvation.
Baptism is regards to what had already happened to a believer
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I've decided to stay after members here have helped me to realise what a part of me all ready felt but wasn't sure, that I am saved I am born again and I will never lose my salvation and I will go to heaven.
I hope you stay to.
hopefully it's not that bad but
I guess every new believer has doubts about there salvation.
I can't imagine tho for true believers who fully understand the gospel would have doubts about there faith.
I think for those who do we need to take it with a grain of salt. Knowing they haven't fully spiritually grown or there's a missing link in there understanding or perhaps there sadly brain washed by somebody including the liar of all liars.
I hope you stay to.
hopefully it's not that bad but
I guess every new believer has doubts about there salvation.
I can't imagine tho for true believers who fully understand the gospel would have doubts about there faith.
I think for those who do we need to take it with a grain of salt. Knowing they haven't fully spiritually grown or there's a missing link in there understanding or perhaps there sadly brain washed by somebody including the liar of all liars.
I can see that, we don't fully know a person circumstances, until they open up about what is causing a hindrance on there belief.
It could be something sensitive hurting there feelings.
Not everybody goes through what somebody else might be.
Forgiveness is key i think.
I've suffered in that department.
But a big part of me has grown in that department.
It could be something sensitive hurting there feelings.
Not everybody goes through what somebody else might be.
Forgiveness is key i think.
I've suffered in that department.
But a big part of me has grown in that department.
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