Where was Jesus for the three days between his death and resurrection?

[Magenta]

I believe eternal and everlasting are used differently than you. So I believe those who aren't saved will suffer eternal torment. Scripturally this isn't difficult to defend if one believes the terms eternal and everlasting mean as you first stated.
Another reason I believe this way is because God Himself is eternal. And eternal beings give eternal things. So just as the reward for believing is eternal, so is the outcome of not believing.
I realize this is not your understanding and I respect that.

If it is easy to defend you should be able to produce a verse that explicitly says so. Not about the smoke
of their torment, either. Eternal punishment... people turn it into eternal punishing. They twist the meanings
of words until they are unrecognizable, like N6 saying sleep is a metaphor for watchful wakeful awareness.

From front to back, the Bible gives death as the wages of sin. NOT eternal conscious torment.

 

[Magenta]

Another reason I believe this way is because God Himself is eternal. And eternal beings give
eternal things. So just as the reward for believing is eternal, so is the outcome of not believing.

Heaven and earth shall pass away. God says He is making all things new.

Isaiah 51:6

 

[Cameron143]

If it is easy to defend you should be able to produce a verse that explicitly says so. Not about the smoke
of their torment, either. Eternal punishment... people turn it into eternal punishing. They twist the meanings
of words until they are unrecognizable, like N6 saying sleep is a metaphor for watchful wakeful awareness.

From front to back, the Bible gives death as the wages of sin. NOT eternal conscious torment.

I believe the metaphor of sleep for physical or bodily death is accurate. And if you disallow verses because you disagree with what the other person is saying, you tend to limit the scriptures.
I believe that when Jesus says the worm dieth not, it is referring to eternal punishment. I also believe the story of the deaths of Lazarus and the rich man does as well.

 

[Cameron143]

Heaven and earth shall pass away. God says He is making all things new.

Isaiah 51:6

He is. But making something new doesn't mean you get rid of the old. You just transform it.

 

[Magenta]

He is. But making something new doesn't mean you get rid of the old. You just transform it.

Heaven and earth do not pass away in your view?

 

[Cameron143]

Heaven and earth do not pass away in your view?

They do in the sense that they are transformed and made new. Just like you and I. God didn't destroy us but all things become new...2 Corinthians 5:17

 

[Magenta]

I believe the metaphor of sleep for physical or bodily death is accurate. And if you disallow verses because you disagree with what the other person is saying, you tend to limit the scriptures.
I believe that when Jesus says the worm dieth not, it is referring to eternal punishment. I also believe the story of the deaths of Lazarus and the rich man does as well.

If it is easy to defend, there should be a verse that explicitly says so. That necessarily excludes those verse which do not explicitly say so. I am not limiting God's Word. What I find is that many think they can, though, by shamelessly twisting the meaning of words, while at the same time not allowing for the range of meanings acceptable within their proper contexts. Jesus was talking about the garbage dump in the Valley of Hinnom or Gehenna, where corpses were dumped to rot, and be eaten by worms. Gehinnom became associated with divine punishment in Jewish Apocalyptic writings as the destination of the wicked, and is different from Sheol, the abode of the dead, though the KJV translates both with the Anglo-Saxon word hell.

 

[Magenta]

They do in the sense that they are transformed and made new. Just like you and I. God didn't destroy us but all things become new...2 Corinthians 5:17

The wicked are said to be destroyed to the uttermost. I realize people think it somehow brings glory
to God to have Him torment them forever after, and to have Him do the very thing He found reprehensible
for people to do, an abomination. And somehow it strikes them not as odd (to say the least) that God has
reversed His position on mankind lasting forever in his sinful state, for, if you recall, Adam and Eve were
ejected from the Garden of Eden specifically so they could not eat of the ToL and live forever, after they sinned.

 

[Cameron143]

If it is easy to defend, there should be a verse that explicitly says so. That necessarily excludes those verse which do not explicitly say so. I am not limiting God's Word. What I find is that many think they can, though, by shamelessly twisting the meaning of words, while at the same time not allowing for the range of meanings acceptable within their proper contexts. Jesus was talking about the garbage dump in the Valley of Hinnom or Gehenna, where corpses were dumped to rot, and be eaten by worms. Gehinnom became associated with divine punishment in Jewish Apocalyptic writings as the destination of the wicked, and is different from Sheol, the abode of the dead, though the KJV translates both with the Anglo-Saxon word hell.

