Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked

[rogerg]

That verse is to believers.

Yes, to believers (the saved) but in their entirety - those saved, those being saved and those yet to be saved: the elect. They, and they alone, are whom God moves within to make His will come to fruition.

 

[rogerg]

Are you suggesting that you do not sin any more?

Depends are what you define as sin. The sin that denies salvation to anyone is the sin of trusting/seeking in one's works for salvation, and not fully trusting in the efficacy of Christ's perfect offering. That someone ceases from sinning that sin, is only because they have been saved by Christ and were taken from under the law of sin and death (works), and placed instead under the law of the Spirit life in Christ Jesus(grace), by which, they rest fully and completely in Christ, and therefore, they sin not. According to that definition, yes, myself, and all of the saved, sin not - but it is by Christ, not of ourselves.

One's works for their salvation = sin.

[Rom 8:1-2 KJV]
1 [There is] therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Christ's faith = law of faith:

[Rom 3:27 KJV]
27 Where [is] boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

 

[ResidentAlien]

"Talk is cheap, like daydreams and other useless activities. Fear God instead." Ecclesiastes 5:7 (NLT)

 

[Magenta]

The hamster running on the wheel in your head must be training for the Olympics. Mine has a cane.
There's alot in what you said and certainly some insight into their motivation to sin can be gleaned
from the temptation and its appeal. But my hamster is on break so if you were looking for clarity,
even Mem would be a better source than me currently. But those are intriguing thoughts.

I am always inclined to bring it back to the fact that Adam and Eve were of the natural world. Of Eve it is said:

When the woman saw that the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eyes, and that it was desirable for
obtaining wisdom, she took the fruit and ate it. She also gave some to her husband who was with her, and he ate it.

This relates directly to 1 John 2:16

For all that is in the world--the desires of the flesh, the desires of the
eyes, and the pride of life--is not from the Father but from the world.

 

[Cameron143]

I am always inclined to bring it back to the fact that Adam and Eve were of the natural world. Of Eve it is said:

When the woman saw that the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eyes, and that it was desirable for
obtaining wisdom, she took the fruit and ate it. She also gave some to her husband who was with her, and he ate it.

This relates directly to 1 John 2:16

For all that is in the world--the desires of the flesh, the desires of the
eyes, and the pride of life--is not from the Father but from the world.

My thoughts were along those lines but I would of had to look up verses so I deferred to a faulty hamster.

 

[Magenta]

My thoughts were along those lines but I would of had to look up verses so I deferred to a faulty hamster.

I look up verses and other things all the time .

I often know the verse I want, but not the citation.

I like Biblehub because they have the BSB .

 

[Cameron143]

I look up verses and other things all the time .

I often know the verse I want, but not the citation.

I like Biblehub because they have the BSB .

I like other people doing it for me.

 

[GRACE_ambassador]

Pardon the mid-western lingo, 😇 but this is getting Cornfusing:

First, we hear God's Eternal Salvation (aka 'osas') is "de-bunked"

Now, we hear one is "100% Sure" of Eternal Life? So, which is it?

Best is just to Always go by The Scriptures, Correct?:

God's OPERATION On all HIS New-born babes In Christ
+
God's Eternal Assurance

 

[brightfame52]

All for whom Christ died, which were Chosen in Him before the foundation of the World Eph 1:4

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Who also have redemption through His Blood with the forgiveness of sins Eph 1:7, they are and always have been Eternally Secured in Christ, Yes even before they become Believers, before they are even Called by the Gospel to Faith Jude 1:1

1 Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:

Before Called by the Gospel, they had been first preserved in Jesus Christ their Saviour, which preservation denotes their Eternal Security in Christ.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

4 He chose us in the Messiah before the foundation of the world, to be holy and blameless before Him in love.
5 He predestined us for adoption as sons through Messiah Yeshua, in keeping with the good pleasure of His will


This is what God did in the Beginning:
He created a Plan that for "ANYONE" who Believes : ^ this is what they get through the Messiah.

Only a moron would Reject God and give up ALL of what Verses 4 and 5 offer to us!

 

[mailmandan]

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well, nuts.


i have no argument with this decision but go on record saying i had nothing to do with it.

post never gives up hope

Runningman is now terrorizing the CARM forums with his heretical doctrines of works salvation and denying that Jesus is God and he relentlessly continues to attack Christians who disagree with him. He has learned absolutely nothing since he was banned from Christian Chat. Newbirth (who was also banned from Christian Chat) is his partner in crime on the CARM forums.

