Where was Jesus for the three days between his death and resurrection?

[Magenta]

From 1 Corinthians 15:50-54

 

[VARob]

The translators certainly did a great disservice by using "hell", "the grave" and "the pit" for Sheol/Hades. I am committed 100% to the KJV but there are definitely improvements which are needed. For example they failed to capitalize "Spirit" with reference to God the Holy Spirit many times, and they also failed to capitalize "Word" with reference to Christ many times.

...except where it's wrong?

 

[ResidentAlien]

I have thought about that verse but I think you have to consider that it is in Ecclesiastes, a book of poetry, and look at the context. When I look at the many of the other passages that deal with the state of the dead I can't come away with soul sleep if I honestly look at them.

Ecclesiastes is wisdom not poetry.

 

[cv5]

When you die, you aren't really dead. You continue to live because your spirit/soul is "immortal."

Luk 12:5
But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.

Rev 6:9
And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
Rev 6:10
And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
Rev 6:11
And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

I would offer these verses to @Magenta as well.

This annihilationism theory doesn't hold water.

 

[tourist]

that's exactly what He did, preached the gospel in the underworld.

... should give Evangelicals pause for thought that

Yeah, Jesus preached to the spirits that were in prison.

 

[VARob]

Luk 12:5
But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.

Everyone will be resurrected and stand in judgment. The unsaved will be thrown into the lake of fire, where they will die the second death and be gone forever.

Rev 6:9
And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
Rev 6:10
And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
Rev 6:11
And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

What are bodyless souls going to do with robes? Rev 6:9-11 was a vision given to John, the point being that it will be awhile before those who died for their faith will be vindicated.

I would offer these verses to @Magenta as well.

This annihilationism theory doesn't hold water.

You have a habit of declaring things that YOU do not believe as impossible, as not plausible, as not holding water. Annihilationism is the truth. Death is death, not a "separation," unless you mean a separation from life. Dead things are not alive things. The wages of sin is death. The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

 

[FlyingDove]

The spirits in prison were in Sheol/Hades, not in Hell (the Lake of Fire). Hell is presently unoccupied. The evil angels occupy the atmosphere while the demonic spirits occupy the bottomless pit. Satan is free to roam on the earth for a season.

There were three groups of spirits in the lower parts of the earth: (1) the righteous dead (Hades), (2) the unrighteous dead (Hades), and (3) the angels which kept not their first estate (Tartarus). All the spirits heard Christ proclaim His victory over sin, death, Satan, Hades, and Hell. "He went and preached to the spirits in prison" can be stated as "He went and proclaimed to the spirits in prison". Then "He led captivity captive".

The righteous dead needed to hear this and rejoice, since shortly they would all be taken to Heaven as a result of the finished work of Christ. Jesus said "Thou wilt not leave my soul in Sheol/Hades" because He knew -- without the shadow of a doubt -- that He would rise from the dead after three days and three nights. Jonah pre-figured Christ in this, so His resurrection was "the sign of the prophet Jonah".

Sheol (Hebrew) Hades (Greek) Hell (English) this is a spirit place. Not the grave where the body decays.

Bible dictionary's & links provided

Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words: Hell

(1) For the rendering "hell" as a translation of hades, corresponding to Sheol, wrongly rendered "the grave" and "hell," See HADES.

(2) The verb tartaroo, translated "cast down to hell" in 2 Peter 2:4, signifies to consign to Tartarus, which is neither Sheol nor hades nor hell, but the place where those angels whose special sin is referred to in that passage are confined "to be reserved unto judgment;" the region is described as "pits of darkness," RV.
https://studybible.info/vines/Hell

KJV Dictionary Definition: HELL, n.

2. The place of the dead, or of souls after death; the lower regions, or the grave; called in Hebrew, sheol, and by the Greeks, hades. Ps. 16. Jon.2.
https://av1611.com/kjbp/kjv-dictionary/hell.html

 

[HopeinHim98]

Ecclesiastes is wisdom not poetry.

Yeah I know it is wisdom. I usually lump Job through Song of Solomon into the "books of poetry" category. My point is that it's not so much a book to get doctrine from and there may be more figurative language there, and I'd venture to say exaggeration? Correct me if I'm wrong. I do believe it's inspired of course.

 

[cv5]

Annihilationism is the truth.

I think not.....
Please inform @Magenta if you don't mind.

1Th 5:23
And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit g4151 and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

1Co 5:5
To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit g4151 may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

1Jo 4:2
Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit g4151 that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
1Jo 4:3
And every spirit g4151 that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.


Gal 6:18
Brethren, the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit. Amen.

Phl 1:19
For I know that this shall turn to my salvation through your prayer, and the supply of the Spirit of Jesus Christ,

Phl 3:3
For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.

2Ti 4:22
The Lord Jesus Christ be with thy spirit. Grace be with you. Amen.

Phm 1:25
The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit. Amen.

 

[Magenta]

Luk 12:5
But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.

Rev 6:9
And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
Rev 6:10
And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
Rev 6:11
And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

I would offer these verses to @Magenta as well.

This annihilationism theory doesn't hold water.

Those verses do not even address what you claim .

It would also be nice if you simply believed straightforward statements such as: God alone is immortal.

But you do not.

 

[HopeinHim98]

Everyone will be resurrected and stand in judgment. The unsaved will be thrown into the lake of fire, where they will die the second death and be gone forever.


What are bodyless souls going to do with robes? Rev 6:9-11 was a vision given to John, the point being that it will be awhile before those who died for their faith will be vindicated.


You have a habit of declaring things that YOU do not believe as impossible, as not plausible, as not holding water. Annihilationism is the truth. Death is death, not a "separation," unless you mean a separation from life. Dead things are not alive things. The wages of sin is death. The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

Someone shared this point with me that sealed the deal against annihilationism for me. Rev. 20:10: "And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever." The beast and the false prophet were there for a thousand years already (Rev. 19:20) and weren't annihilated. Is their end worse than the devil's that they had to suffer for a millenium and then the devil just gets burnt up?

 

[cv5]

It would also be nice if you simply believed straightforward statements such as: God alone is immortal.

You are a one trick pony as far as annihilationism is concerned.

Anyhoo......you have now benefited from an avalanche of verses and passages that nobody can dispute. Time to make the switch?

 

[cv5]

Someone shared this point with me that sealed the deal against annihilationism for me. Rev. 20:10: "And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever." The beast and the false prophet were there for a thousand years already (Rev. 19:20) and weren't annihilated. Is their end worse than the devil's that they had to suffer for a millenium and then the devil just gets burnt up?

Yes. This has been posted many times. And dismissed as merely "symbolic language" by the annihilationists. Which of course is ridiculous.

 

[Magenta]

You are a one trick pony as far as annihilationism is concerned.

Anyhoo......you have now benefited from an avalanche of verses and passages that nobody can dispute. Time to make the switch?

I have posted a plethora of verses which you conveniently ignore and pretend do not exist
and have never before been gazed upon by you ... which speak of the destruction of the ungodly,
how the wicked perish and are no more. LOL @ nobody can dispute what you offer, when you deny,
oppose, and contradict what Scripture explicitly states in unequivocal language. Life ever after is
attained solely by grace through faith in the shed righteous blood of Jesus Christ. I ain't switching.

 

[HopeinHim98]

Yes. This has been posted many times. And dismissed as merely "symbolic language" by the annihilationists. Which of course is ridiculous.

I have known many people, Adventists in particular, that believe in annihilationism and have heard probably all their explanations. I came pretty close to believing it but couldn't get past certain passages. I had never noticed the one I quoted until someone recently pointed it out to me.

 

[cv5]

which speak of the destruction of the ungodly,
how the wicked perish and are no more.

I am perfectly well aware of those passages. And as we have earlier discussed, the Greek terms need to be rightly understood.

https://christianchat.com/threads/hell-sheol-hades.206073/post-5024485

This post has already been brought to your attention. Several times. Perhaps reviewing it (again) would help clear the fog?

 

[cv5]

Adventists in particular

Blind leading the blind. Glad you found the exits. Good for you.

 

[VARob]

Annihilationism is the truth.

I think not.....

Yes, I can see that. One day you'll think differently.

 

[cv5]

Yes, I can see that. One day you'll think differently.

So Charles Manson dies in prison after earthly judgement, then is resurrected only to be judged again, and then is simply executed. And suffers the same degree of punishment as Mother Theresa? And Stalin suffers the same penalty as Mahatma Ghandhi?

Not a chance. As the saints obtain to greater rewards, so the condemned to greater punishment.
Furthermore, the mere punishment of execution has and will NEVER act as a deterrent to grievous sin.
In fact, merely dying is the EXCUSE/EXIT STRATEGY that sinners lean on as a mean to ESCAPE judgement.

Mat 25:46
And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Rev 20:11
And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

Rev 20:12
And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Rev 20:13
And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

 

[cv5]

Yes, I can see that. One day you'll think differently.

Oh I think that this now should be MORE than sufficient to silence the detractors....yes?

"So Charles Manson dies in prison after earthly judgement, then is resurrected only to be judged again, and then is simply executed. And suffers the same degree of punishment as Mother Theresa? And Stalin suffers the same penalty as Mahatma Ghandhi? Not a chance."

Rev 20:13
And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

G4054 - perissoteron - Strong's Greek Lexicon (kjv) (blueletterbible.org)
Outline of Biblical Usage

1. exceeding some number or measure or rank or need
   1. over and above, more than is necessary, superadded
      1. exceeding abundantly, supremely
      2. something further, more, much more than all, more plainly
   2. superior, extraordinary, surpassing, uncommon
      1. pre-eminence, superiority, advantage, more eminent, more remarkable, more excellent

Luk 20:47
Which devour widows' houses, and for a shew make long prayers: the same shall receive greater G4054 damnation.

Mat 23:14
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.

Mar 12:40
Which devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayers: these shall receive greater damnation.