That's one take on what it means. The fact that there are others just means there is a long way to go before unity of the faith comes about.
What seems more than apparent to one is seen by another as pointing in another direction. Until God reveals all things I imagine this to be the case.

 

[Cameron143]

The wicked are said to be destroyed to the uttermost. I realize people think it somehow brings glory
to God to have Him torment them forever after, and to have Him do the very thing He found reprehensible
for people to do, an abomination. And somehow it strikes them not as odd to say the least that God has
reversed His position on mankind lasting forever in his sinful state, for, if you recall, Adam and Eve were
ejected from the Garden of Eden specifically so they could not eat of the ToL and live forever, after they sinned.

What is the uttermost to an eternal being? Completely obliterated or continuing punishment?

 

[Magenta]

That's one take on what it means. The fact that there are others just means there is a long way to go before unity of the faith comes about.
What seems more than apparent to one is seen by another as pointing in another direction. Until God reveals all things I imagine this to be the case.

Someone recently told me the worm was consciousness. There is no accounting for what people say
think and believe, as I said earlier... as nothing in Scripture points to the worm being consciousness.
As to the parable of the rich man and Lazarus: many deny it being a parable, despite it being told within
the context of a whole slew of parables, and also being told that Jesus only taught in parables. Then
people make up some rule that becomes a man-made tradition and claim you are not believing the
Bible if you think it is a parable because no other parable names real people in it. Like I said: there
is no accounting. Not in the here and now. Later, there will be. Every word will have to be accounted for.

 

[Magenta]

What is the uttermost to an eternal being? Completely obliterated or continuing punishment?

Apollumi: Strongs Concordance # 622

 

[Magenta]

God didn't destroy us but all things become new...2 Corinthians 5:17

2 Corinthians 5:17 applies only to the believer. The unbelieving/wicked
are said to be destroyed, and no longer exist. Explicitly. They perish.

From 2 Corinthians 5:17 and Romans 6:13

 

[Cameron143]

Someone recently told me the worm was consciousness. There is no accounting for what people say
think and believe, as I said earlier... as nothing in Scripture points to the worm being consciousness.
As to the parable of the rich man and Lazarus: many deny it being a parable, despite it being told within
the context of a whole slew of parables, and also being told that Jesus only taught in parables. Then
people make up some rule that becomes a man-made tradition and claim you are not believing the
Bible if you think it is a parable because no other parable names real people in it. Like I said: there
is no accounting. Not in the here and now. Later, there will be. Every word will have to be accounted for.

I doubt they meant the worm itself but that the fact that it didn't die meant there was something still there to feed upon, meaning the punishment was ongoing.
And it matters little whether a story in the bible is real or a parable. It is the intended teaching that is important.

 

[Magenta]

I doubt they meant the worm itself but that the fact that it didn't die meant there was something still there to feed upon, meaning the punishment was ongoing.
And it matters little whether a story in the bible is real or a parable. It is the intended teaching that is important.

The teaching being to choose life and not death, and that life is found in God alone.

To reject God is to choose death.

 

[Cameron143]

2 Corinthians 5:17 applies only to the believer. The unbelieving/wicked
are said to be destroyed, and no longer exist. Explicitly. They perish.

From 2 Corinthians 5:17 and Romans 6:13

We'll have to agree to disagree about the eternal outcome of souls.
And the creation began groaning the same time as man. So it could be that it will be restored even as man.

 

[Cameron143]

The teaching being to choose life and not death, and that life is found in God alone.

To reject God is to choose death.

Death awaits all men. And there is no reason to choose death. We are born already under the wrath of God.

 

[Magenta]

Death awaits all men. And there is no reason to choose death. We are born already under the wrath of God.

Not the second death. It awaits only those who reject God. The second death is their end.

 

[Magenta]

What is the uttermost to an eternal being? Completely obliterated or continuing punishment?

People talk about what God experiences in eternity as if they know what an infinite Being experiences. Well, let's humour that perspective a little. In God's timetable, everything has already happened, and is always happening, even those things which have not yet happened this side of etenity (such as those who have yet to be born etc). So from that perspective I could see that the wicked are tormented forever, even if within their own perspective their torment lasts much shorter... until their destruction is completed to the uttermost.

 

[VARob]

Death awaits all men.

..except for those who are alive at the rapture:
1 Thes 4:
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

And there is no reason to choose death. We are born already under the wrath of God.

We are born in need of salvation. For those who are saved:
1 Thes 1:10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.
1 Thes 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ.