Where was Jesus for the three days between his death and resurrection?

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cv5

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posthuman said:
No big deal that you didn't realize i was addressing the persistent existence of living souls beyond physical death - - and i don't really want to get into arguments about whether the second death is annihilation or not, at this time. hope you and @cv5 can get rid of all bitterness between you; post loves you both deeply

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Thanks buddy. Nope no bitterness over here. Except for this coffee. Amazon delivering my preferred blend today.....:giggle:
 
Magenta

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Cameron143 said:
My point is, in one case it must mean one thing. In another something else.
Another equally sincere person could say we should let the Bible define itself. Thus, if it need be mean one thing in this case, it is defining how it is used in the other.
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The Bible does define itself, but one cannot ignore context, which modifies words for even the dullard.
To say it must mean the exact same thing in every case is not appropriate, or there could be no understanding
the Bible when it says such things as David was the apple of God's eye, or Jesus is a gate. The problem is
always that one defines it one way, and another, another way, and people make these allowances for them
selves but then refuse to acknowledge that others can and do and have the very same right to do the same.
Then you get people like N6 stomping around with his bellicose attitude accusing people of being in a cult
just about every time they express a view that differs from his, even though he makes up weird meanings
to suit himself... not to mention those who outright deny plain statements such as, God alone is immortal.
 
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Magenta said:
The Bible does define itself, but one cannot ignore context, which modifies words for even the dullard.
To say it must mean the exact same thing in every case is not appropriate, or there could be no understanding
the Bible when it says such things as David was the apple of God's eye, or Jesus is a gate. The problem is
always that one defines it one way, and another, another way, and people make these allowances for them
selves but then refuse to acknowledge that others can and do and have the very same right to do the same.
Then you get people like N6 stomping around with his bellicose attitude accusing people of being in a cult
just about every time they express a view that differs from his, even though he makes up weird meanings
to suit himself... not to mention those who outright deny plain statements such as, God alone is immortal.
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It's never my purpose to exonerate poor behavior. But because someone is offensive we are under no obligation to be offended. Repaying evil for evil has never produced a desired end. Loving someone just might.
I used to believe people were put into my life for me to have an influence upon. And this is sometimes the case. Other times, however, God places people in my life to influence me. That is, to reveal in me that which is lacking. And wow, the things that have been exposed.

We'll never look to correct things in us we don't realize are there. If our experiences with another seem like the irritation of having a pebble in your shoe, it's probably a safe bet God is revealing to us something He knows isn't right in us. Don't focus on the offense or the offender. Look at the beautiful face of Jesus.
 
Magenta

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It's never my purpose to exonerate poor behavior. But because someone is offensive we are under no obligation to be offended. Repaying evil for evil has never produced a desired end. Loving someone just might.
I used to believe people were put into my life for me to have an influence upon. And this is sometimes the case. Other times, however, God places people in my life to influence me. That is, to reveal in me that which is lacking. And wow, the things that have been exposed.

We'll never look to correct things in us we don't realize are there. If our experiences with another seem like the irritation of having a pebble in your shoe, it's probably a safe bet God is revealing to us something He knows isn't right in us. Don't focus on the offence or the offender. Look at the beautiful face of Jesus.
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Jesus rebuked those in the wrong. People can disagree without having the attitude some display, and it is
quite pleasant when we can discuss our various understandings and accept correction when needed. It
would be nice to think we are all learning and growing; change is often slow and sometimes not seen at all.

Your last sentence makes me smile every time I read it. You know, you are a rare bird, as is posth and Mem
and others who are wiser and kinder than I am by far... and it is not as if there is nothing I can appreciate in
and from those about whom I censure, for I am not blind to the strengths and knowledge of some in certain
areas. Others it is best I simply ignore them, with all their balyhooing and chest beating and cock-a-doodle-dooing.