Jesus Christ is not your Lord - Christian Chat Rooms & Forums

 

[cv5]

Runningman is now terrorizing the CARM forums with his heretical doctrines of works salvation and denying that Jesus is God and he relentlessly continues to attack Christians who disagree with him. He has learned absolutely nothing since he was banned from Christian Chat. Newbirth (who was also banned from Christian Chat) is his partner in crime on CARM forums.

Jesus Christ is not your Lord - Christian Chat Rooms & Forums

Heretic criminal psychological profile? This will not end well for him.

 

[John146]

All for whom Christ died, which were Chosen in Him before the foundation of the World Eph 1:4

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Who also have redemption through His Blood with the forgiveness of sins Eph 1:7, they are and always have been Eternally Secured in Christ, Yes even before they become Believers, before they are even Called by the Gospel to Faith Jude 1:1

1 Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:

Before Called by the Gospel, they had been first preserved in Jesus Christ their Saviour, which preservation denotes their Eternal Security in Christ.

The word “according” takes us back to verse 3. Whatever it was in verse three is what God has chosen to give those in Christ from the foundation of the world. It is spiritual blessings in the heavenly places. That is what was determined from the beginning, that all blessings would come through Christ.

 

[BillG]

Runningman is now terrorizing the CARM forums with his heretical doctrines of works salvation and denying that Jesus is God and he relentlessly continues to attack Christians who disagree with him. He has learned absolutely nothing since he was banned from Christian Chat. Newbirth (who was also banned from Christian Chat) is his partner in crime on the CARM forums.

Jesus Christ is not your Lord - Christian Chat Rooms & Forums

Didn't know carms had a forum

 

[Fundaamental]

I fail to see how a person can be a terroist for believing Jesus is not the father

Or believing in some sort of works being important to salvation 🤔

Unless he's an extremist with plans to form a far left group of radicals, ready to use weapons for there cause lol.

If such a person was making people go this way I would say the congregation wouldn't be that high who would follow.
Radicalism is well known now amongst society

 

[mailmandan]

Didn't know carms had a forum

They certainly do.

CARM Forums

 

[brightfame52]

Eternally secured even as unbelievers !

Eternally secured even as unbelievers ! Whom am I speaking of ? Why it pertaineth to Gods Elect, men and women for whom Christ died. Now understand something which the scripture teaches, that all for whom Christ died [ the offering of Himself] by that He hath perfected them forever Heb 10:10-14

10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:

12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.

14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.


Who are the them that are sanctified ? Why its them He died for in Vs 10

Now this being perfected forever doeth entail the purging away of their sins and the guilt and punishment due ! The writer of Hebrews earlier wrote of those Christ died for these words Heb 1:3

3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

The word purged here the greek word katharismos and means:

cleansing, purifying, purification, literal, ceremonial, or moral; met: expiation.

a cleansing from the guilt of sins

Theres not one sin of theirs not satisfied for, hence they are perfected forever. Not even the sin of unbelief is held against them. How do we know this ? Its simple, because by His death they are reconciled to God even while being enemies/unbelievers ! Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Enemies and Unbelievers are the same. Remember what Jesus called the unbelieving jews here ? Lk 19:14

14 But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying, We will not have this man to reign over us.

Now if we understand the parable here its speaking about the jews, the nation of israel. Then later He says of them same ones, the citizens of that nation which would not have Him to reign over them these words Vs 27

27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.


They were enemies broken of in unbelief Rom 11:20,28

20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.

But if one is an enemy in unbelief deserving of being cut off, and yet Christ died for them, they are reconciled to God ! Not only that, they are perfected forever ! 1

 

[mailmandan]

Heretic criminal psychological profile? This will not end well for him.

I've been in conversations with both Runningman and Newbirth on the CARM forums and all they want to do is argue, argue, argue and accuse you of not being a child of God if you disagree with them. It's truly sad. I told them they need to find a better hobby.

 

[Sipsey]

Runningman is now terrorizing the CARM forums with his heretical doctrines of works salvation and denying that Jesus is God and he relentlessly continues to attack Christians who disagree with him. He has learned absolutely nothing since he was banned from Christian Chat. Newbirth (who was also banned from Christian Chat) is his partner in crime on the CARM forums.

Jesus Christ is not your Lord - Christian Chat Rooms & Forums

Sad, how one or two wasp’s can create turmoil in a small room of people.

 

[Fundaamental]

I find that quite often your lead into a trap until you say something you regret my self, and the person who had no bad intentions is then labelled the villain.

Quite often one individual will hound you and poke you untill you say something with out thinking.

But a person who has grown in the lord, should no better.

Hate only breeds hate

And condemnation only breeds the same


The amount of hypocrites on the web is outstanding