Where was Jesus for the three days between his death and resurrection?

[HeIsHere]

I'm sorry. I assumed you did know what a figure of speech is.

A figure of speech is a literary tool to express a truth in a more interesting way.

 

[VARob]

The atheist exactly what you do: that physical death is cessation of existence.

embrace it.

Atheists are correct on this. When a person dies, the person is dead.

What atheists do not believe is in a God who will raise the dead.

What was satan's first lie in the Bible? "Ye shall not surely die."

He has convinced almost the whole Christian church of his lie. People blythly believe it.

 

[HopeinHim98]

Atheists are correct on this. When a person dies, the person is dead.

What atheists do not believe is in a God who will raise the dead.

What was satan's first lie in the Bible? "Ye shall not surely die."

He has convinced almost the whole Christian church of his lie. People blythly believe it.

I don't think it's a "blithe" belief. In fact, annihilation is much more tempting to believe. Who wants to believe some of their loved ones may suffer for eternity? It just comes down to honesty with the scriptures why I can't believe it.

 

[VARob]

Would you have an open mind?

I know for myself there are some places I have an open mind and others where the topic settled, you seem like this is a settled doctrine for you but if you think you will consider I will explain.

It absolutely is, but I'm still curious about what you think Paul's thesis in 1 Cor 15, and how I quoted the verses out of context.

 

[jb]

I’m assuming he was saving the captives. The righteous who had died before him that were in Abraham’s bosom. Also I read a verse that says he may have gone to Hades to proclaim to the spirits that rejected his name in the days of Noah. Anyone have any insight on this?

I did a blog on this, you can find it Here

 

[HeIsHere]

It absolutely is, but I'm still curious about what you think Paul's thesis in 1 Cor 15, and how I quoted the verses out of context.

Okay I will get to your question later, how can it be settled when none of the words mean non_exist?

Seems to me like you are laying on a different meaning to words to make it fit a doctrine, instead of letting the text speak for itself according the actual meanings of the words.

 

[Magenta]

Proverbs 10:25~ When the whirlwind passes, the wicked is no more, but the righteous has an everlasting foundation.

 

[VARob]

I don't think it's a "blithe" belief. In fact, annihilation is much more tempting to believe. Who wants to believe some of their loved ones may suffer for eternity? It just comes down to honesty with the scriptures why I can't believe it.

If a person is honest with the scriptures, all of them, not just taking the parable in Luke 16:19ff as a true story, or Jesus' misunderstood statement to the thief on the cross, but taking into account all the OT scriptures that dalk about death, "cut off," sheol, the pit, etc, he'll have a true understanding of what death is.

Why do you think God forbade necromancy, mediums, and other practices where people think they can seek advice from the dead or talk to their dear departed grandma? The devil is responsible for ALL that stuff. Both God and the devil know how gullible people are.

 

[VARob]

Okay I will get to your question later, how can it be settled when none of the words mean non_exist?

Seems to me like you are laying on a different meaning to words to make it fit a doctrine, instead of letting the text speak for itself according the actual meanings of the words.

I understand the definition of death. It means not alive. Simple.

 

[Franc254]

While I appreciate your thoughts on this subject and the effort that you've put into studying the Word... but I think that we'll have to agree to disagree, for now.

I am not seeing that any of this "expressly/precisely" places Jesus in Tartarus (the place of the wicked). And so, I remain
unconvinced that He ever did so.

I do believe that Jesus went to "Believer's side of Abraham's Bosam/Shaol/Hades"... but am not willing to accept the idea that He went to the "other side".

No Jesus did not only go to the believers side....Luke 19:9-10 9 Jesus said to him, “Today salvation has come to this house, because this man, too, is a son of Abraham. 10 For the Son of Man came to seek and to save the lost....The lost were not the ones who were only living in his time or in the future but also those who lived before him

While I appreciate your thoughts on this subject and the effort that you've put into studying the Word... but I think that we'll have to agree to disagree, for now.

I am not seeing that any of this "expressly/precisely" places Jesus in Tartarus (the place of the wicked). And so, I remain
unconvinced that He ever did so.

I do believe that Jesus went to "Believer's side of Abraham's Bosam/Shaol/Hades"... but am not willing to accept the idea that He went to the "other side".

I don't think Jesus went only to the good side as you say.....let's see what the Bible says

Luke 19:10 The son of man came to save that which is lost ....bow the ones who are lost are not only the ones who were living at the time but also the future and the past ....now if those who had died accepted him they would be saved...
Romans 3:23-26 For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. 25 God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement,[i] through the shedding of his blood—to be received by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished— 26 he did it to demonstrate his righteousness at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus...He did not punish the past sinners but waited just the right time to save them

 

[Magenta]

That is a vastly more tenable position.

Has anyone denied the resurrection of all at the end of this age? That is when the final judgment takes place.

What I do see people denying is straightforward Scriptures such as, God alone is immortal.

 

[HopeinHim98]

If a person is honest with the scriptures, all of them, not just taking the parable in Luke 16:19ff as a true story, or Jesus' misunderstood statement to the thief on the cross, but taking into account all the OT scriptures that dalk about death, "cut off," sheol, the pit, etc, he'll have a true understanding of what death is.

Why do you think God forbade necromancy, mediums, and other practices where people think they can seek advice from the dead or talk to their dear departed grandma? The devil is responsible for ALL that stuff. Both God and the devil know how gullible people are.

My guess is that He doesn't want people delving into a realm they're not supposed to... I know some people think that when Saul went to the witch it wasn't really Samuel he talked to. But when I studied it I noticed it calls him Samuel and it doesn't really hint it wasn't him? I'm not sure.

 

[VARob]

I don't think it's a "blithe" belief.

Thanks for pointing out my typo. I hate it when I do that...

 

[HopeinHim98]

Thanks for pointing out my typo. I hate it when I do that...

No biggie. I wasn't trying to accentuate it when I put it in quotations.

 

[VARob]

My guess is that He doesn't want people delving into a realm they're not supposed to... I know some people think that when Saul went to the witch it wasn't really Samuel he talked to. But when I studied it I noticed it calls him Samuel and it doesn't really hint it wasn't him? I'm not sure.

For crying out loud... The woman had a devil spirit. God had STOPPED talking to Saul.

1 Sam 28:6 And when Saul enquired of the LORD, the LORD answered him not, neither by dreams, nor by Urim, nor by prophets.

Even if Samuel COULD have "come up from below," he would not have disobeyed God.

 

[John146]

Not true, paradise is in the 3rd heaven btw if you want to quash Trinitarians theology, this is the verse....below the earth was a place of death and gloom not paradise

Paradise was translated to the third heaven by the Lord after his resurrection.

 

[cv5]

Has anyone denied the resurrection of all at the end of this age? That is when the final judgment takes place.

What I do see people denying is straightforward Scriptures such as, God alone is immortal.

You just cannot dismiss the intentional juxtaposition........can you?

Mat 25:46
And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: G2851 but the righteous into life eternal.

G2851 - kolasis - Strong's Greek Lexicon (kjv) (blueletterbible.org)
Outline of Biblical Usage

1. correction, punishment, penalty

κόλασις kólasis, kol'-as-is; from G2849; penal infliction:—punishment, torment.

 

[John146]

For crying out loud... The woman had a devil spirit. God had STOPPED talking to Saul.

1 Sam 28:6 And when Saul enquired of the LORD, the LORD answered him not, neither by dreams, nor by Urim, nor by prophets.

Even if Samuel COULD have "come up from below," he would not have disobeyed God.

Scripture states it was Samuel. Is scripture lying?

 

[Magenta]

You just cannot dismiss the intentional juxtaposition........can you?

Mat 25:46
And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: G2851 but the righteous into life eternal.

G2851 - kolasis - Strong's Greek Lexicon (kjv) (blueletterbible.org)
Outline of Biblical Usage

1. correction, punishment, penalty

κόλασις kólasis, kol'-as-is; from G2849; penal infliction:—punishment, torment.

Death is given as the wages of sin from the beginning of Scriptures in Genesis to the very end... over and over
and over again, in a plethora of ways. Yes, the second death is everlasting. There is no coming back from it.

You keep dismissing that God alone is immortal. Why???

And will you say death is not punishment, also?

Death is nothing to fear?

Both fly in the face of plain Scripture truths.

 

[VARob]

Scripture states it was Samuel. Is scripture lying?

God expects you to understand what the scriptures are saying.

The devil is extremely good at impersonating dead people. That's why they're called familiar spirits.