Still, it remains that front to back, in a plethora of ways including explicitly stating what it means,
we are told that the wages of sin is death, and that the wicked are destroyed to the uttermost- they
are no more, they perish. Those many many many verses get thrown over for a very few verses in a
highly symbolic book written in a particular language style known as apocalyptic literature. To do
so they must also deny that God alone is immortal, and there is no avoiding the fact that means
that the soul of man is NOT. That should seal the deal but of course it does not, and what's worse
is those who refuse to accept what Scripture says in plain language make up nonsensical definitions
to justify their beliefs, including refusing to even so much as admit to the possibility that the parable
of Lazarus and the rich man is a parable, despite its placement within a slew of parables and told in
the exact same manner as a parable. They attach to that a rule that parables cannot name real people
and must be taken literally, which has become so entrenched in people's minds that they will claim you
do not believe the Bible if you say it is a parable and not to be taken literally, when no such rule exists
beyond the traditions of man, and we should know what Jesus thinks of them .:)
 
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so they must also deny that God alone is immortal, and there is no avoiding the fact that means
that the soul of man is NOT. That should seal the deal but of course it does not
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Your problem is that the Scriptures are quite compelling in their terms and imagery as regards the eternal condition of the unsaved dead and fallen spirit rebels.

Frankly, I don't like it anymore than you do. I would hope that God would mercifully end the existence of His rebels and enemies. Even the fallen angelic host. Just "terminate" them once and for all.

But the Bible DOES NOT teach that God "terminates" them once and for all. God's word goes to extraordinary lengths describing the contrary. Quite exhaustively. Comprehensively. In no uncertain terms.

Even the detailed process of judgement to ultimate condemnation appears convoluted and drawn out and complicated. You would think all of this unnecessary if a simple termination judgement was rendered.
 
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Magenta said:
They attach to that a rule that parables cannot name real people
and must be taken literally, which has become so entrenched in people's minds that they will claim you
do not believe the Bible if you say it is a parable and not to be taken literally, when no such rule exists
beyond the traditions of man,
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It brings to mind imposing rules into the middle of the game when you find yourself on the losing side while playing kickball as a kid.
 
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Mem said:
It brings to mind imposing rules into the middle of the game when you find yourself on the losing side while playing kickball as a kid.
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The first time someone told me I did not believe the Bible because I rejected their made-up rule, I was darn
near flabbergasted. I mean, do these people stop at nothing, to try to convince you they are right? No such
rule exists in the Bible, for crying out loud..:LOL:. So not believing it does not equate to not believing the Bible.
 
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Magenta said:
The first time someone told me I did not believe the Bible because I rejected their made-up rule, I was darn
near flabbergasted. I mean, do these people stop at nothing, to try to convince you they are right? No such
rule exists in the Bible, for crying out loud..:LOL:. So not believing it does not equate to not believing the Bible.
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Some will send you straight to hell if they could.:eek: How many do overs do we get again?:oops: lol ...
No! It's the lake of fire for you! o_O
 
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At one point in Jonah's nautical adventure, he was in a place called sheol;
which he located at the bottoms of the mountains. (Jonah 2:2 & Jonah 2:6)

According to Ps 16:10 & Acts 2:25-31; Jesus spent some time at the
bottoms of the mountains too.

Was his arrival a surprise visit? Well; I rather suspect that a huge welcome
was all set and waiting for Jesus like a Trump rally that included not only
Christ's father David, but also every inspired person who ever lived, e.g.
Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Joshua, Gideon, Deborah,
Samuel, Solomon, and all the prophets. And along with the luminaries, many
thousands of ordinary folk. What a commotion that must've been!
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Magenta said:
I wonder if they slowed the sound down. At 1.25 it sounded normal, but even @ 1.5 it wasn't overly speedy LOL

I've lstened to about half of it now...
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Here's another video where Brother Kel, with his unique styling, points out an obvious problem.

(15:09) "Do you think that’s what God does? He keeps people alive and will call it death, even though they’re alive and being tormented? And will call that death? That’s what death is? Really? Death is being kept alive in a prison of fire for eternity?"

 
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posthuman said:
i am not so sure that other parables do not illustrate real people and real events - kinda suspect they do, so whether we call this a parable or not ((with all the connotation that word brings)) doesn't seem to me to be quite so material to how we understand it.

the main issue i take with dismissing the worldview clearly presented in Luke 16 is that Christ does not use lies in order to teach truth.
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Were you ever a tare? .:unsure:
 
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Magenta said:
You were not a child a wrath in need of saving? .:unsure:
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I was as the children of wrath. But tares don't become wheat and goats don't become sheep. Jesus just seeks and saves the lost sheep. He doesn't turn goats into sheep.
 
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